Tucker Carlson Absolutely Destroys DNC Advisor On TRANS Science

originally posted by: Freija
In bed this morning, as my eyes cracked open to realize the sun was shining and it was probably time to get up, I rolled over and hit this site on my phone as I often do as the vacuum tubes of thought process warm up to normal operating temperature.

Us West Coasters

So, I tried to take a different approach.

Sometimes emotionally, invested, activists can be too close to the subject to be objective - - which is where I put Petkanas.

I don't blame Tucker - - his opponent just wasn't qualified to debate the science questions.

There are knowledgeable people I would have liked to have been in that spot instead.

But, Tucker did not slam Transgenders the way some posters in this thread are doing.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

What an ignorant post. People with psychosis are in mental hospitals because mental health professionals put them there. Mental health professionals say that people with gender dysphoria are not psychopaths, that's why they don't put them in mental hospitals.

What's ignorant is allowing people to change their gender on a whim. As Tucker Carlson pointed out, where does it end? Can I just all of a sudden start saying I identify as a women and just start going into womens restrooms for a free peep show? Hell, I could be a child molester that hasn't been caught yet, change my gender and start going into public restrooms for easy targets. The left has gone full retard I swear.

It's not on whim. Years of counseling and a team of professionals to work with you.

Lesbians can go into women's rooms for a free peep show - where is your outrage?
If anyone goes into a restroom and acts inappropriately by peeping into your stall or sneaking video or photos of you while in your stall, that won't be tolerated - it's always been that way, nothing changes that.

I believe 19 states and many cities have already passed anti-discrimination laws protecting transgender people's right to use public facilities that match their gender. Some of those laws have been in place for many years. No one has any proof that there has been an increase of child molestation as a result. The right has gone full retard I swear.

originally posted by: Freija
In bed this morning, as my eyes cracked open to realize the sun was shining and it was probably time to get up, I rolled over and hit this site on my phone as I often do as the vacuum tubes of thought process warm up to normal operating temperature.

For the last several days, I've been involved in two other antagonistic threads talking about trans issues and wanted to see if there were new posts and then I found and read this one. Oh boy!

Kaylaluv and Gryphon are both spot on. I was warmed by a few comments from others as well but overall, I felt an overwhelming sense of sadness at the preponderance of uninformed ignorance of what being trans is like and at some of the attitudes from people based on falsehoods and misconceptions. I had a sense of dread at once again feeling an obligation to get involved when it seems there is so much negativity and even hostility expressed by those gripped by fear and ignorance of those different from themselves.

Nothing I've ever written here or probably ever will can convey to people the experience of being trans and living with gender dysphoria. What it is like being that five year old kid trying to tell their parents. What it is like going through elementary school bewildered by the torment, abuse and ridicule of others. What it is like at puberty as the very vessel that houses your spirit and soul turns against you in what feels like the most gruesome torture. What it is like in high school to be shunned, ostracized and beaten nearly to death and hospitalized by others that didn't understand and what it is like to go through the challenges and physical process of changing social gender and physical sex. None of this was of my choosing but yet a fight I fought in order to survive.

After reading this thread, I rolled back over and sobbed quietly. As the tears filled my eyes and rolled down my cheeks, I questioned seriously why I continue to even come to this site and face these opinions and attitudes that seem like something out of my past fifty years ago. Ignorance and misguided opinions are hurtful and depressing and seem to be expressed with total disregard for people like me.

It gets very hard to be here sometimes. Please consider the things you say about issues you don't fully comprehend and the way you say them. It doesn't make for an environment conducive to learning from those that do know what they're talking about or help others live up to this site's motto to deny ignorance.

What's funny is that I'm sure many of you are good and loving people that would do a complete turnaround if you had to deal with raising a transgender child. I suspect know some would lose their child to the streets or suicide. It's all very sad.

I think both sides of this are in denial. Are there TG who are victimized? I would say yes. But your solution of opening up half of the population to being victims doesn't seem
Like the best solution.

Both sides are failing to admit there are real victims on both sides and dismissing the others claim.

