Trump Supporters Have Banded Together to Kill me

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: underwerks

You know it's spelled unprecedented, right???

Jaden

Um, yeah, that's why I spelled it like Trump did.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
Screenshots, or it didn't happen

If I give you screenshots I'm going to have to edit out a lot of the conversation for personal details, then people will just rip it apart thinking I'm changing the meaning by editing it out. Its a lose-lose situation.

Please, by all means, be skeptical. I wouldn't expect anything less. This whole situation kind of puts a damper on my time I should be enjoying because I have to always watch my back. But it is what it is. Its not the end of the world.

Personally, I would tell your "friends" that if they don't like what you're posting, they are free to exercise their right to free speech by engaging in civil dialog. Then I would inform that that I was forwarding their post to the local authorities, and that I perceived it as a threat of violence, which is indeed what it sounds like.

Anonymous people on the internet aren't worth worrying about .People you know, who know where you live, are.

You can't actually have a lot of civil discussions with people where I'm from. I know that sounds horrible but its the truth. The end of every disagreement is a physical confrontation.

It took me a few years after moving away before I could actually discuss something without getting emotionally involved and trying to start a fight as the end result. That's just how everyone is raised, its the prevailing attitude, and no one sees at as something bad or out of the normal.

Some people feel offended that someone else made them think by talking about something. I know that sounds like a bad joke but sadly, its the truth.

Where were you raised? It sounds like the monkey house at the zoo.

originally posted by: underwerks
Lol at the title. I know its a little melodramatic, but it's not far from the truth. Before I get started I want to say I know not all Trump supporters are like this.

Most are good people who just want what's best for themselves and what they want the country to be. However misguided that view is in my eyes it doesn't mean they're bad people. I don't want the hate from my experience to be amplified out onto anyone else.

The question I wanted to ask was: Has anyone else been threatened with violence over their political views?

After I posted a joking article on Facebook making fun of Trump's unpresidented spelling of the word unpresidented, after a brief exchange, someone I had known from high school commented, saying there's a lot of people angry about the things I've been writing and they're all going to get together to "teach me a lesson" while I'm back home for the holidays.

I'm not nervous about it, but it's definitely something I'll have to think about while I'm going about my business while back there.

I see it as just a consequence of free speech. Yeah, I might get dragged out in a field and beat with 2x4's for speaking bad about Trump. There's going to be people riding around looking for me to do that or worse most of the time probably. From some of the messages I've got, I'm pretty sure that's a guarantee.

A lot of people talk about the brownshirts, but in my case they're real. And something I have to think about because I have an unpopular opinion, and I'm not afraid to speak it.

Freedom of speech, isn't freedom from speech.

OMG welcome to what conservative people have been dealing with for almost 20 years. Sucks to suck doesn't it?

Seriously though, what has happened is that conservatives (but not - actually alt right peops) are just giving back the medicine. It's human, it's yin and yang, high and low tide.

"Most are good people who just want what's best for themselves and what they want the country to be. However misguided that view is in my eyes it doesn't mean they're bad people. I don't want the hate from my experience to be amplified out onto anyone else." a reply to: underwerks

Could you explain what this means. How are individual views about how they want the country to be misguided? We all have our own ideas, but considering others views as misguided is quite close minded. I hope I am just mis-reading this.

originally posted by: ConstitutionalPatriot
How are individual views about how they want the country to be misguided?

There are lots of ways they COULD BE misguided. It is, in fact, quite possible for individual views regarding public policy to be misguided.

a reply to: Greggers

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I mean, each individuals ideas are valid. Which ones are valid and which ones are invalid? My main question is, who determines which is which?

Thanks to Dan Quayle I still cannot spell potato correctly without looking it up.

originally posted by: ConstitutionalPatriot
a reply to: Greggers

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I mean, each individuals ideas are valid. Which ones are valid and which ones are invalid?

For starters, invalid and misguided have two different meanings.

Validity has a very specific definition in philosophy: www.iep.utm.edu...

Misguided is more subject to personal interpretation.

My main question is, who determines which is which?

We all do. We each have our own personal opinions about what is misguided. Some of these are independently verifiable by any impartial observer, while others are hopelessly tangled in complex cause/effect scenarios.

As an example of the former:

Let's say you want to create a law that will elect to feed the poor only when 2+2 = 5. You will have a computer adding 2 +2 until the end of time, and every time the result is 5, you'll put one penny into the coffer to feed poor people.

If your goal is to actually feed poor people, your law is misguided, as 2+2 will never equal anything but 4.

If your goal is to NOT feed poor people, your law is still misguided, because there's no reason to waste electricity and CPU cycles doing something meaningless.

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: underwerks
Lol at the title. I know its a little melodramatic, but it's not far from the truth. Before I get started I want to say I know not all Trump supporters are like this.

Most are good people who just want what's best for themselves and what they want the country to be. However misguided that view is in my eyes it doesn't mean they're bad people. I don't want the hate from my experience to be amplified out onto anyone else.

The question I wanted to ask was: Has anyone else been threatened with violence over their political views?

After I posted a joking article on Facebook making fun of Trump's unpresidented spelling of the word unpresidented, after a brief exchange, someone I had known from high school commented, saying there's a lot of people angry about the things I've been writing and they're all going to get together to "teach me a lesson" while I'm back home for the holidays.

