Women shouldn't be allowed abortion

a reply to: eNumbra

I best you're okay with deporting the unwanted from America.

I am, for the most part. I'm certainly not in favor of killing people who haven't committed any violent crime though.

Really though body autonomy is pretty important, if one can't choose what to do with their own body, why should you get to keep that healthy kidney?

I actually agree with that; Which is why I don't think someone else should make a life and death decision for the unborn; certainly not after they made the decision to allow that new life into their womb to begin with.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: dfnj2015

So make the morning after pill available over the counter without a prescription.

It's the same thing.

That is simply not true.

Im completely pro-life... for myself. Id hope that others chose the same and practiced some accountability for their own actions, but others can do whatever the hell they want.. on their own dime and with the most up to date information so an informed decision can be made. Have abortions every month .. make a habit of it for all I care.. but its on you just like what I choose is on me. in the short term and long term.


Just an FYI to the Xtians here.. you DO realize there are pagans and atheists and etc that are anti abortion, right?? Just thought Id mention it again..

a reply to: Hazardous1408

No, your opinion is fine and thanks for acknowledging that it is merely an opinion. Till another day.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: ksiezyc

Why make it so difficult.

To derail the thread, because at the end of the day everyone knows that the overwhelming vast majority of abortions are motivated by the desire to f# without consequences.

That is simply not true, either.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: dfnj2015

So make the morning after pill available over the counter without a prescription.

It's the same thing.

People are going to copulate. There are 7 billion people on the planet for a reason.

This country dropped 23,000 bombs on five predominately Muslim countries in 2015 alone. I imagine thousands of innocent woman and children were killed by those bombs. I imagine thousands of pregnant women were kill by those bombs. And we do not even hear peep about it on TV. I'm so sick of the pro-lifers who think unborn babies are sacred yet killing living people okay.

If you are really serious about ending abortion the best way to do it is by reducing poverty and making sure female literacy is very high. Hand out free condoms would help too. But all those practical public policies are also immoral.

Abortion is such idiotic issue. And on top the Republicans will never do anything about it. Abortion is the Republicans best wedge issue. Republicans don't care about abortion. All they care about is how abortion gets out the vote.

originally posted by: reldra

That is simply not true.

You're still screwing with nature to avoid it's consequences.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Someday, we'll evolve to a point where even the lives and rights of the unborn are respected.

Hopefully yanks will evolve to a point where they mind their own business and stop trying to control other peoples lives....

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: eNumbra


I actually agree with that; Which is why I don't think someone else should make a life and death decision for the unborn; certainly not after they made the decision to allow that new life into their womb to begin with.

Birth control isn't 100% effective, so by definition that life wasn't wanted, so what you're arguing is that people should never have sex or else they have to raise the child.

originally posted by: omniEther
Majority of women who have abortion were not raped and/or did not commit incest.

They just didn't want their baby amd I have to say that's a thin line between first-degree pre-meditated murder

Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

Unborn human beings are living, separate, and unique. From the moment of "fertilization" better known as conception. a new human life is in existence. Ending this life is not ending “potential.” It is ending a life.

The unborn are not people. They do not have civil rights. Women are afforded the right to abortion by law.

a reply to: omniEther

so, are you going to take care of all the unwanted babies that are born,or maybe you are one of those people who would raise everyone`s taxes and increase the debt by borrowing to pay for all those babies.
why should everyone in the country be held responsible to pay for the enforcement of your religious beliefs?

The only source supporting anti abortion is a religious text.
There`s no law against abortion so you aren`t upholding or enforcing any legal statutes.
There`s no cultural objections to it so you aren`t preserving or upholding any cultural values.

anti abortion is strictly a religious value and belief, so again I ask why should everyone have to pay for the enforcement of religious beliefs?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: ksiezyc

Why make it so difficult.

To derail the thread, because at the end of the day everyone knows that the overwhelming vast majority of abortions are motivated by the desire to f# without consequences.

That is simply not true, either.

How is it not true? He said the vast majority, not 100%. I'm inclined to agree.

Even if 30% of all abortions were rape related or a danger to the mother that's still 70% which is still a vast majority.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

People are going to copulate.

People are going to kill each other too.

Let's arm everyone with the most advanced weaponry available to make it as efficient as possible.

Hey, wait a minute...

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: reldra

That is simply not true.

You're still screwing with nature to avoid it's consequences.

That is your opinion. The process to abort exists, sometimes it happens on it's own, as in a miscarriage.
You speak as you have a personal relationship with some Mother Nature and she has told you this.

ABORTION IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
PREGNACY IS.

This is not about having porno theaters in your neighborhood.
No one has abortions for fun.
You need to stop it at its source.
Stop unwanted pregnancy and you stop abortion.

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: omniEther
Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

You simply can't ignore there is a living woman on the other end of the umbilical cord who also has rights.

My opinion is that those rights were suspended the moment the woman chose to have sex.

I've never understood why it's a more attractive proposition for women to have an abortion than to put the child up for adoption.

You would not take that position if this was a men's issue. What if you were being forced to be circumcised because Jews control the Federal Reserve and wanted all men not to have foreskin. And not only that, going through the procedure was potentially life threatening the way they did it. You would be pretty angry about someone chopping up your member.

originally posted by: reldra

The process to abort exists, sometimes it happens on it's own, as in a miscarriage.

You don't see the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion? How one is part of the natural cycle of life and the other isn't?

I don't know what to say to that.

Flabbergasted, in fact.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

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originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: ksiezyc

Why make it so difficult.

To derail the thread, because at the end of the day everyone knows that the overwhelming vast majority of abortions are motivated by the desire to f# without consequences.

That is simply not true, either.

How is it not true? He said the vast majority, not 100%. I'm inclined to agree.

Even if 30% of all abortions were rape related or a danger to the mother that's still 70% which is still a vast majority.

The statement I said was not true is "The vast majority of abortions are motivated by the desire to # without consequences." I find that to be a flawed argument. The desire to '#' as that person put it, is a primal drive. The decision to have an abortion is based on one's ability and desire to have a child or not. They are two different things.