How do you feel about Trump getting cozy with Russia and Putin.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: JoeP2247
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is a traitor.

He is a traitor now, he will be a traitor tomorrow and he will always be a traitor.

Cannot change those stripes.

What makes him a traitor?

Are you expecting a coherent answer?

Why are Americans supposed to hate Russia anyway? I don't get it, why are they the bad guys? Because they run a different type of government?

How does Russia as a country affect American citizens, and why is it a problem not to have a problem with them?

When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, at the very height of the Cold War, even then I knew I didn't hate the Russians.

I hated their government, but the people I felt sorry for.

Now, I see no reason to hate their government. Is it perfect? No. But then, no government of ANY country is perfect, so that argument is null and void.

The left wants us to hate them, because they are against globalism. If they are against it, I'm on their side on that issue. IMO one of the most important things facing this world that needs stopped in its tracks.

Russia knows this, Trump knows this, I'm good.

Putin is a dictator, no doubt about that. He made Duma change president term from 4 years to 6 years. Who the f does that? Russia has no one standing up to him. He think he's the new tsar or something?

a reply to: Iscool

Nope but tell me how he got his money to start??

Do you know he would actually have been a whole lot richer if he had put his money into savings or GolD??? He underperformed financially.

a reply to: neo96

Well as my pappy use to say.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Or if you prefer.
Keep your friends close.
Keep your enemies closer.

that's my thoughts, trump is saying one thing and planning and going to do another.
in other words trump is playin ol vald.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Remember when Russia invaded Georgia?

Russian - Gerogia Crisis

Sure we might have been pushing Georgia to join NATO, but Putin and Russia are the ones that have issue and don't want to live in harmony with NATO.

Just as I stated in my last post I think the thing that a lot of people aren't taking into account is the fact that Putin and his government are the ones that have an issue with NATO. Not the other way around.

Putin is the one that sees NATO as a threat, Putin and his government are challenging the World Order. Putin and his government want to see US influence diminished in Europe and East Europe.

Trump and Putin's views are similar when it comes to NATO. While this isn't a discussion on NATO and whether it still serves a purpose is mute.

The point of the matter is that Putin is the one that has a problem with NATO, not the other way around. Putin has an issue with American Influence in Europe and the world.

Putin wants to see Russia in America's position. Trump will only help Putin obtain his goals.

Better to keep your stated enemies closer than the sneaky ones.

a reply to: gpols

If Trump plays his cards right with Putin and doesn't have worry about the Russians, he can focus on China which is both an economic and political threat at this point. If Trump gives Putin what he wants on the agreement that Russia supports America as an ally, that could be really powerful.

If America and Russia team up against China, and Japan is allowed to rearm maybe even get nukes, that should keep them at bay over Taiwan and the South China Sea.
I no longer see Russia as a foe, but a potential ally, and very strong one at that.

Trump is smarter than Obama or Romney when it comes to Russia.
And people like McCain need to realize the cold war ended when the Soviet Union fell apart.

originally posted by: JoeP2247
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is a traitor.

He is a traitor now, he will be a traitor tomorrow and he will always be a traitor.

Cannot change those stripes.

I assume that was simply a childish rant but, if you have any proof that Trump is a "traitor" I would love to see it.

Much more comfortable with Trumps relationship with Russia than Hillarys relationship with Saudi's.

originally posted by: Kettu
Eight years ago:

"Obama makes us look weak on his 'apology tour'! Russia is laughing at us!"

Six years ago:

"Obama needs to stand up to Russia and be tougher with Putin! Obama is letting Russia and Putin walk all over America!"

Today:

"Obama is acting like a baby, and threatening WWIII by these petty accusations against Russia! Russia is our ally and an example of how we should be!"

There's some massive, straight up Orwellian doublespeak going on in this country right now.

Doublespeak is the only way people can keep the cognitive dissonance (two opposing views at the same time) away, and from causing mental break downs.

Those swept up in this whole cult-like identity politics thing are having to leave their brains and patriotism at the door for this one...