I don't know what the answer is but to assume that there won't be female victims is a real lack of reality of how prevelant sexual abuse against women really is.

And I don't necessarily think that those who worry are biased or don't care about the TG community, just like I wouldn't assume the TG community doesn't care about abuse against women. Maybe less heel digging and objective thinking on both ends would help present a realistic solution.

originally posted by: pyramid head


And I don't necessarily think that those who worry are biased or don't care about the TG community

Are you sure about that? Don't you think it's ironic that states who have fought anti-discrimination laws protecting the transgender population are primarily the conservative states (who also fought marriage equality, by the way)?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: pyramid head


And I don't necessarily think that those who worry are biased or don't care about the TG community

Are you sure about that? Don't you think it's ironic that states who have fought anti-discrimination laws protecting the transgender population are primarily the conservative states (who also fought marriage equality, by the way)?

Two different issues and very different reseaons for opposition. your making a generalization about a group of people without examining their actual reasons.

Which is exactly what I was discussing. Be objective for a minute.

a reply to: pyramid head

Objectively speaking, the more liberal states allowed same sex marriage; the more conservative states did not. The more liberal states passed anti-discrimination laws protecting transgender people's rights to use the public facilities according to their gender identity; the more conservative states did not. These are facts.

The conservative states also expressed fears that if we allowed same sex marriage, we would also have to allow brothers and sisters marrying each other, or adults marrying children or people marrying their toasters.

So many "fears". If the fears are so real, why are the liberal states not afraid? Where are the stats that prove the liberal states have so much more rapes and child molestations in public facilities due to these non-discrimination laws? Where are the brothers and sister marriages; where are the marriages between adults and children?

Come on. Don't be dense. We all know what's really going on here.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Objectively speaking, the more liberal states allowed same sex marriage; the more conservative states did not. The more liberal states passed anti-discrimination laws protecting transgender people's rights to use the public facilities according to their gender identity; the more conservative states did not. These are facts.

The conservative states also expressed fears that if we allowed same sex marriage, we would also have to allow brothers and sisters marrying each other, or adults marrying children or people marrying their toasters.

So many "fears". If the fears are so real, why are the liberal states not afraid? Where are the stats that prove the liberal states have so much more rapes and child molestations in public facilities due to these non-discrimination laws? Where are the brothers and sister marriages; where are the marriages between adults and children?

Come on. Don't be dense. We all know what's really going on here.

I don't really want to get into this too much as it will be derailing the thread.

The marriage issue was largely on religious grounds, I would expect larger religious communities to have objections. It's irrelevant to this issue.

I didn't site rape stats for a specific reason, they largely go unreported and are therefore inaccurate one way or the other.

Your ignoring the reality of peoples concern. Being a logical person, I can look at the pics you and freya posted and say " i can see how that would be a problem and concern for this group of people".

But when an opposing views concern is brought up, rather than at least acknowledging it, you deny it exist.

a reply to: pyramid head

Yeah, religious grounds as in trying to create a theocracy, ruling over everyone's marriage rights. These are the same states, by the way that fought interracial marriage as well. Still religious grounds?

At some point, we are just going to have to face the facts that these uber conservative states just don't like things that rock their status quo. They want to live in the 1950's, where women and blacks knew their place, gay people were hidden, and no one even knew what a transgender person was. Make America Great Again!

And I'm a native Texan, so I know whereof I speak.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Yeah, religious grounds as in trying to create a theocracy, ruling over everyone's marriage rights. These are the same states, by the way that fought interracial marriage as well. Still religious grounds?

At some point, we are just going to have to face the facts that these uber conservative states just don't like things that rock their status quo. They want to live in the 1950's, where women and blacks knew their place, gay people were hidden, and no one even knew what a transgender person was. Make America Great Again!

And I'm a native Texan, so I know whereof I speak.

Your making this an us vs them and trying to label people you disagree with rather than address the issue.

California, liberal Mecca, voted no on prop 8.(gay marriage). Again irrelevant to this issue.

originally posted by: pyramid head

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Yeah, religious grounds as in trying to create a theocracy, ruling over everyone's marriage rights. These are the same states, by the way that fought interracial marriage as well. Still religious grounds?

