Trump to name son-in-law Jared Kushner as special adviser

If you think about it, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are distant cousins, descended from John of Gaunt of the 14th century. Son in law is not a closer relative than that IMO.

originally posted by: [post=21736398]UKTruth

Doesn't seem like a big deal... and like I said, his lawyers will make sure all is well. I think you can relax.

Anytime you have to say the "Lawyers will make sure all is well"...that means someone is about get screwed..in this case the American People.

The constitution is not available for groping...

The law is clear...so is precedent..

Nepotism law does not apply to advisors. It only applies to positions required by Senate confirmation, such as secretaries, directors, administrators, and the attorney general. The president can name anyone as advisors.

originally posted by: Indigo5
that means someone is about get screwed..in this case the American People.

How so? How does Trump making his son-in-law an advisor, not even a member of his cabinet, just an advisor, screw the American people? I guess JFK royally screwed the American people, huh?

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Indigo5
that means someone is about get screwed..in this case the American People.

How so? How does Trump making his son-in-law an advisor, not even a member of his cabinet, just an advisor, screw the American people? I guess JFK royally screwed the American people, huh?

They are Senior Members of the Executive Office of the President...

Karl Rove was a Special Advisor, Valerie Jarrett was a Special Advisor and often they own or direct policy..

How to put this...What you call no big deal the right wing called "CZARS" during the Obama administration...Back when Russian Royal Tyrants had a negative connotation for them..

Either way they fall under the 1967 anti-nepotism law...

a reply to: Indigo5

So you can't come up with any reason of how this screws the American people, OK got it.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

The wealthy pay most of the taxes anyway.

Only the "little people pay taxes" ... acording to Leona Helmsy.

The wealthy don't pay taxes, only the middle class pays taxes.

The poor and the rich both receive handouts from the government and collect more than they pay in.

Why not get the 47% that don't pay taxes to pay taxes, right?

You must first earn money, before you can pay taxes.

When you earn high enough money, you pay lawyers and accountants to protect your income from the IRS, and Donald says this is just "being smart."

And he's the President.

Will he be happy, if we all become "smart" like him?

Then who will pay his $1 annual income as President?

originally posted by: BigTrumpFan
Nepotism law does not apply to advisors. It only applies to positions required by Senate confirmation, such as secretaries, directors, administrators, and the attorney general. The president can name anyone as advisors.

Trump's son-in-law is no adviser. He's there just to be close to the seat of power, so that he can "meet and greet" the power people from all around the world, in an effort to boost the family's "networking pool" for "developing business relationships".

Donald doesn't need him, to hear his views. Donald needs him, so Donald himself can stay at "arms-length" from the new business relations that emerge from the networking.

It is Donald, that will be telling this "adviser" what to do. Not the other way around.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: BigTrumpFan
Nepotism law does not apply to advisors. It only applies to positions required by Senate confirmation, such as secretaries, directors, administrators, and the attorney general. The president can name anyone as advisors.

Trump's son-in-law is no adviser. He's there just to be close to the seat of power, so that he can "meet and greet" the power people from all around the world, in an effort to boost the family's "networking pool" for "developing business relationships".

Donald doesn't need him, to hear his views. Donald needs him, so Donald himself can stay at "arms-length" from the new business relations that emerge from the networking.

It is Donald, that will be telling this "adviser" what to do. Not the other way around.

I doubt there would be many business people going in and out of the White House. If Jared wants to do that, he can do that at the Trump Tower. Much easier that way.

The name "Jared" in itself is interesting .

From the Hebrew name יָרֶד (Yared) or יֶרֶד (Yered) meaning "descent". This is the name of a close descendant of Adam in the Old Testament.

I have heard the name in 60's and 70's westerns, and is it not also like Superman's father? "Jarel?"

anyway, I like looking up strange names...

originally posted by: BigTrumpFan
I doubt there would be many business people going in and out of the White House. If Jared wants to do that, he can do that at the Trump Tower. Much easier that way.

Business in foreign nations doesn't get done without the foreign government's approval.

Jared doesn't need to meet foreign business men there, he can do that easily, hop on a plane and go to the foreign country.

What is needed, is the political connections, that "enable the business deals" to go through.

Business men pay "big money" for "introductions" to the people of power in a nations government.

It's what "lobbying" is all about. You've got to be close to the people of power to make the big bucks.

a reply to: Byrd

Starting with Joe Biden's sons appointment as director to a Ukranian gas company and right on through if you detailed all the relatives and friends of the current administration that secured their positions through nepotism or favouritism it would be a very large thread indeed and your not going to tell me Bush Jnr didn't take his fathers advice,Trump runs a family company and if this guy has the credentials and smarts why not hire him its better than the nest of vipers the Bildebergs,Neocons,Aipac and CFR have on offer.

a reply to: Byrd


The potential for conflict of interest is enormous! It's hard enough to trust Trump not to double dip with his own business interests, and now we have his son in law and his business interests!

a reply to: Byrd

No mystery more influence from the Khazar Frankist Mafia-----no, its not antisemitic-its fact.
100 bucks Pence is the SOKM like Biden was.