Think of it this way. Obama and Putin are High School students. Obama saw Putin's strength, how respected he was and his power and Obama bent over to take it. For all these years, when push came to shove...there was Obama bending over ready to accept. Then...just a few days before High School is over and Obama never has to deal with Putin again...he starts throwing rocks.

So...it isn't so much two different views, it is the notion and I would say fact that Obama is a "neutered cat" and should go crawl into a hole, sucking his thumb and get out of the spotlight as quickly as possible.

originally posted by: Kettu
Eight years ago:

"Obama makes us look weak on his 'apology tour'! Russia is laughing at us!"

Six years ago:

"Obama needs to stand up to Russia and be tougher with Putin! Obama is letting Russia and Putin walk all over America!"

Today:

"Obama is acting like a baby, and threatening WWIII by these petty accusations against Russia! Russia is our ally and an example of how we should be!"

There's some massive, straight up Orwellian doublespeak going on in this country right now.

Doublespeak is the only way people can keep the cognitive dissonance (two opposing views at the same time) away, and from causing mental break downs.

Those swept up in this whole cult-like identity politics thing are having to leave their brains and patriotism at the door for this one...

Those weren't election years.

Today we just had one and his party lost, and just trying to make Russia the scapegoat.

I wonder why it took 8 years for Obama to grow a backbone.

a reply to: JoeP2247

Trump is a traitor.

Is that so ?

According to Article III section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

en.wikipedia.org...

Trump critics need to get that the kangaroo courts of public opinion isn't a court of law.

Furthermore CONJECTURE isn't fact.

Now since the 'witness' are nothing but political appointees of the presidents party.

Since the main stream news are nothing but propaganda outlets of the state.

Trump critics have EXACTLY JACK SNIP.

The burden of proof are on yall, and PROVE in a court of LAW beyond ALL resonable doubt in front of a jury of his peers.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kettu
Eight years ago:

"Obama makes us look weak on his 'apology tour'! Russia is laughing at us!"

Six years ago:

"Obama needs to stand up to Russia and be tougher with Putin! Obama is letting Russia and Putin walk all over America!"

Today:

"Obama is acting like a baby, and threatening WWIII by these petty accusations against Russia! Russia is our ally and an example of how we should be!"

There's some massive, straight up Orwellian doublespeak going on in this country right now.

Doublespeak is the only way people can keep the cognitive dissonance (two opposing views at the same time) away, and from causing mental break downs.

Those swept up in this whole cult-like identity politics thing are having to leave their brains and patriotism at the door for this one...

Those weren't election years.

Today we just had one and his party lost, and just trying to make Russia the scapegoat.

I wonder why it took 8 years for Obama to grow a backbone.

Michelle was using it...along with the testicles.

originally posted by: gpols
Just as I stated in my last post I think the thing that a lot of people aren't taking into account is the fact that Putin and his government are the ones that have an issue with NATO. Not the other way around.

Putin is the one that sees NATO as a threat, Putin and his government are challenging the World Order. Putin and his government want to see US influence diminished in Europe and East Europe.

Trump and Putin's views are similar when it comes to NATO. While this isn't a discussion on NATO and whether it still serves a purpose is mute.

The point of the matter is that Putin is the one that has a problem with NATO, not the other way around. Putin has an issue with American Influence in Europe and the world.

Putin wants to see Russia in America's position. Trump will only help Putin obtain his goals.

OK...you're on the right track. Now...considering that Trump is a businessman and that the USA has so many enemies (small but still there), how would a businessman handle that?

See!

i feel its time to start making friends wirh the other super powers much less chance of nuclear hell if us russia and china are allies . then the three of us could stop the bulling of the world by saudi arabia and its multiple proxy wars they are funding. also it would be a big benefit to the space industry if we really trying to get off planet to mars it will take an international effort.

If Trump is lucky, Putin might give him technology like PAK FA and T-14. US military equipment is really outdated.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
Much better about this than Obama getting cozy with globalists and terrorist sponsoring countries.

And the terrorists themselves that Obama-DNC-Clintons Created and are flooding the world with. To destabilize and take over (including the USA).