Trump please reign in the spirit of the Pilgrim Fathers

a reply to: galien8

My Christian Dualism is for whole mankind, has nothing to do with Nationalism

Perhaps the invoking of Pilgrim Fathers aka Puritan Separatists (iconoclastic non-multiculturalists) threw me off.

As you wrote, the 6 commandments (generally decent behavior and attitude) pre-date Christianity.

a reply to: pthena

The CIA-democrat conspiracy bit put me off, I mean sure the last 6 are good. I remember in my geography class a teacher had the native American version of commandments.

They are good, they are written into law.

Only an act of God would threaten ideals such as though shall not kill or steal from being a part of law and threads in the fabric of society.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: galien8

so-because the last 6 have some merit-we have to swallow the first 4 too ?

good question! I don't know what to do with the first 4, maybe they are some kind of shell around the core (the other six), a protection shield, so the core never gets touched or damaged, however I try to keep the first 4 too, since I consider my self Christian

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: galien8

so-because the last 6 have some merit-we have to swallow the first 4 too ?

good question! I don't know what to do with the first 4, maybe they are some kind of shell around the core (the other six), a protection shield, so the core never gets touched or damaged, however I try to keep the first 4 too, since I consider my self Christian

MY DYING WORDS:

...the core, the core, the core...

a reply to: RAY1990

Only an act of God would threaten ideals such as though shall not kill or steal from being a part of law and threads in the fabric of society.

Those commandments instill the unnatural idea of property rights, which can only lead to war. In an attempt to counter that fact, the commandments conveniently outlaw "envy" of the property owner....a concept completely antithetical to Western Capitalism.

No one "owns" the fruit that grows on the tree or the land that its roots are grounded in. Not really. That's a false construct and it's against natural law.

A man doesn't own his wife and children. Slavery, even of animals, is inherently destructive to the whole idea of spirituality that the Bible and the 10 Commandments pretend to protect and promote.

The 10 Commandments mark the beginning of when society went wrong, and the end of mankind's connection with natural law.

There's reason Moses broke those allegorical "stone tablets", scored by "God's finger". "God's Law" is written on your heart, exhaled in your breath and digesting in your stomach. The only thing written in stone is the steadfast reality of "Mother Nature", which the 10 Commandments is at odds with.

originally posted by: galien8
spread the 10 Commandments

Try forcing Trump to spread Commandment 6 down the world military complex who kill innocent civilians everyday.

And bring Jesus into it who said 'Those who live by the sword, die by the sword', who will all get Judged by their victims and damned to hell on Judgement Day.

a reply to: galien8

ny problem is - i has no issues with you or anyone else electing to follow the first 4 - or any other religious dogma for that matter - its your life - yoour choice

my problem starts when people start to attemtp to enforce thier religious dogma on society as a whole with laws and regulations that pander too and enforce what should be OPTIONAL rules of a religious nature

a classic example of this over reach that permetates many societies = " sunday trading laws "

they are entirely religious in origin - and serve no purpose other than to advance religious control on society

**a reply to: galien8

I don't know what to do with the first 4, maybe they are some kind of shell around the core (the other six),

Now that I look at it again, I am of the opinion that there is a 5-5 split rather than 4-6. The 5th speaks also of a land being given.
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The first 5 words identify the gods and the people and a land.
"And the gods spoke all these words saying:
I am Yahweh your God,
Who brought you out of Egypt,
out of the house of slavery."

Confronted by these words, a person may well ask, "Are these words addressed to me or to someone else?"
Someone else, I would have to reply, for neither I nor my forefathers came out of slavery from Egypt. Maybe some one else did at some time.

Some people may say, "Come, join with us. We will be one people. Our gods will be your gods. Our land will be your land. Our laws will be your laws." That sounds rather generous.

Some other people may say, "Know your place. We will be priests for our God, and mediate to you what you must do for us and our God. You owe us earthly goods and lands in exchange for abstract concepts." That sounds rather less generous.

a reply to: windword

Squirrel says:

From the Sunrise my people came,
brought here by the tall ones.

We are not fully at home here,
yet not fully apart.

You tall ones are maybe
like that too.
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That's the Eastern Gray Squirrel that lives around where I live. Considered to be an invasive specie, introduced in the West in 1925. They seem to thrive regardless of human activity, living in the same habitats. The native Western Gray Squirrels are on the endangered list. They don't thrive around humans.

Sometimes I feel akin to the Eastern Gray, invasive. I was born here, though my people came from the rising Sun(East).

a reply to: pthena

LOL.I lost you at

Squirrel

a reply to: zosimov

So you need a book to tell you not to do those things? Common sense tells me not to. Apparently some are so morally challenged they need directions.

Christianity is paradoxically the religion of the Antichrist, Paul, and not of Jesus.