I'm not nervous about it, but it's definitely something I'll have to think about while I'm going about my business while back there.

I see it as just a consequence of free speech. Yeah, I might get dragged out in a field and beat with 2x4's for speaking bad about Trump. There's going to be people riding around looking for me to do that or worse most of the time probably. From some of the messages I've got, I'm pretty sure that's a guarantee.

A lot of people talk about the brownshirts, but in my case they're real. And something I have to think about because I have an unpopular opinion, and I'm not afraid to speak it.

Freedom of speech, isn't freedom from speech.

OMG welcome to what conservative people have been dealing with for almost 20 years. Sucks to suck doesn't it?

Seriously though, what has happened is that conservatives (but not - actually alt right peops) are just giving back the medicine. It's human, it's yin and yang, high and low tide.

"giving back the medicine" ???

In no way, shape or form is it ok (for conservatives or liberals) to engage in malice or any form of threatening remarks to anyone bc of a different belief.

If that is what you got in the past, i feel sorry for you have kept bad company...this is not normal behavior.

originally posted by: ConstitutionalPatriot
a reply to: Greggers

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I mean, each individuals ideas are valid. Which ones are valid and which ones are invalid? My main question is, who determines which is which?

Everyone's ideas and views are valid to themselves of course, just some are misguided and some lack values...

example:

1) If your goal is to make as much money as possible, but this process makes the rich get richer and the poor lose their insurance...and get poorer...and you are aware of this...then your views are valid and not misguided.

2) If you want lots of $$ but are not aware of what gets you there (the poor getting the shaft)...then your views are valid but misguided.

3) If making a few thousand extra dollars does not matter to you bc you would rather it be pumped into the economy...let the poor keep their insurance, keep the gap between the rich and the poor lesser...then not only are your views valid but also not misguided.


The only difference between #1 and #3 are values. #1 values $$ over life while #2 values the quality of life for everyone over $$.

Both valid in thought yet differ in values.

In so many words you can lessen it to:

#1 cares about themselves while keeping a blind eye to the rest of the world and what is best for the economy and America while #3 cares about the economy and whats best for America.

#2 is just misguided

I would like to add that taking care of yourself and your family should always be a priority, there is no shame in that. However, politically speaking, it should not be such a priority in that it causes the death of others due to loss of benefits or health insurance.

I would also like to add that the small percentage of scum that take advantage of the system is not who I speak of when caring about America as a whole...that is a small percentage and not worth our anxiety. I am speaking of the handicapped, our veterans, the poor, the mentally handicapped, our children and our elderly. If our government takes from us to improve their lives...then that is how it should work.

a reply to: underwerks

I don't believe you. Post a screen shot of the threat or, as they say, no picture didn't happen.

a reply to: underwerks

I think he is fuking with you. Trump supporters are the most tolerant. I mean we had to put up with the fake paid violent agitators and well funded verbal abuse from the left. Not to mention deal with the numerous fake attacks leftists accuse of Trump supporters.

Trump supporters actually enjoy watching the leftists cry as they try to plot new plans to stop Trump and fail.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
Screenshots, or it didn't happen

If I give you screenshots I'm going to have to edit out a lot of the conversation for personal details, then people will just rip it apart thinking I'm changing the meaning by editing it out. Its a lose-lose situation.

Please, by all means, be skeptical. I wouldn't expect anything less. This whole situation kind of puts a damper on my time I should be enjoying because I have to always watch my back. But it is what it is. Its not the end of the world.

Go ahead and edit it, people just want to know it's real and not a hoax.

a reply to: Greggers

You are correct. This is what I was getting at here. The problem with this scenario is that most times, the people calling others misguided have never been put in a life situation that requires a different view point. I have personally seen how people will make a decision without knowing who or what it will hurt. In that view, how can one person judge what it misguided and what isn't? The greatest people I have ever met don't make a decision without first asking, "What will be the end result here?" Unfortunately, most people don't look at problems from this perspective.

a reply to: underwerks

Another fake story...

originally posted by: ConstitutionalPatriot
a reply to: Greggers

You are correct. This is what I was getting at here. The problem with this scenario is that most times, the people calling others misguided have never been put in a life situation that requires a different view point. I have personally seen how people will make a decision without knowing who or what it will hurt. In that view, how can one person judge what it misguided and what isn't? The greatest people I have ever met don't make a decision without first asking, "What will be the end result here?" Unfortunately, most people don't look at problems from this perspective.

That is why most people are misguided. It is human nature to only think of yourself and not ask questions. It takes a higher level of understanding and compassion to ask "what will be the end result".

Many politicians do not want you to ask these important questions.

There are also people living amongst us who know what the end result is and still choose to make the decision to break up families or take away someones healthcare leading to death of the poor and those with cancer. That is the scary thought, we have to live with these people.

Don wants to change the tax table to give the extremely rich more money. I have to give up my few thousand dollars a year (i am a single mother) and have that NOT go to the poor, elderly, sick, but to the rich. If he can do this without taking away healthcare and social security, its not as bad but we will see.

a reply to: veracity

So you haven't actually read his tax plan?

I believe you. Because I come from a town where I've seen anti-Trump Republican friends and their young children threatened online by local Neo-Nazis...er I mean, "Alt-Right people", for being Republican but refusing to vote for Trump.

Carry a knife.