Will the europeans ever be powerful?

Originally posted by NoobCommando
BTW: I fully support war against Afganistan, Iraq and Iran, whether it be for money or peace, because that area has been in caos more or less since the day man occuped it - might as well get what we can now before they destroy themselves. Same goes for many of the African countries

Oh my God…I hope that’s a joke.

You do know the ‘Middle East’ was once the beacon of Civilization?

Have you ever heard of the ‘Egyptian Empire’?
Median Empire?
The Achaemenid Empire? (They made the first Human Rights law and that’s in the Iranian Area.)
Parthian Empire?

www.iranchamber.com...
www.countryreports.org...
www.albany.edu...

Go! Read something.

It is because of you, American’s and Western People get labelled as such idiots.

If you care not to read up on a Nation’s History, never comment upon it. Well done, today you showed how stupid English people could be and I had so much f’n hope for my countrymen.

Originally posted by Odium


Oh my God…I hope that’s a joke.

You do know the ‘Middle East’ was once the beacon of Civilization?


It is because of you, American’s and Western People get labelled as such idiots.

If you care not to read up on a Nation’s History, never comment upon it. Well done, today you showed how stupid English people could be and I had so much f’n hope for my countrymen.

So what's your point, over a thousand years ago they were a beacon of civilisation . So what, they have remained stagnant since then and if it wasn't for oil they'd still be roaming around the desert with their camels.

It is ridiculous bringing up events over a thousand years ago - they bare no relevence today. Let's face it Arab countries are guided be extremely antiquated and repressive rules.

Originally posted by devilwasp

I think they hate you since you seem to hate them, and the fact many are angered with what you do and for the reasons you do so.

[edit on 12-2-2005 by devilwasp]

The French are scum, they only do things when it is in their own i rests, without fail. Take 1996 for example when they cinducted a series of nuclear tests in the South Pacific. EVERY country in the pacific was against it, with strong diplomatic protestations. The test site had already cracked from previous tests releasing radiation - so what do the French do they let off 6 more nukes.
Oh yeah almost forgot they blew up the Greenpeace boat the Rainbow Warrior in NZ because it was sailing to the FRench test site to protest. SCUM.

Originally posted by rogue1
The French are scum, they only do things when it is in their own i rests, without fail. Take 1996 for example when they cinducted a series of nuclear tests in the South Pacific. EVERY country in the pacific was against it, with strong diplomatic protestations. The test site had already cracked from previous tests releasing radiation - so what do the French do they let off 6 more nukes.
Oh yeah almost forgot they blew up the Greenpeace boat the Rainbow Warrior in NZ because it was sailing to the FRench test site to protest. SCUM.

So its ok for the US to use nukes on boats then just give them back to the regular troops with just a quick wash?
Or what about supporting terror and giveing bio weapons, look mate america isnt exsactly the flawless diamond of the world you know.

This talk about hating some country people is in level of sandbox. I doubt many countrys "REALLY" hate many of those who they make fun at, example US and Canada make fun at each others, i think its totally healthy topic and same happens everywhere in the world, but some of you seem to make it really series as if EVERYONE hated you. Such paranoia is really unhealthy to you and everyone around you. Its easy to point fingers at other side of the world and make laughable remarks about them than critizice your own culture and way of life. Still i would rather look big picture and see none of us is so perfect, we got lot to learn from each others and still wont ever become perfect.

Would be pretty damn dull world if there was no critic, you dont have to directly agree it, but at least it gives something to think about and maybe rethink the thing you were about to do and make it different, still you cant please em all.

Sorry if this is a Little Late, But I havn't been on in a while

Most of those European nations are a fraction of the size of America. You can't name Russia, or a few other Eastern Europeans since they aren't part of the EU, and aren't likely to come to the aid of Western Europe. If you want to throw in Russia, then I'll start throwing in Canada and Mexico for the hell of it.

The EU is NOT Europe, Russia is appart of Europe and therefore comes into the equasion when you say "Will the EUROPEANS ever be powerful". Russia is one of the European countries, But not in the EU... Now please stop refering to Europe as the EU, The EU is purely a trading union, nothing more. Just because Russia is not in the EU doesn't mean its not appart of Europe.

So to throw Russia in to the Equasion is correct when applying to Europe... But Throwing Canada or Mexico into the Equasion when applied to the United States of America... Well thats pure B.S and you would be very wrong to think so. The EU is not Europe, Nor is it a "membership card" FOR Europe, So quit with the Ignorance.

rogue1, go read this;
www.usc.edu...

You might learn their are two different versions of Islam. Not just one.

Also, the facts and events of the passed are what shaped the world today. They're important in a lot of situations.

The fact you're so narrowminded and unable to see this shows you're either a)fascist or b)stupid.

