Holy Nightmare - Hillary Might Be Our Next President. A 3-state Recount is Possible.

a reply to: Logiciel

I've seen a couple of coders who say that Trump wins but Hillary steals and we end up with a civil war although Trump prevails.

I always take that with a big grain of salt though.

originally posted by: Logiciel

This event right here and its repercussions is gonna trigger civil war and the fall of the American Empire as we know it.

Didn't a lot of people say they voted for Trump to break the system?

They don't like Trump. They don't think he's qualified to be president. They just want to break the system.

And, of course, Hillary is the system, so can't have her. Even though she's qualified.

People are getting what they asked for.

I don't think they cared or even thought of the aftermath consequences.

This is the joke of the left and what they have been reduced to. The left is irrelevant and the democrat party is broken beyond repair. What the talking heads said was happening to the Republicans is exactly the opposite of what is happening now.

Killary is politically dead and I hope the mortal death comes very soon. That only make sense because she colluded with corporations and governments to commit untold crimes and people are going to start digging into the hows and whys. She will either get whacked or die of a stroke due to stress. Either way is fine with me but if she she lingers with brain damage for a few years that would be a bonus.

a reply to: Annee

I don't have any regrets. Everything is great now.

Trump is already working too hard negotiating with a company leaving the US because of the leftist global plan. Now it's America first. You just don't know how lucky your simple self is, to have Saint Trump as President of the United States of America.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Cheap shot and obvious deflection!

What, exactly, has the Mother Jones article presented that you believe to be untrue. Do you think that they made up the story that government agencies pointed to Russian hackers? Where's your evidence that Russian involvement is "fake news".

If people are just going to dismiss evidence, based on their personal bias against the name main stream news outlet quoted, I don't see how there be a can be any discussion at all.

"I don't like your (White House Press Corps) source, so I'm dismissing you" is NOT an answer, it's a COP OUT! (pun intended)

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra

Cheap shot and obvious deflection!

What, exactly, has the Mother Jones article presented that you believe to be untrue. Do you think that they made up the story that government agencies pointed to Russian hackers? Where's your evidence that Russian involvement is "fake news".

If people are just going to dismiss evidence, based on their personal bias against the name main stream news outlet quoted, I don't see how there be a discussion at all.

"I don't like your (White House Press Corps) source, so I'm dismissing you" is NOT an answer, it's a COP OUT! (pun intended)

Do you have one single link to a source from the US Government that says beyond a doubt that the US Government has proof that Russians hacked the election?

Just one single source? Just one? No you do not.

a reply to: RickinVa

Beyond a doubt? Moving the goal posts, are we?

Security experts say that Russian hackers have broken into the computers of not only the Democratic National Committee but other targets as well.

This has raised a new wave of concerns that on Election Day, the votes themselves could be compromised by hackers, potentially tipping the results. Most states have returned to paper-backed voting systems in recent years, but that still leaves vulnerable a number of states that rely solely on machines.
www.npr.org...

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate. It's up to Capitol Hill to protect American democracy.

Despite all the news being generated by the change of power underway in Washington, there is one story this week that deserves top priority: Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. On Tuesday, the director of the National Security Agency, Admiral Michael Rogers, was asked about the WikiLeaks release of hacked information during the campaign, and he said, "This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect." He added, "This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily."

This was a stunning statement that has echoed other remarks from senior US officials. He was saying that Russia directly intervened in the US election to obtain a desired end: presumably to undermine confidence in US elections or to elect Donald Trump—or both. Rogers was clearly accusing Vladimir Putin of meddling with American democracy. This is news worthy of bold and large front-page headlines—and investigation. Presumably intelligence and law enforcement agencies are robustly probing the hacking of political targets attributed to Russia. But there is another inquiry that is necessary: a full-fledged congressional investigation that holds public hearings and releases its findings to the citizenry.

If the FBI, CIA, and other intelligence agencies are digging into the Russian effort to affect US politics, there is no guarantee that what they uncover will be shared with the public. Intelligence investigations often remain secret for the obvious reasons: they involve classified information. And law enforcement investigations—which focus on whether crimes have been committed—are supposed to remain secret until they produce indictments. (And then only information pertinent to the prosecution of a case is released, though the feds might have collected much more.) The investigative activities of these agencies are not designed for public enlightenment or assurance. That's the job of Congress.
www.motherjones.com...

a reply to: windword


Again, do you have a link that states that the OFFICIAL U.S. position is that we have proof that Russia hacked our election? Not what someone THINKS.

No you do not. You do know that proof like that could and would be used as a justification to declare war on another country.


Like I said in the other thread....

The irony of these threads is amazing.

People from the country that has meddled more in other countries elections and politics than any other nation, crying giant crocodile tears because they think another country has done to them what they have been doing to other countries for decades.

Glad I bought lots of popcorn. Threads like this are major popcorn consumers.

Where is all the moral outrage demanding that all the leaders of various countries that lost their elections due to the US meddling in their elections, be restored to their rightful place of power?

There are two factions on this thread and it's going to turn out very very sweet for one side or the other!

