Trump Administration Orders Communications Blackout For US Scientists

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The fight in the Republican Party has recently been between those who advocate the "free flow" of labor and capital across borders and those that want to have immigration and capital regulations. Right now, the power is with those who advocate for the "free flow", i.e. open borders. One branch, POTUS, wants a Wall, but where this is all played out is in Congress (and eventually Supreme Court), where Ryan etal hold the power to demand "free flow". Heck, there could even be a Wall with big doors, those big doors being the H1b visa/issuing a Social Security card automatically at The Border, which is another idea. Afterall, it is the SS# which really determines eligibility to work legally. Hey, do away with SS and you get "open borders" automatically.

The "free flow" of labor and capital means no govt to regulate it. This is "drowning govt in a bathtub".

a reply to: Byrd

It was about time we had this kind of revolution.

Yes, the revolution is now. Before it gets worse. And getting worse can happen so quickly in this day and age.

The Russian joke, "We thought we had hit rock bottom, and then someone knocked from below." And Russians should know about authoritarianism.

a reply to: Byrd

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: Byrd
Hey Sofi! Did you see that NASA scientists are also going rogue on Twitter?

Scientists are peaceable people...but we're also doggone devious if you irk us. I expect to see more of this in the future (perhaps rogue university accounts as well.)


(and some of us are better at Internet and computers than Donald Trump (who was warned by an ethical hacker) and Rudy Giuliani)

YES! What a relief.

Thank you for the links!

Apparently a few more rogue accounts have appeared.

It was about time we had this kind of revolution. And I agree that open access is needed - tracking down some of the papers I need to be a very frustrating exercise.

Yes! Reported here:
U.S. government scientists go 'rogue' in defiance of Trump

Vive la Revolucion Ciencia!

[Can I say that here?]

This really about Planet X that will be visible to the naked eye later this year.

originally posted by: hesse
This really about Planet X that will be visible to the naked eye later this year.

Quick, write a book and get a website up. You'll be rich!
Seriously though, I think this is about clearing out Obama people.

a reply to: soficrow

In other words….! The Americans are not isolating themselves, they are “imploding”. To me, this sounds disastrous.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: UKTruth
Hopefully this means he is going to kill all the global warming fascism and start opening up the debate.

How is it a debate? I mean, we don't debate gravity, so why is global warming a debate? Serious question.

How does gravity work? Seriously, that is still up for debate. Some physicists have gone so far as to say gravity is not a fundamental force of the universe but actually a side effect of the true fundamental forces.

Even then the analogy does not work. We can observe gravity. We are not observing climate change as the computer models are supposedly calculating it.

Normally in science, if a model does not work it is scrapped and redesigned. But not in 'climate science'. Wierd.

But we are seeing Climate Science work. What your talking about are a few predictions. We see rising temperatures every year and we know that our pollution has at least a minimal effect. The debate should be about how much of an influence based on science and what kind of effect on humanity the rising temperatures could have.

a reply to: Syphone

In other words….! The Americans are not isolating themselves, they are “imploding”. To me, this sounds disastrous.

Could be. I hear sales of Orwell's 1984 have just sky-rocketed.

States already have that right. It's called the Tenth Amendment. The gov will not ever be dismantled.

originally posted by: ColdChillin
States already have that right. It's called the Tenth Amendment. The gov will not ever be dismantled.

What are you talking about? ...And why do you say the states, not the people?

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
There should be a black out on science dissemination until all lobbyists are corralled and hanged.

Any scientist who modifies the data on behalf of lobbyists should be corralled and hung.

Then perhaps a real discussion on truth can take place. I doubt that's what he has in mind however.

You do realize there are lobbyists who do good things, right?

I fully support a Canadian lobby group that lobbies the government to post balanced or surplus budgets in times of economic growth. Of course dumbass Trudeau wants to spend good money over bad, so that isn't taking flight during the current 'sunny ways' administration.

Re 10th Amendment

Ted Cruz & ALEC: Seceding from the Union One Law at a Time

In a report for the Center for American Progress, Ian Milhiser described these state’s rights efforts as a project for “seceding from the union one law at a time.” These initiatives could result in a Balkanized confederation of states that would be no match against the power of international corporations and would allow for eliminating the regulatory system and the social safety net.