The religion of Jesus is Islam.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RAY1990

Only an act of God would threaten ideals such as though shall not kill or steal from being a part of law and threads in the fabric of society.

Those commandments instill the unnatural idea of property rights, which can only lead to war. In an attempt to counter that fact, the commandments conveniently outlaw "envy" of the property owner....a concept completely antithetical to Western Capitalism.

No one "owns" the fruit that grows on the tree or the land that its roots are grounded in. Not really. That's a false construct and it's against natural law.

A man doesn't own his wife and children. Slavery, even of animals, is inherently destructive to the whole idea of spirituality that the Bible and the 10 Commandments pretend to protect and promote.

Paul ordered Christian slaves to treat their master as God and not as a man.

Seriously.

The 10 Commandments mark the beginning of when society went wrong, and the end of mankind's connection with natural law.

There's reason Moses broke those allegorical "stone tablets", scored by "God's finger". "God's Law" is written on your heart, exhaled in your breath and digesting in your stomach. The only thing written in stone is the steadfast reality of "Mother Nature", which the 10 Commandments is at odds with.

I think breaking the tablets of the law was a dramatic way of saying they broke the law, that whole story ends with the death of the offenders after Moses intoxicated them with powdered gold in water and had them slaughtered.

I don't rate that as the actions of good man or a good god.

a reply to: galien8

I am not a jew so those rules don't really apply to me.

That said, most of the ten commandments are really just "good ideas" about how to live a happy life and love other people.

It's not even remotely a conspiracy. It is a power imbalance.

Those in power don't have to follow any of them. Including church leaders, obviously.

I'll fight to the death to prevent a Christian theocracy on my home soil, however. This land is my land too.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RAY1990

The 10 Commandments mark the beginning of when society went wrong, and the end of mankind's connection with natural law.

There's reason Moses broke those allegorical "stone tablets", scored by "God's finger". "God's Law" is written on your heart, exhaled in your breath and digesting in your stomach. The only thing written in stone is the steadfast reality of "Mother Nature", which the 10 Commandments is at odds with.

Please convince me that you are not completely animal

originally posted by: Tristran

originally posted by: galien8
spread the 10 Commandments

Try forcing Trump to spread Commandment 6 down the world military complex who kill innocent civilians everyday.

The 10 Commandments are a blueprint a template, one needs to fill in with one's own honor and consciousness, one may kill out of defense ...an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth... defense needs to be of the magnitude of the attack, so if some one tries to break your leg break his arms and legs, if someone tries to kill you kill him and all who companies him (his aiding and abetting fellows)

OK, a word about the title of your thread.

I suspect you think it says something that it doesn't really say.

You need to understand this very significant point: American Presidents DO NOT "reign" - they "administer". I am pretty sure we can all give thanksgiving for that Founding Fathers point of wisdom. So having ruled out (pun intended) the royal reign of King Donald, I guess we have to read the words in your title as saying that you want the next President to "reign in" the "spirit of the Pilgrim Fathers". Now that sentiment I could have a bit of sentiment for. There is much too much bogus "spirit of the Pilgrim Fathers" being invoked.

Every time someone gets a burr under their saddle they invoke the "spirit of the Pilgrim Fathers" to justify their unjustifiable reactionary whinge. The propaganda that the "Pilgrim Fathers" came here to escape Religious Persecution is just that: propaganda.

They came here to ESCAPE Religious Tolerance!

The Established Church of England refused to accede to their 'puritan' demands so they went elsewhere - where they could FORCE all those around them to adhere to their religious practices - and they killed anybody who objected.

And anyway, the "Pilgrims" were NOT the founders of this country.

There were 13 original States: among them were Maryland which had an Established Church defined in their Constitution - Roman Catholic - which would have been anathema to the Pilgrim colonists; and Georgia which was a prison colony. The loss of Georgia as a dumping ground for all the British horrible criminals (starving bread thieves most of them - and mostly Roman Catholic Irish or Roman Catholic Jacobite Scots) led Britain to establish new prison colonies in Australia.

Finally, calling on Trump to point the country in God's direction (what ever you might think that is) is beyond futile. I can't believe that there are some folks who couldn't see through the pornocracy of his early campaign claims to being a Bible fan. That is just ludicrous.

a reply to: galien8

By the way, where are the other 603 Commandments?

a reply to: galien8

OK we can have a common believe in the 10 Commandments in the population, OK carried by religion, and still have separation between Church and State, as long as our president is a believer, and acts in the spirit of the Pilgrim Fathers and the 10 Commandments

So I assume you voted for Clinton, a life long committed Methodist.

Because Trump is a life long committed adulterer, usurer, and hypocrite who uses connections to the greedy and hypocritical leaders of faith groups the way Pilate used the Sanhedrin.

originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: galien8

By the way, where are the other 603 Commandments?

Sorry, but there are 666 other commandments