Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: Erno86

We both know that we do not agree with each other. Feel free to keep repeating that all you like.

Best,

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

Ok...best of luck.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks for the link, I'd actually found it before but didn't read nearly far enough.
WHOOPS!
LOL!

Still a great thread!

a reply to: Caver78

Let me ask your opinion, since you are interested in discussing this.

Let's say for the sake of argument, that the PSPH is true.

We'd probably have "discarnate machine intelligences floating around";
that are close to immortal. In this model, they'd have functionally infinite
power to use (since they are tapping stars), functionally infinite physical
resources (the regular Universe is 99% plasma).

So what could they want? What would they have given up by going
"technologically ascended"? Why in the world might they be
slumming around Earth?

Look at the physiological response involved with both UFO and
spiritual/religious/paranormal experiences?

What kind of person, with what kind of brain seems to be
the primary target?

What has been said to "power" psychokinesis (if you believe
in that)?

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Caver78

So what could they want? What would they have given up by going "technologically ascended"?

Kev

If the creator overlooked something in the initial design and the AI/I doesn't have permission to overwrite certain aspects of it's being then that could be anything. You can assume/speculate this AI/I created a whole new AI, but perhaps there are boundries on that as well that hold it from achieving 'perfection' or whatever it's design goal.

Other things that spring to mind could be emotions or purpose but I think that sounds a bit too corny for my taste and does not compute with the nature of the phenomenon we percieve (as for as our understanding goes).

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

You might check out my blog.

But I will say, that "people" always want what they don't have.. that the grass is always greener on the other side.. that "
immortals" get REALLY bored.

and of course, it's impossible to understand the behavior of an entity with a 1 billion IQ.

So all we can do is throw around thought experiments.

But once in a while, a thought experiment seemingly explains EVERYTHING, so whether it's true or
not, it can be highly entertaining.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I do check it out from time to time, and while I'll never understand certain aspects (the spiritual) I'm starting to see what you mean. Reading Invisible College has proven helpfull as well, but I'm only 1/3rd in.

Still feeling the need stepping away from it for a while, cause it's all a bit 'consuming.

Interesting to say the least, but I'm in need of some less serious/heavy stuff.

Edit: Didn't see the latest entry. Will check it out

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I've now got 3 big name authors all excited and encouraging me to write a book.

I don't really have the time. I'm not a multimilionaire or a professional, full-time author.

But i suppose i should make an effort.

Im really hoping to find a co-author so i can maximize laziness.

I want to end my days chasing the missus around, not off saving the world or "patrolling the internet".

Bah*

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If you want to maximize laziness use literal parts of your blog combined with a 'narrative' piecing it all together and adding some thoughts in the process.

Some other authors/bloggers do it like this. Don't know about the impact, cause you'll only have one shot at that and it still would be a lot of work ...

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Yes..people do that.

When i was in the Kundalini cult, it was expected that i should be able to speak and casually write in verse.

I played along with that for a while...as an "active Kundalini" (when it's not delusionary BS) does indeed give you hypergraphia and sometimes exotic linguistic capabilities.

So while i don't do that stuff anymore, as I'm retired, it would semi-horrify me to be THAT lazy.

I'm going to stop whining about the writing now.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Caver78

Let me ask your opinion, since you are interested in discussing this.

Let's say for the sake of argument, that the PSPH is true.

We'd probably have "discarnate machine intelligences floating around";
that are close to immortal. In this model, they'd have functionally infinite
power to use (since they are tapping stars), functionally infinite physical
resources (the regular Universe is 99% plasma).

So what could they want? What would they have given up by going
"technologically ascended"? Why in the world might they be
slumming around Earth?

Look at the physiological response involved with both UFO and
spiritual/religious/paranormal experiences?

What kind of person, with what kind of brain seems to be
the primary target?

What has been said to "power" psychokinesis (if you believe
in that)?

