Okay --- so WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS?

a reply to: interupt42

at least trump put a clause to prevent revolving door habits

A clause in what?

a reply to: desert

Supposedly restricting his cabinet with 5 year anti revolving door. Although, I'm sure there will be work arounds.

a reply to: desert

I just find it somewhat disingenuous to assume anyone will do anything before they even take office. Trump has made no secret of his disdain for sitting Congressmen, and Congress has returned the sentiments. Add in the fact that Trump is not a typical politician and will likely not operate as we would expect a politician to, and nothing is for certain.

I choose to withhold judgement on the actions taken during the next term until actions are actually taken. Anything less is just writing a fiction novel.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck

I choose to withhold judgement on the actions taken during the next term until actions are actually taken. Anything less is just writing a fiction novel.

TheRedneck

I would like to take that sentiment.

Then I look at his cabinet choices.

a reply to: Annee

So far, I have concerns about the cabinet choices too. But taking a closer look, I can see what he's going for:

• Jessica Sessions, Attorney General
  
  Sessions has a history of being tough on crime, regardless of how high that criminal activity goes. He'll prosecute his own mother if she's guilty.
  
  
• Wilbur Ross, Secretary of Commerce
  
  Ross has made his fortune manipulating failing businesses. He should know what is causing bankruptcies better than 99% of the population, and better than 100% of the government. If the idea is to help business prosper in order to rebuild the economy and create jobs, the person in charge needs to intimately understand what exactly is causing businesses to fail.
  
  
• James Mattison, Secretary of Defense
  
  "Mad Dog" Mattis is a hard-line military man, known for fighting wars effectively. The military was never intended to be a police force; its purpose is to destroy the enemy when and if an enemy arises. Quite probably my favorite choice thus far.
  
  
• Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education
  
  DeVos may be a wealthy political donor, but she is also a strong advocate for improving schools through alternative means. After all, what we have done thus far in education is simply not working. And a well-educated populace is a boon to economic development.
  
  
• Tom Price, Secretary of Health and Human Services
  
  Political experience both as a surgeon and as a policymaker, he also seems to understand what the problems are with Obamacare. While Obamacare has been good for some, it has been a total disaster for most (including me). It needs to be completely revamped while there's still a medical industry to fix.
  
  
• John Kelley, Secretary of Homeland Security
  
  A retired General, familiar with the situation in Central America. He is staunchly anti-drug and staunchly anti-Muslim-extremist terrorism.
  
  
• Ben Carson, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
  
  Carson grew up in the Projects, and therefore has an insight into the problems around urban slums.
  
  
• Andrew Puzder, Secretary of Labor
  
  Experience with actually running a company that employs a tremendous number of workers.
  
  
• Elaine Chao, Secretary of Transportation
  
  Not sure about experience on this one, save her previous experience as Deputy Secretary under Bush. I guess that counts as experience?
  
  
• Steven Mnuchin, Secretary of the Treasury
  
  A very successful investor with a keen eye for finances.
  
  
• Reince Priebus, Chief of Staff
  
  Obviously a political move designed to assist Trump in working with Congress... as was Mike Pence.
  
  
• Scott Pruitt, Secretary of Energy
  
  Not a believer in the Global Warming propaganda and an advocate for fossil fuel production. Like it or not, this country cannot survive without energy, and there is presently no viable substitute for fossil fuels. Also, the proposed 'solutions' to Global Warming are the equivalent of outlawing sufficient energy production and denying power to the poor.
  
  
• Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State
  
  I think he was picked precisely because of his experience negotiating with the Russians. One does not avoid war by angering the opposition, and believe you me, we do not want war with Russia. Peace is preferable.

With few exceptions, every candidate has in-depth ground-level experience with their proposed functions. While I am concerned about some aspects of his choices (Sessions is staunchly anti-marijuana, while I support legalization), I am willing to wait and see actions before I condemn them.

TheRedneck

I have a rebuttal for every. single. one. of these (and I'm going to graciously point out that your post lacks adequate
editing)

Let's start with JEFF SESSIONS.

He'll prosecute his own mother if she's guilty.

And
Wants to outlaw abortion altogether.
Voted NO on teens being educated and provided with birth control.
Warmonger.
Vicious anti-marijuana stance.
Wants to outlaw homosexuality.
Against tax reform to address income inequality.
And he's a RACIST. So racist that he was denied a seat on the SCOTUS.

He's so quick to prosecute - that's like Trump and his "special prosecutor" threats. Sessions, if he has his way, will make all of those things above illegal and then prosecute - sickening.

