The strangest Coincidence regarding the Pentagon attack on 9/11

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AMPTAH

According to that statement an aircraft is nothing but an aluminum tube.

Too bad you ignore the .. etc..

You want to "penetrate" matter, you need "density" on impact.

Ponder this : a video was posted of a ping pong ball making a hole through a ping pong paddle.

Pp balls don’t have any density like a paddle, yet it penetrates with lotsa speed.

So what are you missing?

Why is density only part of the equation?

Because "Impulse" is a force x time which determines how much energy is delivered on impact, and force is momentum per unit time, and momentum is mass times velocity, so it's both density and speed of the missile. However, theres only so fast the moving object can travel, so once you fix the speed, it's all about mass or density.

But, if you take a light weight object, and accelrate it close to the speed of light, you can penetrate anything.

A plane is a slow moving object in this regard though.

So, we're back to density.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Then you should be able to show an 18 inch thick wall that's capable of stopping somewhere around 200,000 pounds traveling at somewhere near 500 mph. Prove that the wall can stop the plane and that the plane should have just crumpled.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AMPTAH

Then you should be able to show an 18 inch thick wall that's capable of stopping somewhere around 200,000 pounds traveling at somewhere near 500 mph. Prove that the wall can stop the plane and that the plane should have just crumpled.

Just simple math tells you there isnt one. Doing the math thats 1,671,464,431.4495 foot-pounds at impact.

By using a Granite the blame could be placed on Russia should it fail somehow to hit it's target and be recovered. It was also the right tool for the job of taking out the offices housing the accounting department. Oddly it was the section of wall that was "reinforced" only a few months earlier for whatever bizarre reason which they have never explained.

As crimes go 9/11 was quite the major success. Not only did the Pentagon get off the hook for missing trillions but ENRON and Worldcom records from the El Dorado task force were destroyed in WTC collapses. Then there were the bonds due to be cleared that financed the take down of the Russian economy a decade earlier (Project Hammer).

It was very clever to house all the criminal records and investigative reports right where they could destroyed in the chaos of the day. Makes one think maybe they had this in mind for almost a decade or more.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AMPTAH

According to that statement an aircraft is nothing but an aluminum tube.

Too bad you ignore the .. etc..

You want to "penetrate" matter, you need "density" on impact.

Ponder this : a video was posted of a ping pong ball making a hole through a ping pong paddle.

Pp balls don’t have any density like a paddle, yet it penetrates with lotsa speed.

So what are you missing?

Why is density only part of the equation?

Because "Impulse" is a force x time which determines how much energy is delivered on impact, and force is momentum per unit time, and momentum is mass times velocity, so it's both density and speed of the missile. However, theres only so fast the moving object can travel, so once you fix the speed, it's all about mass or density.

But, if you take a light weight object, and accelrate it close to the speed of light, you can penetrate anything.

A plane is a slow moving object in this regard though.

So, we're back to density.

Want to look here then at my thread below.

Confused Truther physics with regards to Aircraft & Building impacts

Yes the Empire State Building crash a B25 Bomber in fog, so small light aircraft traveling at a slow speed yet here is the damage.





So as you can see long before the internet and everything being a conspiracy look at the quotes below. Similar things happened at 9/11 things that people claim can't happen. Have a look at the quote in bold don't assume what can happen until you see what can happen.

The bomber was flying relatively slowly and quite low, seeking better visibility, when it came upon the Chrysler Building in midtown. It swerved to avoid the building but the move sent it straight into the north side of the Empire State Building, near the 79th floor.

Upon impact, the plane’s jet fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side.

Now although this plane had a maximum of 974 gallons if fully loaded with fuel (not 10,000) it still managed to cause fires over 4 floors in a building that wasn't open plan like the Towers. Now how many times has it been claimed on here by the truther side that ALL the fuel would be burnt in the explosion so as we can see they are WRONG.

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

An engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: AMPTAH

An Airplane is not designed to "penetrate" materials. It's designed to "float".

Please show us where any non sea plane is designed to float.

Sully's flight floated in the river, with humans standing on the wings.

Do you ever watch the news? They made a movie of it.

Aluminum airframes can float and do float, depending upon the actual conditions.

Aluminum airframes DO NOT penetrate concrete buildings and Pennsylvania coal country terrain. Is there no common sense at all?

a reply to: Salander

AH Gruber

The plane sank right after that ........

Reason floated was that interior was filled with air, once water got in and displaced air plane sank

I was in Jersey City morning after watching Coast Guard trying to salvage it

a reply to: AMPTAH

A plane is a slow moving object in this regard though.

Plane was moving at 530 mph , that's 770 feet per second , speed of a bullet

At that speed materials have enough energy to do significant damage to whatever they hit

Ever heard of straw or grass being embedded in wood by tornado ?

nice thread op......

a reply to: GBP/JPY

So how many plane crashes you've been too ......?

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AMPTAH

According to that statement an aircraft is nothing but an aluminum tube.

