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originally posted by: butcherguy
No lefties here yet?
Bitching about the cold-hearted uncaring conservatives?
Vowing their support for an admitted felon?
I am surprised.
According to ABC15, Garcia de Rayos was arrested in 2009 for impersonation. She was charged with a felony, but her lawyers say that raid was subsequently ruled unconstitutional.
"Relevant databases indicate Ms. Garcia De Rayos has a prior felony conviction dating from March 2009 for criminal impersonation," an ICE statement said.
Activists said the woman's conviction stemmed from a false Social Security card she used for employment.
"Lupita has been doing yearly check-ins with ICE and nothing happened," said Lucy Sandoval, an activist who has been working with Garcia de Rayos' family. "But this is a different time."
Garcia de Rayos prayed before her meeting Wednesday with ICE, Sandoval said. Activists warned her of the possibility of her detention and offered her sanctuary, but she decided to show up, Sandoval said. "She wanted to confront this," the activist said. "She was brave. ... She's a woman of faith. Yes, they were praying. They were hopeful that there would be some consciousness and some heart."
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU0408
"Things are a lot worse here than the news outlets lead people to believe though."
I kind of imagine that to be the case considering the opinions some people seem to harbor.
What happens through when Mexico refuses to take them back?
Because its not just criminals these deportations will effect, the numbers are rather large, probobly growing daily.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU0408
Does not make it any less belligerent especially considering the people involved.
Obviously they are not all rapists, murders or otherwise criminally minded so you cannot tar them all with the same brush(Also came out in reference to people).
originally posted by: Grambler
She committed a felony, stealing someones identity. So although I feel bad for her family, she should be deported.
She should have been deported when she was found guilty in 2013, then her family would have had time to adapt and make decisions by now.
For those who think that she shouldn't be deported because it hurts her family, two questions.
1# Do you shed tears for the person whose identity she stole? What if that person lost their house because of this theft?
2# Shouldn't this argument apply to all crime. "Well you are found guilty of burglary young man, but we can't jail you because it would be creul to remove you from your family".
I am sorry this woman is being punished, but she committed a serious crime and now must face the consequences of her choice.
originally posted by: spirit_horse
a reply to: xuenchen
The order was finalized in 2013 under the Obama administration. Trump had nothing to do with this. Obama had a program to deport criminals and everyone knew it. He deported more criminals that most administrations. The lady stole someones identity and you can't pick and choose what laws you enforce or the society becomes lawless.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
originally posted by: butcherguy
No lefties here yet?
Bitching about the cold-hearted uncaring conservatives?
Vowing their support for an admitted felon?
I am surprised.
Some of us are just watching how much you all are enjoying this. You must be a real hoot at lynchings. In other countries I hear they cut off hands if you steal something. Tough luck you guys
Yes, using someone social security number is a very serious crime. I already posted one story, but there are countless stories of peoples ID being stolen and them ending up losing their home, or ending up in jail.
How would you have us view crimes then? Its ok to steal someones property as long as they can go on living? Whee is your compassion for victims of ID theft?
The Phoenix mother was detained for months and eventually ordered to be sent back to Mexico. But for the subsequent years, after she appealed her voluntary deportation, García de Rayos was allowed to remain in the United States, as long as she checked in once a year, and then every six months. Each year, she did so, and each year, immigration officials let her stay.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Spiramirabilis
Yes, using someone social security number is a very serious crime. I already posted one story, but there are countless stories of peoples ID being stolen and them ending up losing their home, or ending up in jail.
How would you have us view crimes then? Its ok to steal someones property as long as they can go on living?
Where is your compassion for victims of ID theft?
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU0408
"Things are a lot worse here than the news outlets lead people to believe though."
I kind of imagine that to be the case considering the opinions some people seem to harbor.
What happens through when Mexico refuses to take them back?
Because its not just criminals these deportations will effect, the numbers are rather large, probobly growing daily.
Very good question, I have no idea what happens if Mexico won't take them back, but I would assume they kinda have to since it's their citizen.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Sorry - I won't feel bad about being enraged at this. You and the others go ahead enjoy your retribution. Feel safer. Enjoy your new law and order president
originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: LSU0408
the problem i have is how trump shrugged it off almost as if it was because he was forced to throw something nice in there, (i'm paraphrasing here) "i guess some of them are good people." yes there are welfare leeches, drug dealers, criminals coming over we cannot deny that but the vast majority are hard working, decent people fleeing their corrupt, cartel run country.
originally posted by: dogstar23
originally posted by: Grambler
She committed a felony, stealing someones identity. So although I feel bad for her family, she should be deported.
She should have been deported when she was found guilty in 2013, then her family would have had time to adapt and make decisions by now.
For those who think that she shouldn't be deported because it hurts her family, two questions.
1# Do you shed tears for the person whose identity she stole? What if that person lost their house because of this theft?
2# Shouldn't this argument apply to all crime. "Well you are found guilty of burglary young man, but we can't jail you because it would be creul to remove you from your family".
I am sorry this woman is being punished, but she committed a serious crime and now must face the consequences of her choice.
I agree with you, but I'll take it a step further: what if that person whose identity she stole was even momentarily inconvenienced? That's reason enough for me. Not that citizens don't steal identities also, but I believe any crime perpetrated by a foreign national against a citizen should be a zero tolerance situation.
This is one of those cases I believe civil asset forfeiture should be invoked. Anything the perpetrator owns, since they're not protected by the Constitution, should be transferred to the victim.