Why isn't anyone on ATS following the money re: last 4 presidents

Names from the OP: Robert Rubin, Marcus Goldman, Samuel Sachs, Henry Paulson, Timothy Geithner, Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon.

Everyone except Bannon.

They all have the same thing in common?

a reply to: chaeone86

Fantastic post OP, although I will admit I only skim read the content, I whole-heartedly agree with the sentiment.

Money as we all know is the root of all evil, doesn't matter who is at the top, money attracts money, ideology plays its part, yet it always comes back to money, with the same old players controlling the lions share.

Nothing has been learnt from the 2008 crash, I'm not sure it really can, unless certain players are willing to work with the correct balance sheet.

Just recently where I work they are taking away our staff discount cards, we all have to apply for the company card if we wish to still access our work perk discount, which is a credit card of sorts, only way to get away with not having one.

You have to apply and be declined, or have religious grounds not to.

Imagine that, a company who is forcing workers to take out unsecure credit to access a staff benefit that was available without the potential threat of falling into debt before.

Society it seems is screwed.

a reply to: Noncents

Bannon did rise to VP at Goldman.

And I am only using Goldman Sachs as an example. Across major government agencies, GSEs and federal reserve banks, the leadership is always a revolving door of c-suite bankers and fortune 20 CEOs. Sure, these folks have the knowledge to run these organizations, but it's like suicide squad only not a terrible movie. You don't hire ex cons to run the police, even if their intentions are to do good after all that rehabilitation.

What I suppose I mean to point out is a fundamental phisophical dysfunction in the structure of our government and associated institutions.

There are probably more well meaning and well intentioned banking elite in these organizations than psychopaths. But the whole thing is existentially flawed. and not for nothing, the psychopaths tend to strong arm and maniulailte their way to the top inside these boardrooms. It's all they know. That's dangerous.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Brotherman
I remember a time when partisan politics where not part of the normal ats convos. That started shortly after facebook erupted. Social engineering at its finest has slipped in and appears to be here to stay.

Just look at some of the new "buzzwords," that resident ATS'ers have taken up.

Fake news. Triggered. Snowflake.

These weren't around a year ago.... now they're everywhere.

Programming. People have been socially conditioned and they don't even realize it.

These words have been around for a few years over on LGBQT forums. Four years that I can swear too, so only new to ATS. I'm glad I fell into this thread and Andluivians Bonus threads. Fake news has been around pretty prominently since the early 90's when some of us gave up and started reading news from international sources out of frustration.

While the political junk drives web traffic sadly it's a trade off with the CT topics. It's easy to say that, but on the flip side for some of us who've been around the block a couple of times, even without the political threads in reality what CT topic would be truly new to us?

We're not only pretty jaded, but we've spent years invested in "the weird" and there just isn't much weirdness new to us to find and discuss. We all have our opinions of most of it by now. Lived thru the credible debunking of some, know which photos from the 30's, 40's and later were hoaxed, figured out who's been willfully misleading us ect...

On other sites I visit and FB those old photos are still popping up cause the newer generations never saw them. So yay! recycled crap. When it isn't CGI or just "watch this youtube".

Oh FFS!! I think I just turned into a cranky-oldster!!!!

originally posted by: whismermill
Starred and Flagged

I'm wondering how manufactured the bipartisanship really is. Divide a country and it can easier be manipulated

I think you are right and it is the polarizing type issues like child predatory stuff and people selectively being concerned. The Left maybe never siding with the victim anymore. Then those in the last admin in the US finding a way to get ISIS their weapons and harem while pretending it wasn't the US. You have to hop off the fence in those matters and man up and the Left sure has done that. I hear the partisanship concern as one trying to stay in the middle. I have fallen off that fence toward the opposite of whatever these idiots trying to destroy western culture want.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: chaeone86

The money for the bush administration came originally from the Nazi concentration camp in which they invested in heavily..

Auschwitz...

Well done lads good investment.. Funded two American presidents..

