Trump Administration Orders Communications Blackout For US Scientists

Climate Change or Global Warming, whatever the current PC term for the alleged event may be is political, has always been political and was made even more political by Obama embracing the UN as the driving force behind a new world wide tax on the developed western nations energy usage. The plan has always been a UN plan and it has some very dark elements that are pushing the plan for their own ultimate agenda.

When I see the Pope stand in front of the UN and state that climate change is the worlds #1 priority I have to ask myself where does this Jesuit bouncer from a third world country get his scientific training? Obama pushed the climate change agenda to world wide hysteria and an international accord for a reason.....we know that Obama was a Globalist tool. I believe in climate change...just not man-made climate change.

originally posted by: HekraM
I've not had time to dig into all of the links in the OP but the first one posted on IFLS is 100% anti-Trump propaganda. Usually i wouldn't post Buzzfeed as a source but since thats the source IFLS used (And that Buzzfeed source, weirdly, used another Buzzfeed article as its source. Funny how that works), here is another. oops, turns out Trump had nothing to do with it

100% anti-Trump propaganda pushed out by a leftie-liberal English woman with an axe to grind? Thats what it looks like to me.

Sorry. I accidentally deleted my main reference from the Associated Press and Bloomberg.

AP/Bloomberg: Trump Admin Orders EPA Contract Freeze And Media Blackout

…”This decision could have damaging implications… from delaying testing for lead in schools to restricting efforts to keep drinking water clean to holding up much-needed funding to revitalize toxic brownfield sites,” Schumer said.

The executive director for the advocacy group Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, Jeff Ruch, said the orders go beyond what has occurred in prior presidential transitions.

“We're watching the dark cloud of Mordor extend over federal service,” Ruch said Tuesday, referring to the evil kingdom in the epic fantasy "The Lord of the Rings."

…In a test of what the new administration will tolerate, the official Twitter account of the Badlands National Park published a series of posts Tuesday accurately quoting climate science data that included the current record-setting high concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The tweets were soon deleted.

Looks like Trumps is in good company


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OBAMA GAG ORDER ON FEDERAL WORKERS LIKE THOSE UNDER BUSH

Forest Service Staff Forbidden from Talking to National Media or on National Issues .

Posted on Jan 28, 2010 | Tags: FS, Scientific Integrity, West Virginia .


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Washington, DC — U.S. Forest Service staff are under new orders not to speak to news reporters about politically sensitive issues, according to a directive released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). This gag order resembles those issued by the Bush administration, belying vows by the Obama administration of government transparency. .

In a January 26, 2010 e-mail to employees, Kate Goodrich-Arling, the Public and Legislative Affairs Officer for the Monongahela National Forest, states: .


“Partly due to the increased scrutiny surrounding ARRA [the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act] work and partly due to a relatively new administration, we remain under strict instructions for talking with the media. So, a reminder: If you receive media calls that fall under the following categories you cannot talk to the reporter, but should instead get their contact info and get in touch with me: 1. contacts by a member of the national media on ANY subject 2. contacts by a local or regional reporter seeking information about a national issue including policy and budget issues.” .

The e-mail indicates that national media “include the Washington Post, NY Times, US Today, most TV stations, The Weather Channel, etc.” National issues are defined as “any topic related to accountability (like how we're implementing ARRA); or a resource topic that has been in the national media lately, like gas or wind development on public lands….” Located in the Allegheny Mountains of West Virginia, the Monongahela National Forest, like many public lands, is the site for controversial natural gas drilling. .

“How can a government be transparent when public servants are forbidden from disclosing facts?” asked PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch, noting that such gag orders may be far more widespread but are not usually reduced to writing. “This the same type of gag order that we saw a lot during the Bush years.” .

Despite proclaiming new levels of transparency and accountability, the Obama team remains rooted in a “message control” mentality that punishes government workers for unscripted candor, as evidenced by: .
•Recent action by EPA to censor what its own employees could say in a private YouTube video about weaknesses in cap-and-trade systems for controlling greenhouse gas emissions;
•Restricting federal employees’ ability to provide information to Congress. One indication was a controversial “signing statement” by President Obama in March 2009 asserting his inherent authority to “supervise, control, and correct employees' communications with the Congress”;
•Refusal to resolve whistleblower cases arising from Bush administration efforts to control information, most prominently the case of U.S. Park Police Chief Teresa Chambers who was removed for honestly answering questions posed by the Washington Post. Scheduled for a federal appeals court hearing next week, the Chambers case is now being prosecuted by the Obama Justice Department; and
•Failure to finalize promised rules to bring transparency to federal science, protect scientists from retaliation and set up pathways for scientists to publish. Draft rules from the White House were due back in July but have yet to materialize.

a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

The freezes -and the issues- go FAR beyond the phoney climate change 'debate.' For the EPA alone:

AP/Bloomberg: Trump Admin Orders EPA Contract Freeze And Media Blackout

…”This decision could have damaging implications… from delaying testing for lead in schools to restricting efforts to keep drinking water clean to holding up much-needed funding to revitalize toxic brownfield sites,” Schumer said.