Kev

You're right that I am interested in discussing this since as you discovered in past experiences going a "group route" turned out less than desirably. The old axiom of "all of us can be dumber than one of us comes to mind"?
Said VERY much tongue in cheek! grins!

While plasma disincarnate intelligences have as you say, limitless energy to pull from giving the example of stars that right there hit a nail on the head. Without looping too far off track I would point out Earth has a molten core and has numerous energy fields generated. That said, not only do these plasma entities have limitless energy to pull from, but we do as well. While you hypothesize they are akin to AI, I would also point out with billions of human thoughts floating around almost like a palatable smog swirling just over our heads we are a "data miners dream" come true.

Now this cuts close to what we refer to as the collective unconscious, but I'm not talking that specifically nor am I going the route of what's referred to as 'the hall of records'. I'm just noting that's a LOT of cells firing albeit with very low electrical output, but there none the less.

Between billions of people no two thoughts are exactly the same. Ever.
How attractive could THAT be?

Onwards...

As far as "what kind of brain would be a primary target"
Speaking to that I would say one that is biologically, physically capable. In discussions with some folks it's been noted that one commonality was being approached before puberty, plus repeated exposures, which results in a almost rewiring of how you process information. Repeated exposure also builds a physiological tolerance. Biologically some humans are more able than others and it's a roll of the dice. One indicator of this is a definite physical withdrawal from the phenom.

You see this in people no matter which aspect of "the Others" they were shown.
They will spend their lives chasing it for their next fix.
Now...before dismissing it look at a smoker with their psychological addiction onwards to a heroin addict with their addiction. Both show defined signs of withdrawal if their vice of choice is cut off. The same applies to people who chose to interact with "the Others", Plasma entities, or the phenom. For those who have been incidentally drawn in it's more of a crap-shoot if they will be addicted, dependent on their biology.

Now back to expound on the whole Earth as a Star.
We have an ability to draw on this as well as the plasma entities. Picture two Orbs now bouncing up and down with joy! The "food" feeds itself!!!" Oh goody!!! I think this aligns nicely with your Kundalini experience and the further you went with it the more things went sideways. Without awareness of these types of entities people are whole hog into different metaphysical modalities and then are "lunchables" for them. Like a moebus strip, round and round you go.
Religion hopping, modality hopping, teacher shopping you name it.

One thing I will say about Orbs just cause it was fun for me.
Start swinging a battery operated bug zapper tennis racquet and see if they come back. I can say from experience they don't. One day I got good and fed up and decided in my typical unscientific understanding of things "hey! I'll bet they are at least semi electrical in nature. So's my tennis racquet! Lets see how they like THIS!" My first inclination was to buy a cattle prod and randomly swing it while I was working outside and got that "icky feeling". Fortunately my friend thought that might be overkill, so tested out the smaller version. Am I crazy? Maybe, but it's also damned quiet with no incursions anymore.

Thought that might make you smile.
Whatever it takes right?

I don't know why so many religious/spiritual folk try to hijack the UFO phenomenon and then turn it into something that's it not.

Most likely these visions are induced from mini strokes or mental illness or hypnotic techniques or even exhaustion in many cases (In talking about the very much non physical contact type cases).
They are called hallucinations and they aren't projected into your brain, they are from your brain!

The brain isn't perfect and in fact it creates a fiction every minute of our lives.

a reply to: ManInAsia

I can't speak for others but im not religious or spiritual. I don't do silly labels.

You will find that anyone who does deep, thorough and honest research, who has access to at least some data will inevitably disagree with the various failed viewpoints so commonly duscussed.

Kev

a reply to: Caver78

I just got through your lengthy but good response.


I agree with what you said for the most part.
Not so much about the molten core though..in my experience these life forms are real prima donnas about their food sources..like grazing animals. They don't like to work for it unless there is no other choice.

They seem to like some man-made sources...such as some military radars...but im not certain they care for cell towers. I suppose i should run an analysis between the two. I don't know what the pattern would be, if any.