And Bush helped Clinton it seems. We may all recall the pic at a country club setting of Sr Bush with two very young men. Jr and Slick Willie. These guys are indeed intertwined like rope. Control of the media is the tool. And I was lucky enough to have a gay/liberal professor of Mass Communications who told us the media was using us. That hippie prof was right and I laughed him off then because I didn't want to believe my own eyes. He did show us slow motion of the Zapruder film where Kennedy got the hit from the Grassy Knoll. That probably smacked me awake to the conspiracies. Here on ATS he would be called a Right wing nut job I bet and the colleges wouldn't like it.

This has been a fantastic read so far!

It truly blew my damn mind that Steve Mnuchin, a Goldman-Sachs and Soros connected banker was tapped to be the Treasury Secretary and all you heard was crickets from Trump supporters. He just as easily could have been Hillary's Treasury Secretary. Hell, it may have been decided that he was going to be the Treasury Secretary before the election was even settled!

It's so frustrating that we squabble over inconsequential nothings while we let so few profit from the fruits of our labor.

Speaking of Soros, chaeone, what do people in your industry think of him?

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: chaeone86

The money for the bush administration came originally from the Nazi concentration camp in which they invested in heavily..

Auschwitz...

Well done lads good investment.. Funded two American presidents..

And Bush helped Clinton it seems. We may all recall the pic at a country club setting of Sr Bush with two very young men. Jr and Slick Willie.

Bill Clinton was 100%, without a doubt, involved in the Iran-Contra Affair.

Just wanted to add that I am profoundly relieved to see this topic on the front page of ATS this evening.

Peace.

I read this post last night, it is good to know that people are "grounded" enough to follow the money because if french philosophers have taught us anything else than sexual depravity it should be that "absolute power; corrupts absolutely".
If there is even the darkest of thread linking Trumps MAGA campaign to the previous campaigns we should know about it.

originally posted by: daryllyn
a reply to: GraffikPleasure

There are several people here I only see on the political threads that I'm starting to wonder if they are being paid... now that's ATS material! Lol

Some of us are at work lol

I'll have a mocha and can you make me a chicken and avocado focaccia, not toasted plox.

failing that a mars bar and some cheese on toast.



I'll pay by putting a chair in a different place. but I am working on boxes next. -- sad but true.

Dary, you do a good job. above and beyond. soo.. yeah..

a reply to: PistolPete

Soros an old chap. Out to pasture. Fairly unimportant and no longer a player. As antianduluvian and others alluded to, we have a cast of new players. Like the mercers and rentech. I would hope people on these boards understand that by the time the whole world has heard about a hedge funder/financiers influence, it's somewhat already run its course. They tugged their strings long before their name was well known.

The best of these people... that is the modus operandi... a deep dive and capture is what is required to truly divine those actively at work now. I can't speak too much or plug too many names because (and I know trolls will cry thoroughly) I am just too close to it all still. However one thing I will impart is many lovely Russian names began to contaminate the pool as i began to check out.

Or should I say Chekhov? Ha. Just a joke.

a reply to: AceWombat04

I am somewhat profoundly scared. Let's just hope any additional participation is in good faith, hope and in a spirit of curiosity. No purposeful obfuscation nor straw man-ing. I learned how to not be that^ form of debater on ATS so many years ago. I wish that were the standard now.

Let's cross fingers and say a little prayer.

On a fun note I am boarding a plane on business at this moment. So if it crashes and burns, write a thread in my memory!

I would lastly impart that a close flag to reply ratio on this site is a good sign. It implies (possibly) the readers and writers are collaborating, interacting and there is a volume of actual thought prevalent. I am happy to see this and hope anyone intrigued enough to flag will also weigh in, no matter how casual their engagement.

Just, ya know, dont be a puppy kicking a$$hole

The controversial topics have burned themselves out just like a fire eventually goes out and doesn't burn forever, even the fires running below the 9/11 pile eventually went out

9/11, JFK, Pearl Harbor, Moon Landings, and all the rest of it has been discussed many times by older members of ATS; you can do a search and find those threads if you want. The Trump verses the media stuff is current, news flash to ATS both sides are lying multiple times to us. ATS needs to dig and expose when those times are, for both sides.