Corporate America Is Just 6 States Short of a Constitutional Convention

The ALEC-affiliated Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force (BBATF), which proffered the pledge signed by Cruz, is hoping to meet that 34-state threshold by July 4. BBATF is one player in an astroturf movement backed by the billionaire Koch brothers and embraced by right-wing state legislators.

This "drowns the govt in a bath tub". Only federal military, police, courts. And if anyone thinks that state govts can't also be made to drown or that state govts are somehow immune from corporate money influence, then I have a bridge to sell you. lol.... Louisiana is a good example of corporate control of state govt.

An overview from the LA Times.

Trump is at war with science and knowledge, and that should terrify you

.....The extent to which the clampdown on public information emanates directly from the White House is unclear. Some may reflect self-censorship by agency officials wary of provoking their new bosses before the new administration is even in place. Some of the offending communications may have been unauthorized; USDA says its directive was sent out prematurely by a research service official and hadn’t been cleared by headquarters, and the National Park Service claims the Badlands tweets were issued by a former employee with access to the park’s account.

Some may also reflect a new administration’s natural desire to call a halt to policymaking and public statements until it can get its arms around its new responsibilities. But there are reports that the Trump White House is putting holds on public statements, policies and grant issuance to a greater degree than its predecessors.

Indeed, the federal Office of Special Counsel, which administers the federal whistle-blower law, felt it necessary to remind government employees Wednesday that blanket gag orders applied to them are illegal. Under the anti-gag provision of the 2012 Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act, it said, nondisclosure agreements and gag orders must “include required language that informs employees that their statutory right to blow the whistle supersedes the terms and conditions of the nondisclosure agreement or policy.”

Many public employees, especially scientists working on climate change and other politically sensitive topics, are fearful that their work will conflict with their new bosses’ ideologies. Agriculture Secretary-designate Sonny Perdue, a former governor of Georgia, ridiculed climate science in a 2014 essay and treated it as a political ploy.

...Researchers in government and elsewhere are concerned that shutting down outside communications is merely the first step in a campaign to undermine the credibility of established science. As Alex Parker, an astronomer at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., observed in a tweet this week: “Barring public communication from science agencies reduces their visibility, which masks their value, which makes them easier to dismantle.”

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Syphone

In other words….! The Americans are not isolating themselves, they are “imploding”. To me, this sounds disastrous.

Could be. I hear sales of Orwell's 1984 have just sky-rocketed.

Destroyed America is much better to control than the America in whole. This trump is “ real Dajjal”. Be aware of it.

It’s not too late yet but be aware of.

To Syphone:

Destroyed America is much better to control than the America in whole. This trump is “ real Dajjal”. Be aware of it.


It seems I have gone down the proverbial rabbit hole when I read Progressive statements like the one above. Is it possible that the disconnect between the Progressive and Conservative perception of reality is a so diametrically opposed that we have begun to use each others analogies at the extremes?

I realize this is not a political thread but when a Progressive uses a Conservatives talking point on Globalism to argue against an agenda to destroy America I am stunned....I equate Globalism with destroying America....and you equate Capitalism with American failure and subjugation....signs and wonders.

a reply to: soficrow
It's about time. USDA has a plathora of incompetent employees. Some don't have degrees and call themselves scientists.

My thinking is that it is all about some ego checking. I foresee some very "proud" men and women losing their jobs.

ATS has long been a place where people complain about government silencing them. In many cases, these were nut job stories.

This is such a blatant wide spread account of government quieting dissent on such a mass scale average people (who don't visit boards like this) are talking about. This is no conspiracy. This is real.

Defend these scientists' right to speak. Even if you have differences. Because one day, the government will come knocking on your door. And then who you will ask for help?

originally posted by: bananasam
ATS has long been a place where people complain about government silencing them. In many cases, these were nut job stories.

This is such a blatant wide spread account of government quieting dissent on such a mass scale average people (who don't visit boards like this) are talking about. This is no conspiracy. This is real.

Defend these scientists' right to speak. Even if you have differences. Because one day, the government will come knocking on your door. And then who you will ask for help?

This is classic misdirection and deflection by a Progressive with an agenda. What makes you think that ATS is a place where "nut jobs" come to complain. I assume that you have reached your opinion regarding government censorship of the scientific community based on Trump's first week in office? This is not the mud pit and this thread and your post smack of trolling.