Trump has called Sessions a “world-class legal mind,” but others are not quite so sure. “If you have nostalgia for the days when blacks kept quiet, gays were in the closet, immigrants were invisible, and women stayed in the kitchen, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is your man,” said Democratic congressman Luis Gutierrez in a statement.

Jeff Sessions Women's Rights Record




I'm going to stop there. If anyone wants me to provide rebuttals for the others, I can do that, too.

a reply to: TheRedneck

The EDUCATION lady is a Dominionist who wants Christianity taught in schools. That is a bad thing.

The ENERGY secretary IS NOT PRUITT. It is Perry.

Pruitt is in charge of the EPA.

Not a believer in the Global Warming propaganda and an advocate for fossil fuel production. Like it or not, this country cannot survive without energy, and there is presently no viable substitute for fossil fuels. Also, the proposed 'solutions' to Global Warming are the equivalent of outlawing sufficient energy production and denying power to the poor.

Here's that "alternate reality" thing -- there ARE viable substitutes for fossil fuels, and fracking DOES cause earthquakes, and the solutions are about getting past the freaking industrial revolution and into CLEAN ENERGY. No one said we won't have any energy. That's stupid.

Freaking TILLERSON has NEVER had any other job than for Exxon. Exxon. Remember the oil spill disaster? Exxon.
Russia is not our friend. Tillerson is tight with Russians. So he's ANOTHER oil baron fossil fuel dinosaur-brain...as secretary of state? Holy god and all the angels above we have, seriously, just been taken over by Russia.

This was a coups. Do you not see that? The RUSSIA thing is REAL AND TRUE. So is Global Warming. Abortion is necessary and teens need to be educated. Jesus in school is inappropriate and backward. Doing away with minimum wage is reprehensible.

No matter WHAT silver linings you present, there are far, far worse lead balloons in store under these monstrosities.
And Elaine Chao? What the???? Mitch McConnell's wife. He's a sycophant, and everyone knows it.

PERRY? Really?? The drunk who couldn't remember the third agency he wanted to dismantle (it was the EPA) is now ENERGY SECRETARY?
What do you see as okay about that one?

Mr Redneck, coal mining is not going to continue as it has historically. It is filthy and bad and dangerous and kills people prematurely. There are alternative technologies providing "Clean Coal", but you don't want to explore or expand those further, right? Tell me, do you have children? Grandchildren?

Would you send your children down into the mines and not worry about them? Or would you prefer they learn the new technologies and sciences to get us OFF of this archaic cycle?


MNUCHIN is a Goldman Sachs guy - and even Bannon thinks that one is a mistake!

Shall we just go ahead and vet ALL of them, right here? And have our own little mini-consideration-committee hearing about these folks?

For now let's just say that Trump is picking his team and it is all of the SWAMP CREATURES that own the government anyway. If they're so effective, why have they not already dismantled everything with their deep deep pockets and buying off politicia...........oh. wait.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Sessions: If you had read my entire post, you would have seen the part where I already disagreed with Session's stanice on legalization. And he's so much of a racist that he effectively killed the KKK in Alabama. For shame, Jeff!

Side note: the labels mean nothing anymore. I now translate the terms "racist," "sexist," "homophobe," etc. as "I don't like them and can't explain why" and nothing more. That's what happens when you abuse a term.

DeVos: what in the blue blazes is a "dominoist"? Does she say uncaring things about dominoes?

Public education is in the toilet. We are so far behind the rest of the world in education, we are a joke to other countries. If it's broke, fix it... don't throw a sheet over it and tell everyone it's working fine.

Pruitt: Global Warming is a scam, and always has been. Period.

As for clean energy alternatives, what, pray tell, are these miracles you speak of? Wind? At what point do we pull enough energy out of wind currents to seriously affect the weather and climate? I believe we may be approaching that point already. Not to mention, wind power is not viable for most areas. It has worked well so far out west, but that's about it.

Hydro? I love hydro power! Too bad we're running out of rivers to dam.

Solar? Keep dreaming. Solar is great for low-voltage DC niche applications, but is completely impractical for high-voltage AC applications like our electrical grid. It is the most expensive, least dependable, and least efficient method of electrical production we have just considering low-voltage DC applications, and even more so when considering the battery capacity and inverter technology required for transmission purposes.

That leaves us with fossil fuels and nuclear. And too many people are scared witless of nuclear.

You earlier in this thread berated me viciously because you felt I was disrespecting your forte. Well, you just stepped into mine.

Tillerson: Russia is not our friend. I wish they were. Maybe you dream at night of nukes going off in Moscow, but I would like to see peaceful relations between countries. That does not include conquest of Russia; it includes reasonable talks with Russia.