At some point, we are just going to have to face the facts that these uber conservative states just don't like things that rock their status quo. They want to live in the 1950's, where women and blacks knew their place, gay people were hidden, and no one even knew what a transgender person was. Make America Great Again!

And I'm a native Texan, so I know whereof I speak.

Your making this an us vs them and trying to label people you disagree with rather than address the issue.

California, liberal Mecca, voted no on prop 8.(gay marriage). Again irrelevant to this issue.

California has Liberal areas. It's actually very close to 50/50 - - a purple state.

originally posted by: pyramid head

Your ignoring the reality of peoples concern...

But when an opposing views concern is brought up, rather than at least acknowledging it, you deny it exist.

Nobody is denying these concerns or "fears" but they are unfounded and based on the slanderous notion that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that are best to them will lead to rape and molestation. 7 out of 9 rapes or molestations are committed by someone a person knows and transgender people have been using the bathrooms all along before this became the next big scare tactic.

These "fears and concerns" are pure propaganda raised by the fundamentalist alt-right as a way of erasing and de-humanizing trans people and you've swallowed the Kool-Aid hook, line and sinker. The 19 states and over 250 cities with anti-discrimination laws protecting the rights of trans students and people to use the best suited facilities do not report any of these horrible consequences people have been lead to believe.

Fear is a powerful tool. Look at the things like the Patriot Act and domestic surveillance and the TSA as examples of what a good campaign of fear can get away with. I thought ATS people might be smarter than most and see through all this bathroom nonsense for what it is but I guess not.

a reply to: pyramid head

Actually, California voted yes on prop. 8, which proposed banning gay marriage. Just like other liberal states, people's attitudes toward gay marriage changed pretty drastically since around 2008. Prop 8 would have no chance of being voted on today in California. In Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana? The situation is still pretty grim for attitudes on gay marriage there.

When liberal states are more in favor of non-discrimination laws than conservative states, it IS an issue of us vs them.

What exactly is the issue to be addressed? The fact that trans people's rights seem to disappear in conservative states? Or the fact that there has been no significant issue with rapes and/or molestations in public bathrooms since more liberal states have passed these non-discrimination laws?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I don't care personally, but this has gotten so ridiculous that you have people that actually believe that they are a gender, race, age etc because they "feel" that way. Why not make it simple. If you're biologically male use the boys if you're female use the women's bathroom or use a gender neutral bathroom. Who cares, but this is the definition of first world problems.

a reply to: avgguy

When an anorexic person looks in the mirror and thinks they are fat, it's considered a mental illness.

When a schizophrenic person looks in the mirror and thinks he is Jesus, it's considered a mental illness.

But when a man looks in the mirror and thinks he's a woman, it's not considered a mental illness?

Let that sink in.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Actually, California voted yes on prop. 8, which proposed banning gay marriage. Just like other liberal states, people's attitudes toward gay marriage changed pretty drastically since around 2008. Prop 8 would have no chance of being voted on today in California. In Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana? The situation is still pretty grim for attitudes on gay marriage there.

When liberal states are more in favor of non-discrimination laws than conservative states, it IS an issue of us vs them.

What exactly is the issue to be addressed? The fact that trans people's rights seem to disappear in conservative states? Or the fact that there has been no significant issue with rapes and/or molestations in public bathrooms since more liberal states have passed these non-discrimination laws?

Simple, is it possible for women to be victimized by predators who abuse this?

You seem to be saying there is no possibility of this happening.

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: pyramid head

Your ignoring the reality of peoples concern...

But when an opposing views concern is brought up, rather than at least acknowledging it, you deny it exist.

Nobody is denying these concerns or "fears" but they are unfounded and based on the slanderous notion that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that are best to them will lead to rape and molestation. 7 out of 9 rapes or molestations are committed by someone a person knows and transgender people have been using the bathrooms all along before this became the next big scare tactic.

