U.S. 2016 - Presidential Election VOTE RECOUNTS - - An Ongoing Status Thread.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That Florida initiative confuses me too. But, it's almost too late to get anything going there. I just posted that info as an item of interest..that's all.

What's really weird is what's happening on Recount Day #1 for Michigan...

""The news of the Detroit problems broke in the Detroit News on December 5 as two Michigan counties started recounting ballots from the 2016 presidential election. The newspaper reported that “one-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified” from the recount because of ballot problems. According to the newspaper, officials “couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts” during last month’s countywide canvass of Election Day returns, adding that most are in Clinton stronghold Detroit, “where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.”"

SOURCE: heavy.com...

Does this mean that a bunch of Clinton voters in the Detroit area could have their ballots thrown out? Not that it matters, since she lost anyway. But that article doesn't explain exactly what's wrong, does it?
-cwm




EDIT: Soooo, THIS is how you make a single vote count as 2, 3, 4, or more votes. Just say the machine is broken, and keep reinserting the ballot!

""He blamed the discrepancies on the city’s decade-old voting machines, saying 87 optical scanners broke on Election Day. Many jammed when voters fed ballots into scanners, which can result in erroneous vote counts if ballots are inserted multiple times. Poll workers are supposed to adjust counters to reflect a single vote but in many cases failed to do so, causing the discrepancies, Baxter said.""

Source: www.detroitnews.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Actually, the votes will not be disqualified. They will just not be recounted. The original count would be used.
I don't understand that.
It was discussed in another thread.
Their rules seem to say that if there is a discrepancy, go with the original count, which seems the opposite of the purpose of a recount.
It favors Clinton, since the votes in the area where she did the best will not be reviewed.

if there is a discrepancy between the number of ballots and those listed in poll books, a recount can not be done in that precinct, and original results stand if the “difference is not explained to the satisfaction of the board of canvassers.”

a reply to: carewemust

I can see this being an issue with the voting scanners, since I had this happen to my vote ballot in my township in Michigan. The folks said it had been happening all day. Just pulled it out and had me re-insert it. No one changed anything on the machine. Btw...I had voted for Trump. So, did my vote actually count twice?

Philadelphia: Jill Stein’s Recount Picks Up Five Votes for Hillary Clinton

The great Philadelphia recount has ended, and Hillary Clinton got five more votes than she had in her previous total. Donald Trump’s number stayed the same, as did the totals for Independent candidate Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein after the City Commissioners Office recounted votes in 75 of Philadelphia’s more than 1600 voting divisions

This is or isn't going well depending on your perspective.

a reply to: sad_eyed_lady

I'm guessing the farce in Pennsylvania is over. Looks like there is no evidence of any funny business in PA.

Unlike in Michigan, where it's starting to look like some precincts in Detroit got caught trying to stuff the ballot box after the election.

It looks like Clint Curtis did file a court case requesting a recount in Florida.
www.protectourelections.org...

His reasons seem extreme, even when compared to the Stein absurdity.

As mentioned somewhere around here previously, Clint Curtis has a strange background.

www.usatoday.com...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: carewemust

That comment about Trump agreeing to a Florida recount confuses me. Florida is a state where candidates are prohibited from requesting recounts. Only Florida citizens who were not candidates may request a recount and last I saw a Democratic supporter / lawyer has already started the process. He put up a crowd funding page and I thought he reached the required goals.

I don't understand what he means about Trump agreeing to the suit.
Trump is named as a defendant, and the court document is saying that Trump should not have won.

Why would Trump agree to that??

Wisconsin Day 6 Results

2324 counties are recounted out of 3636

Excluding Milwaukee:

Trump +140
Clinton +144

Net Clinton +4

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: carewemust

Actually, the votes will not be disqualified. They will just not be recounted. The original count would be used.
I don't understand that.
It was discussed in another thread.
Their rules seem to say that if there is a discrepancy, go with the original count, which seems the opposite of the purpose of a recount.
It favors Clinton, since the votes in the area where she did the best will not be reviewed.

if there is a discrepancy between the number of ballots and those listed in poll books, a recount can not be done in that precinct, and original results stand if the “difference is not explained to the satisfaction of the board of canvassers.”

If the number of ballots in precinct poll book does not match the voting machine printout report it is possible that this discrepancy is due to fraud. Someone may have placed more ballots in the poll book after election day or someone did not feed the ballots through the machine on election day.

The further out in time you get from election day the harder it becomes to discount this possibility of fraud.