…In a test of what the new administration will tolerate, the official Twitter account of the Badlands National Park published a series of posts Tuesday accurately quoting climate science data that included the current record-setting high concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The tweets were soon deleted.

a reply to: soficrow

The point is that this is a political smokescreen to tax people. The scandal is out there and some people are confusing NASA with NOAA. They are two different agencies. NASA is confirming that NOAA’s manipulation of data is a fraud. Judicial Watch announced that it filed a lawsuit on December 2, 2015, in the Federal Court of the District of Columbia to seek records of communications from National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) officials regarding their methodology for collecting and interpreting data used in climate models. They are refusing to produce these records because it will reveal that climate change is a scam to grab taxes.

www.cnsnews.com...

originally posted by: soficrow

Sorry. I accidentally deleted my main reference from the Associated Press and Bloomberg.

No need to apologise... My post wasn't about you, it was about the IFLS link/headline you posted.

To clarify: This thread is NOT about climate change. Forget about climate change. Please!

Much scientific research runs counter to the corporate agenda, even medical research.

For example, extremely important medical research on epigenetic inheritance and prions is under fire. Why? Because the FACTS show that environmental changes, including contamination of our air, water, soil and food promote disease - and the research is investigating exactly how it works at the molecular level.

Corporate industry does not want that information to get out. They fear liability claims, regulation, increased costs for clean-up and more. They do NOT care about you or your health, or the proven and soon-to-be-proven effects of environmental contamination by industry. They just care about profits.

In the corporate paradigm, sick people are just collateral damage. Absolutely unimportant compared to profit.

Pancreatic cancer spread fueled by epigenetic changes, NOT genetic mutations

Environmentally triggered epigenetic effects are inheritable changes that do NOT involve DNA mutations. Here we have evidence about the epigenetically fuelled spread of pancreatic cancer.

a reply to: soficrow

My apologies, while reading through the entire thread I found references to climate change and the EPA and without going back and rereading the OP was sidetracked. I do agree that it is never a good idea to shut down dialogue in the scientific community or else where, it's what makes America a better place. Peace.

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: soficrow

The point is that this is a political smokescreen to tax people. The scandal is out there and some people are confusing NASA with NOAA. They are two different agencies. NASA is confirming that NOAA’s manipulation of data is a fraud. Judicial Watch announced that it filed a lawsuit on December 2, 2015, in the Federal Court of the District of Columbia to seek records of communications from National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) officials regarding their methodology for collecting and interpreting data used in climate models. They are refusing to produce these records because it will reveal that climate change is a scam to grab taxes.

www.cnsnews.com...

what a bunch of horse hockey!

nobody's hiding anything from you or anybody else regarding the science of climate change.

Scientists in China have confirmed man-made climate change is real.

Scientists in Europe have confirmed man-made climate change is real.

Scientists in Canada have confirmed man-made climate change is real.

Scientists in South America confirmed man-made climate change is real.

Scientists in Australia confirmed man-made climate change is real.

ALL of that data is abundantly available for anyone to go through any time.

Your assertion that climatologists are hiding anything from anybody is patently ridiculous, patently false, and patently absurd..

The only fraud being committed is by the big oil companies and their unwitting co-conspirators such as yourself

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: Byrd
Hey Sofi! Did you see that NASA scientists are also going rogue on Twitter?

Scientists are peaceable people...but we're also doggone devious if you irk us. I expect to see more of this in the future (perhaps rogue university accounts as well.)


(and some of us are better at Internet and computers than Donald Trump (who was warned by an ethical hacker) and Rudy Giuliani)

YES! What a relief.

Thank you for the links!

That particular NASA twitter account indulges in personal attacks against the President. They should make such attacks through their personal accounts, not 'alternative NASA' twitter accounts.

Apart from the fact that you have absolutely no credibility or authority to opine on what anyone on twitter should or should not do, you seem to be confused.

It is not "alternate NASA"...it is "Rogue NASA"..
and it is not an official NASA twitter account...it is in fact a personal account like you suggest.