The Middle East would actually still be a very civilized world, if it wasn't for the crusades and what Europe and America did. (E.G: Israel.)

You're kidding right, Odium?

At least when Western countries/empires fall, they don't become backwards, they still progress. If the Middle East didn't have oil, we would have allowed them to destroy themselves a long time ago

Also, I was an A* student in history, it was my favourite subject, along with maths, physics and ICT. I am neither fascist, nor stupid.

[edit on 13/2/05 by NoobCommando]

Originally posted by Odium

The fact you're so narrowminded and unable to see this shows you're either a)fascist or b)stupid.

The Middle East would actually still be a very civilized world, if it wasn't for the crusades and what Europe and America did. (E.G: Israel.)

Yes enlightened one

Yes I am soooo narrow minded, but probably the only person in this thread who has ever been to the MIddle East. These countries are backward, simple truth.
Oh the crusades are responsible for the state of the MIddle East today :lol truly laughable.

PS. I think your stupid and rather dull as well

Originally posted by devilwasp
So its ok for the US to use nukes on boats then just give them back to the regular troops with just a quick wash?
Or what about supporting terror and giveing bio weapons, look mate america isnt exsactly the flawless diamond of the world you know.

Ummm what is your point I was not referring to the US at all, merely citing how people view the French in the Pacific.

Regarding US tests, any boat subject to a test was either heavily damaged or sunk and the only test where this occured was Shot Able in 1946. If your talking about observation ships then they were thouroughly scrubbed if they accidentally got some fallout. The observation ships were kept downwind of the test so any irradiation would have been an accident.

Who did they give bioweapons to exactly - or are you just shooting off at the mouth again ?

I should be more PO'd at the British nuclear testing in my country, they couldn't make the bombs any dirtier if they tried. Oh yeah, that's right they killed a few aborigines as well.

rogue1.

Do research on weapon trade and you shall find your answers, it very common knowledge you know. Who gave Saddam bio technology and weapons is an obvious place to start.

On another note, I cannot believe this has come down to country bashing again. There is nothing wrong with the French, I am proud to have them as my neighbour and ally.

Originally posted by rogue1
Ummm what is your point I was not referring to the US at all, merely citing how people view the French in the Pacific.

No, you are insulting the french, takeing the side of america.

Regarding US tests, any boat subject to a test was either heavily damaged or sunk and the only test where this occured was Shot Able in 1946. If your talking about observation ships then they were thouroughly scrubbed if they accidentally got some fallout. The observation ships were kept downwind of the test so any irradiation would have been an accident.

Actually they wherent, Ive seen the video of actual test ships being given back to the crews.

Who did they give bioweapons to exactly - or are you just shooting off at the mouth again ?

That little country that we just invaded.

I should be more PO'd at the British nuclear testing in my country, they couldn't make the bombs any dirtier if they tried. Oh yeah, that's right they killed a few aborigines as well.

Yeah, britain is a real SOB for that isnt it, you forgot to mention how we built death camps and the such.
But yes you have every right to be more PO'd at britain, and frankly thats your right to do so , so go right ahead!

Originally posted by NoobCommando

At least when Western countries/empires fall, they don't become backwards, they still progress.

Also, I was an A* student in history, it was my favourite subject, along with maths, physics and ICT. I am neither fascist, nor stupid.

[edit on 13/2/05 by NoobCommando]

Roman Empire, Egyptian, Babylonian, British, list goes on. When each one of these Empires fell the Countries that were controlled/invaded fell backwards.

If you'd like a list of books that back me up, I can give them you?

Surely you are not that simple minded?

Look at it this way, over the last 2000 yrs, Western society has advanced significantly, whereas many Eastern/African, even some Asian countries are still lagging way behind. Blame it on the West as much as you like, but it is as much as their own making than it is ours.

The British, and many other Western Empires contributed significant technological advancementst, such as modern transport, education and better health care for the time. The Roman Empire was another Western Empire that contributed significantly to the World. What did these Eastern Empires contribute, besides countless gods and monuments? Not much!

The West continues to advance, whilst the East, Africa and some Asian countries continue on their backwards systems. Islam is one of the main problems for many of these countries. This is one of the reasons they have stagnated. We learned that we can not allow religion to control us. Don't get me wrong, there are many religious extremists in the West who want religion to control the government, but they are small groups and controllable to an extent.

Islam on the other hand and the people who practice it allow people like OBL to do what he does. Many are happy with what he does. They are on own crusade through infiltration. They out birth us by something like 3-fold. The day muslims control the West through infiltration will be the day mankind becomes nothing more than an animal again.

Like I said, the only thing preventing their destruction right now is the fact that they control significant amounts of oil.

Bit of a mixed bag here, so read carefully

[edit on 13/2/05 by NoobCommando]

Page 18 through to 31. Atlas of World History.

