Pro-Choice “Facts”: Fetal Development

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Beg to differ, I have been around a ton of comatose patients that are bed ridden and cant do a thing. Hardly conscious.

Hardly and equal comparison. And yes I recognize that uprooting plants kill them, and stepping on a dogs tail is a shame. And I can reason out that a child in the womb is a life in the making, and stopping that process is in fact taking a life, feeling the pain of saline or chopped up seems of little consequence.

Of course it does. Do we feel guilt when we uproot garden vegetables? Do we feel guilt when we accidentally step on a dog's tail and hear it yell or whimper? What's the distinguishing difference if not sentience?

a reply to: seasonal

a life in the making, and stopping that process is in fact taking a life

So you're saying, sentience shouldn't be the consideration, rather, the issue is that one is taking away the potential for that life to develop.

Then...

based on your reasoning you should view masturbation, oral & anal, birth control and condoms as ‘taking a life’.

Those prevent the potential for human life as well.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

If they were in the womb growing toward a full grown baby, then yes.

a reply to: seasonal

Then yes, what? You didn't address my post.

If the issue isn't sentience, but 'stopping the potential for human life', then how is the use of birth control not doing that as well?

originally posted by: seasonal
f a 14 year old gives birth that the baby will be very young, and very desirable to the couples out there. And what I mean by desirable is that there would be multiple couples that would be able to care for the child in a way a 14 year old is yet able to do.

And yet only 7% of unwanted kids are adopted. 93% will never have a normal family life.

a reply to: Agartha

What are the % of new born babies that are not adopted?

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy
Because until sperm meets egg, there is no life.

a reply to: seasonal

Because until sperm meets egg, there is no life.

Sperm is alive in of itself, and the egg is alive in of itself, in the same way its union is alive. They are all made up of living cells. Sperm is alive and has the potential for creating another human before ever meeting an egg. Your argument is very inconsistent. This is going no where. So never mind.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Sperm with out an egg is no baby. If you put sperm into a the perfect womb, minus the egg, no baby.

If you put an egg in the perfect womb, no baby.

If you put sperm plus egg together BABY!!!!

No other way to put it.

originally posted by: seasonal

What are the % of new born babies that are not adopted?

It's all in the links I posted.

In 2015: 69540 children in the UK were in care.
Only 5330 were adopted.
213 were newborn to the age of 1 (4% of newborn were adopted, 96% were not adopted).

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I'd love for there to be a legal way for the father to be able to challenge the abortion if he wholeheartedly disapproved of the procedure.

Except there's no way to legally prove via DNA test who the father is until the baby is born and can have a mouth swab done.

a reply to: seasonal

If you put sperm plus egg together BABY!!!!

maybe.... then again, there's a lot of spontaneous abortions of those newly fertilized eggs, so sperm plus egg is still just a potential of a baby, just like an egg holds that potential and the sperm has the potential. if it is that potential for new life that is to be protected, then even women who refuse sex and deny their eggs the sperm to fertilize them are in the offense, aren't they?

originally posted by: NthOther
What's "funny" is that if they found a single-celled organism on Mars, the pro-infanticide crowd would be ejaculating in enthusiasm over how cool it was and raving over how much this life needs to be protected and studied. They'd use as close a word to "sacred" as they could get without actually using it.

But when life interferes with their desire to f# without consequences, to hell with life.

Comparing a SINGLE bit of life on a barren planet to the potential human that a fetus represents when there are already billions of humans on the planet is a REALLY poor comparison.

a reply to: dawnstar

Perfect womb.....

hen again, there's a lot of spontaneous abortions of those newly fertilized egg

And there is only potential with both. To break it down further, an egg holds 1/2 the potential and so does the sperm. One can't do it. Biology 101. Sorry birds and beees.

, just like an egg holds that potential and the sperm has the potential

originally posted by: seasonal

In a planned parenthood fact sheet it says a 12 week old fetus cannot be compared to a person. But looking at the pics of 12 week,"fetus" looks like a baby to me.

What the fetus looks like at 12 weeks via an ultrasound has nothing to do with viability. It's still too undeveloped to survive.

My heart breaks everytime I hear of an abortion happening, but like the issues where people claim that states rights precede federal rights, likewise, the individual rights of a woman MUST come before sweeping one-size-fits-all policies by any government entity.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Well, to be fair, I gave you more options and ideas, running the gamut of the woman claiming that she doesn't know who the father is, to the father being able to challenge the abortion in court.

I'm not sure how many more ideas that you are looking for, but as far as some of the ideas that I put forth, I see the pros of the man at least needing to be notified of the intent to abort outweighing the cons of that idea.

a reply to: dawnstar

You're throwing up false equivalencies--that's not what I'm advocating in the least. Just because I put the word "legislator" in my comment doesn't mean that we go find the most extreme law and pretend that's what I'm advocating.

originally posted by: gr8skott
Except there's no way to legally prove via DNA test who the father is until the baby is born and can have a mouth swab done.

Except there is. But to be fair, my intent in that comment to which you responded was that the mother would acknowledge who the father is. Farther down in this thread, I specified things that can be done to satisfy my desire for the father have to be legally notified--one of which was an affidavit from the mother stating that the father is unknown, if the father actually is unknown.

a reply to: ArdentAngel

Looks like a human that isn't done growing to me.

a reply to: jimmyx

How about ABSTINENCE you weak minded people?
THEN one PERSON here thinks they are ONLY parasites...
DISGUSTING.
ALWAYS default to life.support adoption.