The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.

originally posted by: keenmachine
I have read everyone of your posts throughout the thread. Most receive no stars and I saw a few that had one star though I might have missed a couple.

Give me a break.

ATS leans very Right. I've seen Right Leaners get stars for saying the dumbest thing.

Liberals and Left leaners have always gotten fewer stars - - if any. Nothing new.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: keenmachine
I have read everyone of your posts throughout the thread. Most receive no stars and I saw a few that had one star though I might have missed a couple.

Give me a break.

ATS leans very Right. I've seen Right Leaners get stars for saying the dumbest thing.

Liberals and Left leaners have always gotten fewer stars - - if any. Nothing new.

quite the opposite clinton supporters fell all over each other with stars pre election. they congratulated each other with their internet high fives and threads with the words madam president, now one of your own is struggling to get even one star on a post. there is a reason for that. like i said regroup, rebuild and come back with something better. As basketball players say get that weak $hi% outta here.

I didn't want either. But between the two, I felt the lesser evil (less chance to blow up our country) was Clinton, and voted for her. She lost. By laws we have to abide with. And I accept that.. and won't protest the election, nor support an idiotic after-the-fact sour grapes "we should do away with the electoral college!" movement.

I WILL protest heartily, anything I think Trump does that I feel is terrible for the nation. But what is done is done. He won. Stop trying to dredge up reasons why Clinton should be President.

To put it another way.. had Clinton won electoral.. but Trump the popular.. would you be posting this? Of course not.

Does anyone know about military personal NOT getting their ballots on time? I have a coworker that was in the military who is still in contact with quite a few friends who are still serving, and they told him they didn't receive their ballots. Does anyone else know about this? Has the military vote been fully accounted for?

a reply to: Annee

Again, very much a case of seeing what you want to see.

I think you'd find that stars are utterly meaningless so far as whether the site leans right or left.

Given the nature of the site? The left leaning President, it's not all that surprising really that it might shade in that direction, just like it shaded left when Bush was in office. Again, the nature of the site.

I suspect that it's very nearly a 50-50 split. In ten months or so, it'll still be virtually split, but shading the other way.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: keenmachine
I have read everyone of your posts throughout the thread. Most receive no stars and I saw a few that had one star though I might have missed a couple.

Give me a break.

ATS leans very Right. I've seen Right Leaners get stars for saying the dumbest thing.

Liberals and Left leaners have always gotten fewer stars - - if any. Nothing new.

Annee that's your problem. You categorize people. You need to think outside the box. People are free thinking entities that change along with life. You're the Old School that thinks it's a left/right paradigm.

I am kind of curious as to how they turn out. Would I donate money to find out no. Do I think they should choose Clinton. No. What possible motive would Jill Stein have for a recount any way? Please tell me you see it. This is a political battle. What happens when you have a political battle? Well you have to start with your pawns. They are the ones more easily sacrificed. Note to self......Do not be a pawn like Jill Stein.

A person in the political arena tends to believe they have a lot of power with half a nation at their back. Note to self......If I plan on taking over a country, with half of its populace, make sure I pick the side that has the means to win the war.

One has to ask them self. Why is this nation so divided? Any nation becomes perfectly divided when its government stops looking out for one half or the other.

I am the forgotten man.

We have come to this great precipice. And here we stand.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: keenmachine
I have read everyone of your posts throughout the thread. Most receive no stars and I saw a few that had one star though I might have missed a couple.

Give me a break.

ATS leans very Right. I've seen Right Leaners get stars for saying the dumbest thing.

Liberals and Left leaners have always gotten fewer stars - - if any. Nothing new.

Annee that's your problem. You categorize people. You need to think outside the box. People are free thinking entities that change along with life. You're the Old School that thinks it's a left/right paradigm.

Good luck with that.

Many here have tried as there is a mind in there. It's just locked up behind partisan cement and mortar...

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Unfortunately there are a lot of ill informed and ignorant people that believe that Hillary Clinton would be a good president, or even a better choice than Trump. These people spend a lot of time listening to mainstream media, which is proven propaganda.

Are you one of these people?

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: Jay-morris

Erm, I don't approve? I've made that abundantly clear in the past.

I don't like anything about Clinton. I'm very glad she lost.

Thst post was for the op, not for you.

For some strange reason i thought tbe op posted thst to me. I know you pretty much agree with me, so sorry about the confusion.

OP annoys the hell out of me!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Wow, you think of me as the biggest liar on ATS? I consider myself more of an unapologetic truth bringer to the massive right wing misinformation machine-- but still, I take what you said as a big compliment since I know that calling truth out as lies is a common "fake news" tactic... and to be called the "biggest liar". Thank you.

You're very welcome! And yes...I've followed a few of your posts, even informing others of the depth of your partisan lies and plan to continue to do just that. Enjoy the honor. Sure...it cost you any reputation you may have had and your character, but it is obvious that those hold little value for you. I'm personally guessing you are a child that doesn't understand the value of such things but with your lying being a steady flow...I want others to realize that your words are therefore worthless. I'd hate to see people think that anything you say has any real value of truth.