And I don't think his duties will include handling oil shipments as SoS.

Chao: Sycophant? What's that, an elephant with the flu?

I know when something good is happening, because folks begin pulling out new labels. Seriously, though, I do understand what you mean: "I don't like her and I can't explain why."

Perry: Coal will now continue, despite your objections, although not as before. The days of miners working 16 hours with a canary in the cage are going away already. There are new mining techniques being developed all the time, and clean coal technology is exactly that: a cleaner alternative to a dirty fuel.



My point was that each of these people have personal experience in their respective positions and represent new untested ideas. The country just chose a different path from the last 8 (I would say 20+) years. New path; new ideas. This is what is going to be, cries of despair and 'protests' against open elections notwithstanding.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Not ONE of the things I mentioned about Sessions had to do with weed. It has to do with women's rights. pro-choice health care. He also wants to claim a fertilized egg is a human being with a right to health care. Preposterous.
He is rabidly anti-gay, and anti-sex education, and anti-contraception.

So you are pro-cannabis. Hooray. So am I. But I am NOT someone who wants to legislate MORALITY. And Sessions is someone who DOES WANT TO LEGISLATE MORALITY. But not the crooked antics of bankers. Just the regular Joe and Jill Timeclocks who mostly mind their own business and make their own decisions like grown-ups. And I DID read your entire post, more than once.


Now ---- DOMINIONIST:
Wants a theocracy. Believes that every aspect of society should be Evangelical -- teaching "bible stories" instead of science. Run the entire country from a Born-Again-Christian point of view, and teach children absolute rubbish lies as SCIENCE and HISTORY. This is NOT OKAY.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Chao: Sycophant? What's that, an elephant with the flu?

No. Chao is McConnell's wife....McConnell is a suckup. Think of it that way: sycophant: Courtier. Suck-up. Brown-noser. Fidelity to big money and big power.

a reply to: TheRedneck

New path; new ideas. This is what is going to be, cries of despair and 'protests' against open elections notwithstanding.

No. OLD PATH, TIRED IDEAS.
That's what it's going to be, returning to your old-skool no-longer-effective ways.
There's nothing NEW about these ideas. Except having no government at all, removing all checks and balances, legislating morality, polluting our environment with no regard for the health of the planet, forbidding people to love who they want.

Sickening. And now Putin is our president. Trump is his ambassador.
Nice.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Are you aware that Jeff Sessions is presently a Senator? Guess what Senators do... they make laws!

Attorney Generals do not make laws. Attorney Generals only enforce laws already made. So if you are serious about your concerns, I would think you would be happy he's not going to be making laws anymore.

Personally, I though he did a pretty good job as our Senator. I hate to see him leave.

We cannot have a theocracy in this country under our Constitution. It is forbidden to the government to try and do so. And, like you, I consider that a good thing.

Still not sure about Chao... but really, judging her by who she's married to is kinda textbook definition of "sexist," isn't it?

TheRedneck

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Amazing... I am astounded at how all this has happened with Obama as President. So Obama, in his last days, has removed all checks and balances from government, legislated morality (actually, he's been doing that one for 8 years, agreed), pushed for environmental pollution, and rescinded gay rights? Wow, maybe you should be angry with him.

And now Putin is our president. Trump is his ambassador.

No, actually Barack Obama is our President.

TheRedneck

I cut and pasted what I wrote in another thread. To understand what we are in store for over the coming years....

One has to read the 1980 Libertarian Party platform [below] to understand what today's Republican Party is all about. What David Koch could not do in 1980, he has patiently waited and spent his money to influence and finally take over the GOP. When the Koch machine finally saw that Donald Trump had no ideology, they gave him one, through Robert Mercer, a Koch ideologue.

It is about getting rid of all functions of the fed govt save military and a limited very limited few. The Koch call to lower taxes was not so Joe Taxpayer could "get to keep what is his" or Corporation Joe could have more money to trickle down into the economy. It was all about defunding govt to "make govt small enough to drown it in a bathtub".

Trump's choices for cabinet positions are there to make sure the departments fail. Choosing people with no experience is a great way to ensure failure. Rick Perry, his latest pick (Energy Sec), would be in charge of the very cabinet he could not name as one of the ones he wanted to get rid of!

I have to laugh at people who say that Trump will not touch their Social Security and Medicare. HA! Read the 1980 platform. Gone.

And without federal civil rights, states rights discrimination will return.

This Koch coup is the coup de grace for the federal govt.