Security experts say that Russian hackers have broken into the computers of not only the Democratic National Committee but other targets as well. This has raised a new wave of concerns that on Election Day, the votes themselves could be compromised by hackers, potentially tipping the results. Most states have returned to paper-backed voting systems in recent years, but that still leaves vulnerable a number of states that rely solely on machines.

So this means Michigan should be off the table. Let me know when that recount includes MN and NH so we can get some neutrality.

a reply to: RickinVa

FBI: Russia hacked DNC

Politics Trump refusal to accept government assessments on Russian hacks dismays former officials

US officially accuses Russia of hacking DNC and interfering with election

Russian ties: Ex-intel official says evidence on hacked DNC servers points to nation state

Feds: Yep, Russia Hacked the DNC

‘Russia’s Senior-Most officials’ Ordered DNC Hack It wasn’t low-level flunkies or some ‘400-pound’ hacker, as Trump suggested. Top Kremlin officials directed the hacks on America’s political system, U.S. intelligence publicly said

Why Experts Are Sure Russia Hacked the DNC Emails

a reply to: windword

Well, let's look at what is going on here.
The source quoted in your Mother Jones article is on the verge of being fired from the NSA.

According to the date of your article, Nov. 16, and that he said that Rogers made these comments on Tuesday, that would probably have been Nov. 15.

This was reported on Nov. 19/20

Navy Adm. Mike Rogers, chief of U.S. Cyber Command and the National Security Agency, said he was "accountable for his actions" following a report published during a security conference he attended here this weekend that senior administration officials have recommended President Barack Obama remove him amid concerns with his performance and the possible splitting of command duties for the two secretive organizations he leads.
...
Citing unnamed U.S. officials, the Post reported that Defense Secretary Ash Carter and outgoing Director of National Intelligence James Clapper recommended last month that Obama remove Rogers, with Carter having concerns about Rogers' performance and Clapper's case driven largely by his and Carter's recommendation that leadership of Cyber Command and the NSA be split. Clapper also reportedly prefers that the NSA be led by a civilian.

So.... any chance that Rogers might have made remarks about Russia and the election to find a reason to save his job - to make it look like he was onto something big?

Hmmm....
It was recommend "last month" that he be fired.
He probably knew about this.


NSA Head Rogers on His Recommended Firing: 'I'm Accountable for My Actions'

Jill Stein has confirmed that she has zero evidence of hacking and no smoking gun to suggest the elections were rigged. She is pushing ahead with the recount request regardless, because she is campaigning for voting integrity. Gets more strange by the hour.

a reply to: BlueAjah

I personally saw a machine do what you described. The election monitor asked me to witness while she made sure that the machine was corrected.

a reply to: BlueAjah

All I'm try to do is to prove that the main stream consensus, based on US officials' announcements, is that Russian operatives are most probably responsible for the hacking of the DNC. That's OLD NEWS!

I'm not really interested in proving that the election was rigged, but that IF it was rigged, it is entirely possible that Russia could have been involved, based on the assumption that they were involved in the DNC hackings.

I highly doubt that this recount effort will change the final election results. We're stuck with Pres, Trump for now.



At least until we can impeach him!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RickinVa

FBI: Russia hacked DNC

Politics Trump refusal to accept government assessments on Russian hacks dismays former officials

US officially accuses Russia of hacking DNC and interfering with election

Russian ties: Ex-intel official says evidence on hacked DNC servers points to nation state

Feds: Yep, Russia Hacked the DNC

‘Russia’s Senior-Most officials’ Ordered DNC Hack It wasn’t low-level flunkies or some ‘400-pound’ hacker, as Trump suggested. Top Kremlin officials directed the hacks on America’s political system, U.S. intelligence publicly said

Why Experts Are Sure Russia Hacked the DNC Emails

None of those links relate to vote hacking in the General Election.
There is no evidence of such hacking at all.

a reply to: windword

Still waiting on that OFFICIAL statement from the White House that there is 100% undeniable proof that the Russians have been influencing our elections.

Got that link?



Are you upset about all the world leaders that the US Government disposed of by influencing and rigging other countries elections? Or are you only upset because you think that is the only reason Hilllary lost the election?

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
a reply to: Annee

I don't have any regrets. Everything is great now.

Trump is already working too hard negotiating with a company leaving the US because of the leftist global plan. Now it's America first. You just don't know how lucky your simple self is, to have Saint Trump as President of the United States of America.

You have no clue what Trump is actually doing.

Trump yaps his mouth all the time - - about everything - - switching sides at will.

I am not a Nationalist. I think its archaic and backwards.

There's only one logical evolution - - and that's to unite the planet.

a reply to: windword

Those sources are all from July, and nothing came of them.
If there had been proof, there would have been more of an effort to hold Russia accountable, and something would have been done about it.

It went away, because they really did not have firm proof and Russia denied it.
The reality is that hackers share/steal methods, and their only reasoning was that the methods appeared to be the same as those used by Russians, and that there were attack attempts.
Once a hacking method is out there, others duplicate, modify and use those methods.
And just because a party hacks something, does not mean that they are the source of a leak.
So - they did not have proof.
Russia was an easy target to blame, but nothing came of it.

ETA: Oh and the July reports were about the DNC hacks, not the voting system.