Imagine a world with no dogma and no agents dictating from the shadows

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Byrd

I guess I don't understand. If it's against the law, it will be pointed out and not allowed. If it's legal, and he clearly is a pretty sharp guy, then what exactly is the issue?

Thought you guys we're done with dynasties?

Perhaps I'm wrong on that.

an adviser doesn't mean a dynasty.
Its not like he assigned him as VP...
He trusts his opinion and believes his opinion has merit.

Who would you rather he surround himself with, Clinton cronies?

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: Byrd

In an arena with nothing but liars/fakes/thieves... I think surrounding yourself with family is the best idea one could have.

Perhaps the law exists so the liars and fakes can be the ones giving Donald the reports instead?

Came to write this, but found it quicker to star this quote.

I just came across this really weird news article,


Jared Kushner Will Sell Many of His Assets, but Ethics Lawyers Worry

Even with these measures, Mr. Kushner will still have links to his family’s empire, which owns property across the country and relies on often-opaque foreign money.

Recent maneuvers over the tower at 666 Fifth Avenue underscore the complications. On Saturday, The New York Times reported that Mr. Kushner had been negotiating to redevelop the building with Anbang Insurance Group, a Chinese financial firm with a murky ownership structure and state connections.

Then I remember the book of revelation,

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. -- KJV, Revelation 13:18

That number "666" is connected to a particular "man", it's his number. We all thought it was the number of his "name." That was the speculation over the ages. But, what if it's the number of his "address" ?

We now have a man with that number 666 entering the White House, where he will be advising the president on what to do.

And what does he do?

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: -- KJV, Revelation 13:16

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. -- KJV, Revelation 13:17

And that's EXACTLY what Trump plans to do. To mark the Muslims, make them register, to mark the undocumented, that none should buy or sell unless they are American Citizens ...etc....

Holy Christ...the bible unfolding right in front our eyes in exacting detail...

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
a reply to: Indigo5

So you can't come up with any reason of how this screws the American people, OK got it.

...or even how the law applies it seems.
The latest I heard is that it does not even apply to Whitehouse staff, only federal agency staff.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Byrd

I guess I don't understand. If it's against the law, it will be pointed out and not allowed. If it's legal, and he clearly is a pretty sharp guy, then what exactly is the issue?

Thought you guys we're done with dynasties?

Perhaps I'm wrong on that.

an adviser doesn't mean a dynasty.
Its not like he assigned him as VP...
He trusts his opinion and believes his opinion has merit.

Who would you rather he surround himself with, Clinton cronies?

The President of he United States has a virtually unlimited pool of experts and geniuses across the political spectrum to choose from to inform his decisions and policy. The premise that his daughters husband happens to be his best choice fails. It is cronyism, nepotism and just plain dumb. It is why the law was made in the first place. Trump even said he might task his son in law to negotiate peace between Israel and the Palestinians..ya know..cuz he is a Jew..It is just ridiculous.

The Penalty for the law is being stripped of pay or compensation..

So Trump will say Jared wont accept pay ..

But I have read law professors explain that also might make any policy or legislation driven by Jared "Void"...The fruit of an illegal appointee.

Trump will also likely cite how the GOP tried to sue HRC as wife of Bill Clinton being the defacto advocate for healthcare reform back in the 90's and how the court allowed it...

...but he wont mention that the court determined that HRC was not an Advisor and she was acting in her capacity as first lady and first lady's are permitted to have their "Causes".

Apples to Oranges. A first Lady is First Lady...and an appointee is an appointee.

I will be blunt..I believe their will be legal challenges to this and I think they will be valid although they will take a while to work through the courts. Whatever your politics...this needs to be slapped down.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
a reply to: Indigo5

So you can't come up with any reason of how this screws the American people, OK got it.

...or even how the law applies it seems.
The latest I heard is that it does not even apply to Whitehouse staff, only federal agency staff.

Have you not read the thread?

Or are you interjecting the "what I heard" nonsense in hopes of confusing facts?

(2) “public official” means an officer (including the President and a Member of Congress), a member of the uniformed service, an employee and any other individual, in whom is vested the authority by law, rule, or regulation, or to whom the authority has been delegated, to appoint, employ, promote, or advance individuals, or to recommend individuals for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement in connection with employment in an agency; and

(3) “relative” means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

(b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.

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