I am going to say I think ATS has done that, I have been corrected myself on some stories, I would rather be corrected with real facts than believe propaganda from either side.

a reply to: PistolPete
Soros is only a popular name because he funds groups that make the news. He's old though and not as in to power politics as he is into just generally stirring up sh##. He seems to consider himself more of a 'social engineer' than a game changer. But thats my opinion as a psychologist, not a banker. It appears like he's playing with dolls that happen to be real people...




a reply to: purplemer
Yeah, you should really read articles before posting them, because it confirms LITERALLY EVERYTHING I just said. Compare to my paragraph:

Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade.

There was nothing illegal in doing business with the Thyssens throughout the 1930s and many of America's best-known business names invested heavily in the German economic recovery. However, everything changed after Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Even then it could be argued that BBH was within its rights continuing business relations with the Thyssens until the end of 1941 as the US was still technically neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Walker and Harriman were the two evil geniuses, they didn't care about the Nazis any more than they cared about their investments with the Bolsheviks.

EXACT same points I made. Now, no more off topics.

a reply to: chaeone86

Excellent post, thank you for your insight. You are correct that many people had been long suffering and figured they'd roll the dice with Trump. I own a small manufacturing business (in California, the least business-friendly state in the union) and I personally know of four small/medium sized companies who were planning on shutting their doors if Hillary won. It's really that bad. My question - would the situation in banking and finance be any better if Hillary was in the White House? Her ties to Wall Street run every bit as deep as Trump's. Not to mention her ties to foreign (M.E.) interests. What I'm saying is was it TPTB's intention all along to throw Hillary under the bus and install Trump or was it a fluke that forced them to change their strategy? Or, did it matter at all? Thanks again

a reply to: underpass61

Short answer. Didn't matter.

I will say the influx of financial services power into trumps campaign and now his White House was probably less planned out or as deliberate as HRC. But it happened nonetheless. Anteandeluvian made some great posts that he referenced in this thread. They cover how once trump became the nominee apparent, there was a rush of money and potent influence into his campaign. I will defer to his expertise. My angle of approach and insight is more on what the FS influencers do when in power, less how they get it. IMHO they've always gotten exactly where they are, and as such I've not been to concerned with the means as much as the ends.

I read about Cambridge informatica before anteandeluvian raised their name and hoooo boy. That is a trove that we should all be taking apart. You can see the impact of social engineering everywhere on the net and pronouncedly on ATS. This company is on a forefront of dangerous abuse of people's minds. Wholesale psyops... but by a private organization with no loyalties except a bottom line. Very frightening.

Thanks for your reply and engagement friend!

originally posted by: daryllyn
It is funny to me how people used to be so antiestablishment here, until Tweeter in chief came along, then they suddenly decide to buy it all, hook, line, and sinker.

Yes, on both sides, for different reasons.

originally posted by: chaeone86
And for those of you well meaning folks who believe in trump.

I believe you are suffering from toxic altruism.

Donald trump is not the champion of the little guy. He is a dangerous, narcissistic egomaniac.

He is not a successful business anything. The only thing he did well at was licensing his name.

Can't disagree with this one little bit. Answer me this though. Would Americans be questioning and searching for truths so hard if Hillary were in office now? There would be no discourse and turbulence. The ministry of truth would be humming along merrily.

Trump is a disruptive force that will stir the scum on the bottom of that stagnant pond. Some call it a swamp. No, I'm not gifting Trump the title savior of the American people. I'm saying the factions are fighting so brazenly that people are starting to question who and what really has them by the throat. I'd compare where I hope we go to discovering that the trusted church leader is a pedophile. I want people to question their present, the past, and the future they have been offered. Smiling faces sometimes, they don't tell the truth.

Some would think I am a trump supporter. I am not so much. I was fairly sure what he was going to cause to happen though. I don't mind paying it forward. Painful or not.

Wake up ATS. Wake UP.

Oh, this is in the birthing process as we speak. There will be no intellectual 100'th monkey event going to happen where we all become enlightened by some divine inspiration. If the American people actually do manage to exorcise their demons it will likely be ugly. I for one would gladly endure it just to come out free on the other side. Conscious, knowing, to be awake. It almost makes me tear up.

To be free... Right now we have a better chance than we have had in a long time.