These "fears and concerns" are pure propaganda raised by the fundamentalist alt-right as a way of erasing and de-humanizing trans people and you've swallowed the Kool-Aid hook, line and sinker. The 19 states and over 250 cities with anti-discrimination laws protecting the rights of trans students and people to use the best suited facilities do not report any of these horrible consequences people have been lead to believe.

Fear is a powerful tool. Look at the things like the Patriot Act and domestic surveillance and the TSA as examples of what a good campaign of fear can get away with. I thought ATS people might be smarter than most and see through all this bathroom nonsense for what it is but I guess not.

So your saying there is no one who will be victimized as a result?

a reply to: Konduit

Anorexia is a potential life-threatening eating disorder, that is usually brought on by some kind of trauma or stress. Therapy and counseling usually helps the person to deal better with the trauma, which usually gets rid of or greatly reduces the eating disorder.

Gender dysphoria is not caused by trauma or stress, but the dysphoria itself can cause stress. By helping the person live as the gender they identify with, the dysphoria is greatly relieved, thus so is the stress.

Different issues, which require different treatment.

originally posted by: pyramid head

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Actually, California voted yes on prop. 8, which proposed banning gay marriage. Just like other liberal states, people's attitudes toward gay marriage changed pretty drastically since around 2008. Prop 8 would have no chance of being voted on today in California. In Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana? The situation is still pretty grim for attitudes on gay marriage there.

When liberal states are more in favor of non-discrimination laws than conservative states, it IS an issue of us vs them.

What exactly is the issue to be addressed? The fact that trans people's rights seem to disappear in conservative states? Or the fact that there has been no significant issue with rapes and/or molestations in public bathrooms since more liberal states have passed these non-discrimination laws?

Simple, is it possible for women to be victimized by predators who abuse this?

You seem to be saying there is no possibility of this happening.

Is it possible that a predator could slip into a bathroom unnoticed and commit a crime? Sure. It was always possible. The only way to totally stop that is to not allow anyone to use any public bathrooms - ever. Ban public bathrooms and that issue goes away completely. But that's not realistic, is it? So we do the best we can while allowing trans people the safety and security to use the restroom that best fits their gender identity. Put cameras in the communal sink areas of women's room if that will help. Have female cops stand guard in the women's room if that will help. But don't tell an innocent trans girl of 16 that she has to go to the men's room.

originally posted by: pyramid head
So your saying there is no one who will be victimized as a result?

Trans people forced into the wrong bathroom will absolutely victimized. Unlike the fear-mongering tactics of the conservative right, there are plenty of statistics, reports and evidence to back that up.

But we don't give two #'s about what happens to those goddamn baby raping trans folks. There's not enough of them to matter anyway.

I get it. Safety and privacy only apply to non-trasgender women. How foolish of me to think otherwise.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: pyramid head

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

Actually, California voted yes on prop. 8, which proposed banning gay marriage. Just like other liberal states, people's attitudes toward gay marriage changed pretty drastically since around 2008. Prop 8 would have no chance of being voted on today in California. In Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana? The situation is still pretty grim for attitudes on gay marriage there.

When liberal states are more in favor of non-discrimination laws than conservative states, it IS an issue of us vs them.

What exactly is the issue to be addressed? The fact that trans people's rights seem to disappear in conservative states? Or the fact that there has been no significant issue with rapes and/or molestations in public bathrooms since more liberal states have passed these non-discrimination laws?

Simple, is it possible for women to be victimized by predators who abuse this?

You seem to be saying there is no possibility of this happening.

Is it possible that a predator could slip into a bathroom unnoticed and commit a crime? Sure. It was always possible. The only way to totally stop that is to not allow anyone to use any public bathrooms - ever. Ban public bathrooms and that issue goes away completely. But that's not realistic, is it? So we do the best we can while allowing trans people the safety and security to use the restroom that best fits their gender identity. Put cameras in the communal sink areas of women's room if that will help. Have female cops stand guard in the women's room if that will help. But don't tell an innocent trans girl of 16 that she has to go to the men's room.

Okay...
Using the "new law" were it to be federally imposed, could a predator take advantage of it to harm a woman/girl?