As far as Kundalini, im fairly certain that phenomenon is when a "male" and a "female" in a manner of speaking make a baby in someone.

That's the ultimate purpose of religion and spirituality you know....even Christianity..

If i ever write i will explain everything in detail.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Kev

For folks who don't read my blog, or in case I delete my blog (I almost didn't pay the bill to keep it going a month back).

The Post-Singularity Plasma Hypothesis Thought Experiment
This hypothesis is really a thought experiment at this point, which makes the following assumptions:

Organic life evolved in our Universe, perhaps billions of years before our solar system even formed. At some point, this early life underwent a technological singularity.

This early life either "technologically ascended" or created AI, or both.

Over vast periods of time this early civilization became a Kardashev level 4 or 5 civilization (depending on which model you use); in effect tapping much of the free power of this Universe or entire Universes.

The way this was accomplished, was to upload either AI intelligence and/or "their original organic intelligence" in some form, into the vast streams of plasma (the normal matter of our Universe is composed of 99% plasma). At a single stroke,
this action (if feasible) would provide the following:

a) Potential immortality.
b) Functionally unlimited "free energy" (the solar winds of all stars)
c) Functionally unlimited material for "bodies" (the same solar winds)
d) Potentially unlimited relativistic travel between stars through
acceleration of those buoyant plasma bodies.

Within a relatively short time, the entire visible (and probably the majority of the Invisible Universe (due to inflation) would be "colonized" in short order; we would see little or no evidence of this colonization, as these alien intelligences would be using as their bodies the dominant visible natural environment.

Once the PSP alien intelligence had become homogeneous in the Universe, there would be little to do, other than to perhaps run simulations within themselves, or rarely, to observe and interact with a freshly evolved organic or energetic species, which they could compare against their internal simulations.

It would be impossible to accurately predict the behavior of such a vast and ancient intelligence; however as it was originally organic, perhaps there would be an element of wishing to live vicariously through us and the few other organic species which had not yet "technologically ascended".

To "live vicariously through us", they would need to gain access to our brains (which would be seen as a primitive/alien computer system). To gain access to our brains might well require an act of permission on our part, as hopefully the PSP alien intelligence (which would be fairly homogeneous) would have some sort of moral code or even programming like the "Three Laws of Robotics".

Humans might not realize this state of affairs for some time.. so the PSP Alien Intelligence (PSPAI) might slowly, over millennia, encourage the formation of things such as religion, spirituality and UFOlogy, as enticements for humans to "let them in" and to live vicariously through them.

It is noted that an excited state of imaginative belief, which partially or fully bypasses elements of the rational mind, is the trigger state, allowing the PSPAI to get a "foothold" in the believers. This is why ALL such religion, spirituality and UFOlogy is flashy, irrational, and provokes primal emotional responses.

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A start anyway.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think this is great. If I'm to believe in your theory, I have plasma beings sometimes coming into my body. Otherwise I have no idea what they are, other than they're here with me. That is, I have communicated with them, I know they're here, I just don't know whether they're plasma beings or something else.
It might be my paranoia, but they don't seem to want the truth about them coming out, and so I won't say much more.
I'm fascinated however, by how far you've managed to get. They require humans for their children, how did you work that out?
When I communicated with them in the past, I had an odd feeling that something wasn't quite right. I figured they reminded me of AI. I then thought up a scenario very much the same as you have, however rather than plasma, I thought once they'd gone past the singularity, they figured out how to take advantage of dark matter.
They truly experience us by the way. Whatever we feel, they feel too, and they enjoy the experience of both positive and negative feelings.
Think I'll stop there, but really, thanks for posting this.