'By 5000 BC the development of more sophisticated agricultural techniques, such as irrigation and water control, had enabled farming communities to spread into southern Mesopatamia'

'Nine thousand years ago, visitors approaching Çatalhöyük from across a vast marshy plain would have seen hundreds of mud-brick dwellings on the slopes of an enormous settlement mound. The site's several thousand inhabitants would have been herding sheep or goats; hunting wild cattle (aurochs), horse, and deer; tending crops of peas, lentils, and cereals; or collecting wild plant foods such as tubers from the marshes. Some would have been bringing valuable raw materials to the site, such as obsidian from volcanic peaks to the northeast. In size and complexity, Çatalhöyük was unlike any other site in the world. The American archaeologist Walter Fairservis, Jr., writing in 1975, described it as a community "at the threshold of civilization.".'
www.archaeology.org...

Cities.

With farming came tools to farm with.

Yet, this whole 'Hunting-Farming' idea didn't happen in Europe till 1000years after the Middle East.

Africa even had irrigation and farming settlements before Europe did.

Those are a few smaller facts, go buy this book: Atlas of World History
You might learn some facts, instead of mouthing off time and time again.

I can keep pointing out more inventions from Asia/The Middle East, that we use still to this day. (Irrigation being one of the most important and also Cities, an idea that came about because of irrigation. Human rights, is anotehr.) But, I don't wish to waste anymore time on an A* Student, who should know all this.

Side Note: The British Empire actively kept 'Civilization' out of the Middle East/Asia, as much as they could. They never gave them any massive military advancements nor much else and took oil from them instead. OF course they'd be behind, us after we had done that.

And it'd be up to roughly 1500AD to 1600AD before the Middle East became worse technologically than Europe.

[edit on 13-2-2005 by Odium]

The EU is NOT Europe, Russia is appart of Europe and therefore comes into the equasion when you say "Will the EUROPEANS ever be powerful". Russia is one of the European countries, But not in the EU... Now please stop refering to Europe as the EU, The EU is purely a trading union, nothing more. Just because Russia is not in the EU doesn't mean its not appart of Europe.

So to throw Russia in to the Equasion is correct when applying to Europe... But Throwing Canada or Mexico into the Equasion when applied to the United States of America... Well thats pure B.S and you would be very wrong to think so. The EU is not Europe, Nor is it a "membership card" FOR Europe, So quit with the Ignorance.

Russia is barely part of Europe, and hasn't been since the beginning. They have as much relation with Asia. Russia isn't going to fight for Europe. Europe isn't going to fight for Russia.

The Middle East would actually still be a very civilized world, if it wasn't for the crusades and what Europe and America did. (E.G: Israel.)

The Crusades didn't weak the Arab world. What the hell are you talking about? They failed to progress with Europe, and they fell behind. It wasn't anyone elses fault but their own.

The Middle East hasn't always been a hell hole, but it sure as hell is now. It has been for the past few centuries.

Do research on weapon trade and you shall find your answers, it very common knowledge you know. Who gave Saddam bio technology and weapons is an obvious place to start

Really? I saw Saddam had a French nuclear reactor, along with Russian and French weapons. Most of the great aid we gave to Saddam was either just cash, or intelligence.

Actually, during the crusades we targetted many Cities. Burned them to the ground and destroyed the Irrigation within Iran, etc, etc. We forced them to either gather in massively fortified Cities or be nomadic.

I can give you a list of books that back me up? I don't use websites as any fool can make one.

But on one note, whenver the Crusaders took a City, it always ended up with Muslims being slaughtered. Yet, on several occasions the Muslim leaders let the christians stay in the Cities as long as they gave up their weapons and the soldiers would leave.

The Crusades were mostly failures. The Muslims at the time dominated the Europe in every way. Ever heard of the Ottoman and Persian Empires?

Russia is barely part of Europe, and hasn't been since the beginning. They have as much relation with Asia. Russia isn't going to fight for Europe. Europe isn't going to fight for Russia.

The IMPORTANT part of Russia is in Europe... The Asian part is the majority of Russian territory, But its only snowy barely habitable places, Such as Siberia, The thing is if America wanted to take out all of Europe, they would have to start on Russia.

Odium, that is to be expected if it was in fact the birth place of mankind, but what significant advancements have been made by these Eastern and African countries in the last 2000 yrs?

As for the British, why should they help them build up a military of their own? We were protecting them. We did provide better transport, education and health care, along with other technology they didn't have. Look at other former British colonies that weren't allowed militaries, they are now prospering ie. USA, Australia, Canada... these people helped themselves, so could have the populations of India, Africa, etc. but they choose not to!

Fact is, the Middle East, Africa and some Asian countries are backwards, and it seems they have choosen this. Again, blame the West for the Easts problems as much as you like, but it won't wash. The East have attacked the West and vic-versa, but we still progress.