Carrier Union Boss: Trump is Lying His A** Off

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: reldra

Your info is a little off. The 350 is not Carrier, it's another company, Rexnord.

Jones added that Trump should also help the 350 workers at an Indianapolis plant owned by another company, Rexnord, which is also slated to move to Mexico. Workers there are also members of USW Local 1999.

800 jobs saved and 300 never leaving according to CNN

To get the higher number, Carrier and Trump are counting 300 administrative and engineering jobs at a different facility in Indianapolis that were never at risk of being shipped to Mexico.

Where did you pick up the 550 number from?

Silver lining is that 800 minimum jobs were saved.

He stated he also thought Trump might help those at Rexnord. Carrier has laid off 550 of the 1100 in order to hire in Mexico and 350 were never leaving to begin with. Even with the odd numbers, at most just under 300 US jobs were saved.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: odzeandennz

He's a 'glass half full kind of guy'.

You seem like a "take the glass and smash it if you dont like it" kind of girl

No, you are incorrect.

Well I know you about as well as you know Trump so theres a good chance everything you think about him is incorrect as well

I have facts, you have nothing.

a reply to: reldra

I can't watch the video, just going by the source. Are the 550 mentioned in the vid?

You say 300 saved but your source and Trump say different. Just trying to get all the ducks in a row here.

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
You can b itch about the union all you want. The reality is that many of those "trump"ed up numbers was a lie and that many of those 1100 jobs and Trump just committed corporate welfare at our expensive to the tune of $7 million to save 200 jobs (again 500 of them were already slated to stay before the deal).

We got hosed.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: MediaCensor
a reply to: reldra

Do you have another source? CNN is fake news.

It is a taped interview with the Union head. You go find your own source.

Oh , with a Union head . As in talking head ? A Union that takes the dues from folks and gives them to the DNC ? Dues that are meant to help Union employees in times of need? That Union ? That talking head ?

Shop steward for 10 years....

You must have not read or misunderstood.... This man would be totally dedicated to the party. He has a "vested interest" in the DNC. To bring him favors in return. Of course he is going o spout "stuff" out of his craphole...
I guess some misguided folks believe....

originally posted by: Gothmog
You didnt read it all , or as usual dont get it...read again

Perhaps she's become afflicted with that "reading comprehension" thing she keeps diagnosing others with lately.

originally posted by: reldra
CNN Money

It appears the 1100 number is completely wrong.

At the 2.01min mark onwards, he says that there are 1100 jobs remaining and that they were never leaving in the first place. He then says 500 jobs from one area and 700 jobs from another will go to Mexico.

So, it could be construed that Trump ran with the 1100 jobs staying meme, which has just been backed-up by the Union boss but that he (trump) left out the devil in the details that 1200 jobs were heading south.

It could also be construed that had Trump not shone the spotlight on Carrier and despite what the Union boss says (who is not privy to company decisions), 2,300 jobs could have potentially been heading south.

This sounds like the weirdest way to ask Trump to keep the 1200 jobs from leaving to Mexico, unless the Union boss gets a big kick-back, like what happens in other union-dominated industries.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: reldra

I can't watch the video, just going by the source. Are the 550 mentioned in the vid?

You say 300 saved but your source and Trump say different. Just trying to get all the ducks in a row here.

YES they are. 550 laid off. 350 (about) Research and development people were never in danger of losing their jobs. Those numbers were included in Trump's 1100 figure. All in the interview.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

It could also be construed that had Trump not shone the spotlight on Carrier and despite what the Union boss says (who is not privy to company decisions), 2,300 jobs could have potentially been heading south.

That would certainly fill in a big blank.

Not to mention how great it looks from a political standpoint.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: reldra
CNN Money

It appears the 1100 number is completely wrong.

At the 2.01min mark onwards, he says that there are 1100 jobs remaining and that they were never leaving in the first place. He then says 500 jobs from one area and 700 jobs from another will go to Mexico.

So, it could be construed that Trump ran with the 1100 jobs staying meme, which has just been backed-up by the Union boss but that he (trump) left out the devil in the details that 1200 jobs were heading south.

It could also be construed that had Trump not shone the spotlight on Carrier and despite what the Union boss says (who is not privy to company decisions), 2,300 jobs could have potentially been heading south.

This sounds like the weirdest way to ask Trump to keep the 1200 jobs from leaving to Mexico, unless the Union boss gets a big kick-back, like what happens in other union-dominated industries.

There were never 2300 jobs heading South. The union boss knows exactly how many were laid off, it is definitely his business and right to know it- he represents union employees.

I don't think you live in the US.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: odzeandennz

He's a 'glass half full kind of guy'.

You seem like a "take the glass and smash it if you dont like it" kind of girl

No, you are incorrect.

Well I know you about as well as you know Trump so theres a good chance everything you think about him is incorrect as well

I have facts, you have nothing.