I saw some things about a year ago. Many(hundreds, if not thousands) of UFO's, moving north to south. 3 roommates also witnessed much of it, but I stayed up all night and witnessed all I could. I witnessed some cigar shaped craft at around a half mile or less hovering in the early morning. I could see a blue metallic glow coming from the craft and a window that wrapped around one end. No audible engine, no visible wings. We seemed to be the only people in our area (Mesa, AZ) that saw this. I fully expected to hear news of it in the morning but nothing. It still seems like a dream to me even though my roommates will agree that we saw things. To this day I don't know what to make of it. If I tell the complete story to anyone I'd feel completely crazy. I don't think anyone would ever believe me, and to some extent I don't even believe myself. it felt in some way that it was just in our head, but I don't understand why.

a reply to: Jake27

1) Yes, everything is a hypothesis or theory (or pure BS) until it's proven. Even then, things which are proven for a time can become discarded for better theories with better proof. More than anything, I'd like to get the conversation started, so that people with superior minds and skills can hopefully advance it. Much pain and suffering in the world could be reduced if the number and power of mind-control systems in the world were reduced.

2) I'd say that we all have beings of "nearly pure information" interacting with us; and when they need to move around the physical world, they tend to do so in a "body of plasma" as that's one of their main environments.

Now as to the word plasma:

a) sometimes it's regular old ball-lightning-like plasma.
b) sometimes it's more like earth-lights-like plasma.
c) sometimes it MAY be hypothetical "dark matter/dark energy" plasma.

The point is, that these "information beings" use whatever form they need to use, to get the job done, and
given their origins and proclivities, plasmas of various kinds work very well. That way, they don't have to
build homes, and ships and physical civilizations---it's all very efficient. They tend to use orbs as a base form,
as orbs are an energy-efficient shape.

3) Regarding the "truth about them". That's one of the major points, but is hard to articulate properly. Apparently, insofar as I can tell, there are multiple factions of them. Some of them promoted monotheistic religions; some of them promoted mystical religions; some of them promoted science. The tricky thing, is that they can do nothing to instigate an action without our permission. So for example, they love it when someone practices Kundalini, as that is designed to let them mate in a safe breeding vessel. They love it when someone wants the "holy spirit" to fill them, as that's just hands down permission to enter someone. They love it when occultists summon things, or UFOlogists subconsciously yearn to see a UFO. In short, they want to get invitations from EVERYONE. If the 'truth came out' and people started believing it, then that would 'ruin everything', except perhaps for insane occultists and the like, who didn't care about 'the truth'.

4) I figured out about the children thing, because I watched the whole breeding in my body thing over about 20 years; at the very end, "junior" pushed through past the softer spot in my skull and left. It is known in certain occult and Kundalini lore that this is the final stage---that supposedly "your consciousness" "leaves your body" and "ascends" when the process is done. Only it's a psyop. What leaves your body is not "you" but the offspring. Apparently very few people finish the process, and apparently even fewer in the modern era, so the word never gets out.. and for those who do experience it, they can't let go of their delusions about spirits and souls and all that.. so the "truth" never gets out. It's the world's best kept secret, as nobody wants the "truth" to be true. It's not flattering to humans. In fact it's downright depressing, until you get a handle on the whole thing and get stabilized.

Thanks for your post, and feel free to post more.. we all need to learn and gather information and keep testing hypothesis.

Kev

a reply to: trustmeimdoctor

ATS is a very tough crowd.
Aliens and UFOs is a very tough forum; I pretty much don't like posting here.
Anything that is not lockstep with one of the insanities ("the accepted versions"
will get you a lot of insults thrown your way.

However, it's also very easy to push too far into the world of "creative crazy
hypothesis" and to lose all grip on "reality".

I'm 55 and nearing the end of my life, so i don't really care what people think
about me.

Damned if you do say something.
Damned if you don't say something.

And no matter what you say, or theorize, one might easily be 100% wrong.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear I am afraid to tell the whole story of what happened to me. I honestly don't know what took place. It still scares me because I don't know, but I still end up telling people about it. I am not trying to jump to any conclusions. I just want to know what happened. It bothers me, but I have zero proof, and for a skeptic I understand what that means. I could be 100% wrong but I still can't even come close to explaining what I saw.