In this instance the count on election day is the closest you can get to the truth of the discrepancy while having the most accurate count. There for this count is used instead of a new one.

The recount is not being conducted to FIND more ballots that may not have been counted. It is to make sure that the ballots that were counted on election day were counted for the right person.

If there is an issue with ballots not being count, lost, stolen and ect; that is a whole other issue than this recount is hoping to address.

a reply to: DanDanDat

That actually makes sense.

But, what if someone changed the numbers in the poll book to commit the fraud on election day?
What if the ballots in the box are what is correct?
If the box is not counted at all, it is possible that the count was off because someone intentionally miscounted on election day, and those recording the numbers in the poll book knew that if they put down a different number, no one would recount the box?

a reply to: carewemust

Whats even weirder is Stein never should have been allowed to request the recount. She apparently did not meet the minimum requirement in terms of voting percentage. The discrepancies with detroit ballots is goofy as well. If the number of ballots doesnt match the number recorded the district / precinct the votes are disqualified - all of them.

With that said if the people who ran the precinct can explain why there is a difference and its plausible then the results can be accepted. Either way it wont change the out come in terms of Trump winning. However it can change the number of votes Clinton received, revising the total down for her.

This entire mess has blown up in Clintons face in a spectacular way.

Recounts barely making dent in election results; Trump gains in Wisconsin

I have also seen a report (Ill look for the link in a little bit) that said Clinton convened her lawyers / top aides after the election and were behind the recount push.

I find it weird that when we see the 3 states initially challenged still going for Trump, recount challenges pop up in other states - like Florida.

a reply to: BlueAjah

The goofy ballots are from heavy democratic areas. I would imagine the people running those locations would be Clinton / Democratic supporters given the area in question.

Wisconsin Day 7 Results

2835 counties are recounted out of 3636

Excluding Milwaukee:

Trump +419
Clinton +497

Net Clinton +78

Numbers for the City of Milwaukee do not include absentee ballots, which have not yet been recounted. Milwaukee counts its absentee ballots centrally (not at the polling place) on Election Night. When those absentee ballots have been counted the numbers will be updated.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It's almost as if Stein was hired by Hillary to find out what the hell happened to the FIX that was put in to these states, to hand Hillary the win.

No wonder Hillary was so angry that she threw tantrums (and vases!) before storming out of her hotel room, on election night.

a reply to: BlueAjah


Haha.. I bet a lot of Hillary supporters think that she'll win if she beats Trump in your ongoing tally. "Hey Jim.. You see what BlueAjah posted tonight on that ATS thing? Hill is leadin by 78. She's a gonna take Mishegan away from that deplorable Trump!"

December 7, 2016 (Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day)

MICHIGAN COUNTING IS OVER.. A Federal Judge put a stop to it today.

""After two days of  ballot counting, conflicting court decisions and legal wranglings between frustrated lawyers, a federal judge on Wednesday halted the hand recount of 4.8 million ballots cast for president in Michigan, concluding there's no real evidence of foul play and there's no valid reason to continue the recount.

In his eight-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith said "there is no basis" for him to ignore a state court ruling that said the recount should never had started. He was referring to the Michigan Court of Appeals 3-0 ruling, which said that Green Party Candidate Jill Stein, who requested the recount, never had a shot at winning with her fourth-place finish and 1% of the vote, and therefore was not an aggrieved candidate.""

Full Story: www.freep.com...

So..does Stein get a pro-rated refund, to put in her pocket?

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: DanDanDat

That actually makes sense.

But, what if someone changed the numbers in the poll book to commit the fraud on election day?
What if the ballots in the box are what is correct?
If the box is not counted at all, it is possible that the count was off because someone intentionally miscounted on election day, and those recording the numbers in the poll book knew that if they put down a different number, no one would recount the box?

Of course that is a possibility; buy again that is a criminal act that would need to be investigated out side of this recount.

I would hope that after this circus is over the issues in detroit are investigate.

Buy again in the hear and now; if there is doubt over the integrity of the ballets then the safest course of action is to go with election day counts.

Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win in MI

citing a state court ruling that found Stein did not have standing under MI law to request the recount, the Federal judge who ordered the recount has now ended it, resulting in MI and its electoral votes going to Trump.

Here is some meat for you guys. As I have believed, they are going to cover this up to maintain voter integrity, that is the real reason for the stoppage.

a reply to: jellyrev

The federal judge stopped the recount as Stein did not have standing under MI law to request the recount. MI went to Trump and is officially done.

Secondly why are they telling their story on facebook instead of talking to the police and media?