So enjoy it. And when you graduate from serving fries, remember this conversation.

a reply to: Jay-morris

It's alright. No harm done.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
No one said fighting for the principles and values of your country in the face of tyranny would be risk free.

Wait, so now you're saying that the EC should have voted for Trump even if Hillary had won enough states?

Speaking purely as a member, and one who disagrees strongly with the OP, he is well within his rights to express his opinion. It makes him wrong, not evil, nor a traitor, nor anything other than wrong.

Ain't no one ever right all the time. May I suggest backing off on the personal stuff, and discuss his notion, and the related topics that have come up.


Feel free to reply to this post

originally posted by: Krakatoa
I heard that Hillary visited Puma Punku? Did she get their vote too?

The people who made those are both dead and ineligible to vote, so yes, multiple times.

Trump won fair and square. God help us if Hillary STEALS the election.

Assumptions are said to be terrible things, but some things are so likely, so certain, that no sane person would question them.

I can say that tomorrow, the sun will rise in the east, and I can be certain.

I can say that tomorrow, the sun will set in the west, and I can be certain.

I can say that, if only the eligible votes were counted, and counted correctly, that Clinton's number would be significantly lower, and that Trump's numbers are likely to be higher.

I can say that Trump won the real popular vote. I am certain.

The Democrats have been, both in history and the present day, the party of slavery and deceit. If Trump still managed to win after they fiddled the numbers, just think how large the real margin must be.

a reply to: seagull

I suspect you are right.

Conspiracy involves the people in power. Right now, the Left is The Man. When the power transitions, it will be the Right. When there is any kind of conspiracy that needs TPTB to be involved, or government, The Man will get called on the carpet. For the next four years, that will be the Right, and it will make this seem like a left leaning site by default.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Which would absolutely go against the Constitution and the Electoral college
Done
next

The President Elect disagrees with you..But of course that is when he erroneously thought Pres. Obama lost the popular vote...

Donald J. Trump

“He [Obama] lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!” (Nov. 6)

“The phoney [sic] electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!” (Nov. 6)

“More votes equals a loss…revolution!” (Nov. 7)

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

a reply to: seagull

Deeply appreciate the tone of your post..

Some interesting factoids:

In 1976, Jimmy Carter won a razor-thin victory over Gerald Ford. A change in just over 5,000 votes in Ohio and 3,000 votes in Hawaii would have given the election to Ford with 270 electoral votes.

Testifying to a Senate committee in the aftermath of the election, GOP Vice-Presidential nominee Bob Dole indicated the Ford-Dole campaign was actively seeking to influence Democrat electors to switch to their ticket.

"We were shopping -- not shopping, excuse me -- looking around for electors," Dole said.
"It just seems to me that the temptation is there for that elector in a very tight race to really negotiate quite a bunch."

Bush-Cheney plan

In 2000, expecting a popular vote win and an Electoral College loss, the Bush-Cheney team drafted plans to demand a public outcry if such an occasion were to occur. "Democrats for Democracy" was one slogan that was suggested if such a campaign were to emerge.

Such an insurrection was wholly aimed at persuading Democrat electors to change their votes if Bush had won the popular vote and lost the Electoral College vote.

Of course, the opposite happened.

www.click2houston.com...

The electoral college needs to be examined.

The very fact that it was structured in such a way where "faithless electors" are able to change their vote means by definition that option was built into the system with intent and purpose. Otherwise why allow it?

I am not making an argument that strategy should be employed now...but both Democrats and Republicans have considered and planned for the contingency in the past.

What the OP suggests can not be easily dismissed given the electoral college was designed for the contingency and both parties have entertained the idea and in the case of GOP even rolled it out "shopping around" for electors.

One last factoid to consider..

In the entire history of the USA...ONLY TWO Presidents have been elected with a greater loss of the popular vote than Trump.

John Quincy Adams in 1824 lost the popular vote by a 10% margin and was actually elected by Congressional vote!

And Rutherford Hayes in 1876 lost the popular vote by 3%, but was given 20 electoral votes in trade for the Northern Republicans exiting the south and leaving reconstruction to southern Democrats.

An informal deal was struck to resolve the dispute: the Compromise of 1877, which awarded all 20 electoral votes to Hayes. In return for the Democrats' acquiescence to Hayes's election, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South to end the Reconstruction Era of the United States

en.wikipedia.org...

Apart from those two extraordinary and controversial elections...No other President in history has ever been elected while losing the popular vote by the significant margin Trump has.

He ranks 3rd greatest lost of the popular vote in history (behind the two unusual events above)...while still being elected.

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin (sort by popular vote margin by clicking the column heading)
en.wikipedia.org...

Should the electoral college favor the popular vote and faithless electors exercise their constitutional right?

I am not sure.

But is it a question worth examining? Yes....Good OP for discussion.