Too bad you ignore the .. etc..

You want to "penetrate" matter, you need "density" on impact.

Ponder this : a video was posted of a ping pong ball making a hole through a ping pong paddle.

Pp balls don’t have any density like a paddle, yet it penetrates with lotsa speed.

So what are you missing?

Why is density only part of the equation?

Because "Impulse" is a force x time which determines how much energy is delivered on impact, and force is momentum per unit time, and momentum is mass times velocity, so it's both density and speed of the missile. However, theres only so fast the moving object can travel, so once you fix the speed, it's all about mass or density.

But, if you take a light weight object, and accelrate it close to the speed of light, you can penetrate anything.

A plane is a slow moving object in this regard though.

So, we're back to density.

Ah.

So then you know the other factors, but have chosen to not bring any evidence. The only evidence I see is personal incredulity.

Therefore, your claim can be summarily dismissed without discussion.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: AMPTAH

An Airplane is not designed to "penetrate" materials. It's designed to "float".

Please show us where any non sea plane is designed to float.

Sully's flight floated in the river, with humans standing on the wings.

Do you ever watch the news? They made a movie of it.

Aluminum airframes can float and do float, depending upon the actual conditions.

Aluminum airframes DO NOT penetrate concrete buildings and Pennsylvania coal country terrain. Is there no common sense at all?

Explain this then.





Thick limestone cladding over a brickwork wall and look how thick that is also look at the damage to the floor slab a lot thicker than WTC Towers floor slab.

A smaller lighter slower plane, what we see Salander is someone who thinks they understand physics but in rerality you are lost you don't really understand the physics of collisions or how construction works so sad really.

Just in case you missed this

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

So why don't you explain the above in your best physics you said you did it at college so lets hear the excuses

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: AMPTAH

An Airplane is not designed to "penetrate" materials. It's designed to "float".

Please show us where any non sea plane is designed to float.

Sully's flight floated in the river, with humans standing on the wings.

Do you ever watch the news? They made a movie of it.

Aluminum airframes can float and do float, depending upon the actual conditions.

Aluminum airframes DO NOT penetrate concrete buildings and Pennsylvania coal country terrain. Is there no common sense at all?

Explain this then.

Thick limestone cladding over a brickwork wall and look how thick that is also look at the damage to the floor slab a lot thicker than WTC Towers floor slab.

A smaller lighter slower plane, what we see Salander is someone who thinks they understand physics but in rerality you are lost you don't really understand the physics of collisions or how construction works so sad really.

Just in case you missed this

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

So why don't you explain the above in your best physics you said you did it at college so lets hear the excuses

Something something classic tortured thinking something something ONLY for propaganda purposes something something the official government explanation something something what NIST wants us to believe something something the official narrative is utterly false

a reply to: Salander

Sully's flight floated in the river, with humans standing on the wings.

Do you ever watch the news? They made a movie of it.

Aluminum airframes can float and do float, depending upon the actual conditions.

The claim was that they were "designed" to float.
The key word is "designed".
I say no plane is "designed" to float.
They are designed to fly.

a reply to: mrthumpy

Please let Sal post his BS don't give him any help.

a reply to: firerescue


No # Sherlock. Please tell me something I don't know. Samkent does not understand that airplanes CAN float, for some period of time. I attempted to correct his inaccurate statement.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Salander

Sully's flight floated in the river, with humans standing on the wings.

Do you ever watch the news? They made a movie of it.

Aluminum airframes can float and do float, depending upon the actual conditions.

The claim was that they were "designed" to float.
The key word is "designed".
I say no plane is "designed" to float.
They are designed to fly.

Sure Sam, I'll give you that--they are NOT designed to float. That is why depending upon actual circumstances, they do not float very long. But they do float, depending upon circumstances, as demonstrated by Sully's flight. Please make your statements accurate.

Neither are airplanes designed to burrow into the earth or through buildings. That is why the story of UA93 and AA77 are so crazy impossible, and why anybody that wants me to believe either of those absurd claims is spitting into the wind.

a reply to: Salander

Neither are airplanes designed to burrow into the earth or through buildings. That is why the story of UA93 and AA77 are so crazy impossible, and why anybody that wants me to believe either of those absurd claims is spitting into the wind.

But apparently do go through ships .......

USS HINSDAKE (APA 120)

en.wikipedia.org...(APA-120)#/media/File:Hinsdale_APA-120_-_kamikaze.jpg

USS STERETT (DD 407)

www.ibiblio.org...

Strange how airplanes 60 years before, more lighter and slower, can penetrate steel side of a ship . Yet 60 years later
an airliner over 10 times heavier and traveling 3 x the speed can not penetrate into a building....??

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: GBP/JPY

So how many plane crashes you've been too ......?

How many English classes have u been too

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: GBP/JPY

So how many plane crashes you've been too ......?

How many English classes have u been too

Hell, what reality are you in.......