If Im not mistaken another one of your "facts" was that he had no chance in winning and all us Trumptards would be crying on Nov 8.

Your facts are weak opinions at best

Basically Carrier played the art of the deal on Trump!

Send half of what you are actually claiming and still collect the tax break? HmmMmMmm.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sublimecraft

It could also be construed that had Trump not shone the spotlight on Carrier and despite what the Union boss says (who is not privy to company decisions), 2,300 jobs could have potentially been heading south.

That would certainly fill in a big blank.

Not to mention how great it looks from a political standpoint.

There was no 2300. Trump simply lied about the 1100 number. He knew 350 of those were always staying. He know 550 would be laid off so hiring could happen in Mexico.

Even with the facts at hand, the Trump followers will deny math.

a reply to: reldra

See, you can't claim to know what Trump knows with any verifiable certainty. Doesn't really matter either because his message of saving jobs at it's core is true as has been demonstrated even if the exact numbers are off. It's shady as hell granted but as a Trump voter, I'm not in the least bit surprised. I'm more in awe that Carrier got the tax break and are still shipping manufacturing jobs to Mexico.

Even with the facts, haters gonna hate. Spinners gotta spin!

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

And while you erroneously conflate opinion with mathematical fact, people are going to be losing jobs that the people were told they would be keeping, which would be bad enough, if it were not one of the reasons that the President-Elect was elected in the first place, his ability to negotiate deals with people, keep jobs in America...

But let's ignore the cold reality of the situation, and get right to the back biting, attacking the member rather than the data, and generally failing to have a proper discussion about the issue, shall we?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: reldra
CNN Money

It appears the 1100 number is completely wrong.

At the 2.01min mark onwards, he says that there are 1100 jobs remaining and that they were never leaving in the first place. He then says 500 jobs from one area and 700 jobs from another will go to Mexico.

So, it could be construed that Trump ran with the 1100 jobs staying meme, which has just been backed-up by the Union boss but that he (trump) left out the devil in the details that 1200 jobs were heading south.

It could also be construed that had Trump not shone the spotlight on Carrier and despite what the Union boss says (who is not privy to company decisions), 2,300 jobs could have potentially been heading south.

This sounds like the weirdest way to ask Trump to keep the 1200 jobs from leaving to Mexico, unless the Union boss gets a big kick-back, like what happens in other union-dominated industries.

There were never 2300 jobs heading South. The union boss knows exactly how many were laid off, it is definitely his business and right to know it- he represents union employees.

I don't think you live in the US.

The Union boss knows exactly what the Company representative(s) tell him, nothing more and nothing less. Unions are there to protect workers rights, enforce safety and security protocols and ensure fair days pay for fair days work.

Unions are not involved in company policy making and strategic business management and as long as company does not interfere with workers rights during such decision making processes, the Union will be told exactly what the company wants them to know.

I work very closely with The International Transport Workers Federation & NMU (US National Maritime Union) so I know what I'm talking about here, and yes, I'm from Australia and you know it.

originally posted by: MediaCensor
a reply to: reldra

Do you have another source? CNN is fake news.

Mike Pence recently did an interview with cnn is he fake as well?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

And while you erroneously conflate opinion with mathematical fact, people are going to be losing jobs that the people were told they would be keeping, which would be bad enough, if it were not one of the reasons that the President-Elect was elected in the first place, his ability to negotiate deals with people, keep jobs in America...

But let's ignore the cold reality of the situation, and get right to the back biting, attacking the member rather than the data, and generally failing to have a proper discussion about the issue, shall we?

The fact is "Trump praised carrier for keeping 1100 jobs in the US" at no stage did he say he was responsible for it nor did he claim that any of those jobs were leaving prior.

Show me were he took sole credit or claimed that these jobs were all going

Trump said 1100 jobs are staying and they are, this isnt even being disputed, the thrust of the article linked in the OP is saying Trump should have done more.

Hes not even in office yet FFS, give the guy a chance

EDIT: Trump had ZERO to do with these jobs leaving so the fact he saved any is a plus to him

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Unions are not involved in company policy making

Got to disagree with that one. They are. One of the other reasons for the big get together on contract negotiation day
Shop Steward for 10 years , and I am an American .

Of course , back then , Unions were a lot different Today , it is all about money , power , and politics in the US. It used to be all about the worker and their welfare in my day. Know how many times I have witnessed an employee that got sick and couldnt work yet their bills were magically paid ?

a reply to: reldra

There were never 2300 jobs heading South.

Youre right, the actual number leaving was a measly 2000, and now its 1200.
So Trump only saved 800 actual jobs of the 1100 that are staying.

What an asshole

a reply to: reldra

As a non-American on this site it is so clear to see your blatant agenda against Trump. Having said that, don't make the mistake of assuming I advocate the man either.

A lot of you Americans seriously need some perspective. Rubbish thread this.