Your post makes no sense..

As far as NASA employees using personal accounts to share information?
The public funds that information and has a right to it, despite the policy of despots.

a reply to: soficrow

Climate Change - Read It While You Can

a reply to: soficrow

I for sure do NOT support us paying for research to benefit for-profit corporations and not we-the-people.

The decades long goal of the far right ideology (which is finally becoming a reality under a Trump administration) is to "make govt small enough to drown in a bathtub". Defund govt, lower taxes to starve all functions of govt save military, police, and courts.

The decades long goal has been to turn over all to the "free market", to corporations. There will be no govt oversight, nothing to stand in the way of harmful corporate actions or products except going to court to sue. Science will now be totally the purview of the private sector. If corporate science says so, then it is.

There is no more "we-the-people", it is "we-the-consumer".

a reply to: Rosinitiate

An EO that creates law where there wasn't is an over step.

An EO that defines operational procedures is not an over step.

If you want to complain, complain about the enormous number of appointees who can dictate departmental policy. They were not elected, so why are they determining policy that effects my day to day life. The DEA's refusal to review marijuana's classification is an example of how unelected officials determine your day to day life.

Thats where there is tyranny. EO's are what we elect a president to do: create the operational standards within their administration.

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: soficrow

My apologies, while reading through the entire thread I found references to climate change and the EPA and without going back and rereading the OP was sidetracked. I do agree that it is never a good idea to shut down dialogue in the scientific community or else where, it's what makes America a better place. Peace.

Thank you.

a reply to: desert

There is no more "we-the-people", it is "we-the-consumer".

I know. But we don't have to buy it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The DEA's refusal to review marijuana's classification is an example of how unelected officials determine your day to day life.

That is why the federal govt will be dismantled, to include only the functions of military, police, and courts. States will be left up to determine things. If a state wants to keep marijuana in a class, it will be up to that state. If Big Pharma convinces state officials that marijuana must be banned, then that state bans it. The money spent to lobby fed govt will be (has been) turned onto state level.

There will no longer be any unifying law. A corporation that is allowed to pollute an upwind/upstream state can only be challenged in court by downwind/downstream states that are affected. Corporations have the money to do this, individuals and states don't.

a reply to: desert

The federal government has 3 tasks that it fails miserably at:

- defend our markets
- defend our currency
- defend our borders

I know that we were interventionist from our earliest days. And I know protectionism failed miserably last time it was tried. I also get Strauss Howe, and expected this to all come to pass in some form or fashion (although Trump has been fairly entertaining in the role of Herbert Hoover, a role which doesn't bode well for him or us).

But protectionism is an American ideal, and its counter to interventionism in my opinion.

Nonetheless, I would like to see our government protect our currency by stopping inflationary rot, protect our markets by ensuring solid regulation, and protecting our borders. Beyond that, all we need is general direction (ie, bill of rights) to ensure we have consistent treatment from state to state.

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: Byrd
Hey Sofi! Did you see that NASA scientists are also going rogue on Twitter?

Scientists are peaceable people...but we're also doggone devious if you irk us. I expect to see more of this in the future (perhaps rogue university accounts as well.)


(and some of us are better at Internet and computers than Donald Trump (who was warned by an ethical hacker) and Rudy Giuliani)

YES! What a relief.

Thank you for the links!

Apparently a few more rogue accounts have appeared.

It was about time we had this kind of revolution. And I agree that open access is needed - tracking down some of the papers I need to be a very frustrating exercise.

a reply to: soficrow

Science has been downgraded for years. It was great during the space program, but after 1980, national interest has dwindled, except in opposition to science. In education, science refers to getting a question correct on a test, a test Big Testing benefits from.

I don't see Americans getting upset over science being sold to them by corporations. Americans will buy what they view in media, whatever is advertised to them as what is good for them to buy. It is not govt propaganda, it is advertising, corporate propaganda. And corporations will no longer be challenged by a unifying law as to the truth or fraud in their advertising.

I guess I sound like a downer, but that is what I have observed happening. I wish it were different, but I can't say it is a sunny day when clouds cover the sun.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Nonetheless, I would like to see our government protect our currency by stopping inflationary rot, protect our markets by ensuring solid regulation, and protecting our borders. Beyond that, all we need is general direction (ie, bill of rights) to ensure we have consistent treatment from state to state.

Did you look at Trumps cabinet? Inflation is going to skyrocket and regulations on the corporatacracy are a thing of the past and cheap labor will continue to Trump any silly wall.

Capitalism morphed into Corporate fascism.