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”

“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.” “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

a reply to: desert

What you wrote simply describes the rift between segments of the population. More Federal governance vs. less. I am on the side of less, and I can explain my positions that support that:

• Education has declined in effectiveness, parental involvement, discipline in classrooms, and fair equitable treatment for all students under Federal control. Other countries now produce more, better engineers, scientists, doctors, and educators than we do, some even though being considered third-world countries. Our dropout rate is shameful. Teachers spend more time trying to control unruly children without bending any of a gazillion regulations than they do teaching, and what little time is spent teaching is used to teach only what is on achievement tests instead of actual comprehension.
  
  
• The EPA, instead of ensuring true pollution is being curtailed, spends it's time spreading carbon dioxide propaganda, seizing private property because it contains a puddle, therefore is a 'wetland' and must be 'protected,' or trying to cover up their past mistakes.
  
  
• Our military has been transformed into a global police force which most sovereign countries want no part of. As a result, we spent our way into ridiculous debt destabilizing areas of the globe in the process. We are now a war-mongering nation.
  
  
• The DEA has spent billions to stop the use of a relatively harmless plant while ignoring dangerous drugs that destroy our youth.
  
  
• Obamacare and HPPA have decreased effective patient care, increased costs, hurt economic growth, frustrated healthcare professionals, and presented a huge financial burden on those who can least afford it, all the while filling the pockets of big insurance firms who do nothing you heal the sick.
  
  
• Immigration has made it tremendously difficult to legally enter this country, while making it extremely easy to enter it illegally, leading to horrendous human rights crimes on our own soil, a collapsing economy, and rampant crime near the border... and away from it in some cases.

That's a partial list of the failures we have seen under a ballooning Federal government. Given that, yes, I want as little Federal governance as possible. I realize it will be harder for protesters to change the country and control people, having to change state by state instead of getting a couple judges to sweep the nation with their utopian agenda, but that's called "democracy."

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Well, the federal govt does get blamed for a lot of things. In truth, it always has.

But blaming schools for not guiding students when students aren't guided at home, and drug addicts blaming their behavior on the actions of govt, is a refusal to take personal responsibility. No Child Left Behind, while it did many good things, morphed into govt subsidizing the testing industry, which resulted in draconian laws for public schools in order to test more, while at the same time subsidizing corporate/private schools as refugees from those draconian laws. And NCLB morphed into Common Core.

A lack of "engineers, scientists, doctors, and educators" is not the fault of govt. Our society doesn't value those areas as we once did decades ago. We value business majors. To Americans, science is "junk"; we whine that mathematics is "too hard"; we deride those with any smarts as being "elite".

Yes, having made talking points about "puddles" and "carbon tax" and "global warming", we say nothing about air or water pollution. And pollution doesn't stop at state borders. In fact global pollution doesn't stay in one country, it goes global.

We have been war mongers for decades, the "world's policeman" since WW2, and trillions in debt after the Bush wars that were put on a credit card. Interesting, though, the Koch ideology would leave the main function of govt as military, and all the money in Washington and dark money and legalized bribery will keep it well fed.

Sure agree about private insurance! And Obamacare was all about private insurance. And the New Republican Party believes only in private insurance. And the right to sue when you are harmed by health care.... as any regulations go out the window, leaving only the threat of a or actual lawsuit as the necessary remedy. ... haha better give your money to a bank or Wall Street to start that Lawsuit Savings Account.

Unlike corporations etal, I don't like hiring illegal workers. And under the Koch ideology, labor (as well as capital) is free to cross borders. Solves the problem of corporations wanting to illegally hire workers, just make everybody everywhere legal!

Koch ideology wants to not just manage govt better but to do away with it.... make it so small it can be drowned in a bathtub. The main goal of this ideology has always been to dismantle the New Deal. And this ideology drumbeat has increased in temp in recent years.

From 2010

Is Obama Trying to Dismantle Roosevelt's New Deal?

From 2012

Dismantling FDR’s Legacy

Current

Trump Cabinet: Little Change, Much Wealth, Destroy the New Deal, Suck Up the Swamp Money

Donald Trump’s Art of the New Deal?

a reply to: TheRedneck

having to change state by state instead of getting a couple judges to sweep the nation with their utopian agenda

That has been the Koch strategy in their war on the federal govt. They now realize they don't have to do this, with the New Republican Party having full power of all three branches.

So, yeah, Utah can sell off all their public land to resource extractors and pollute their state, but someone somewhere is downwind of all the pollution. And without national civil rights, lunch counters would now be able to refuse service to a lot more groups of people. And states would not allow abortion. And states would have to allow free access for the national policy of open borders... i.e. free flow of labor (and capital).

Welcome to dystopia.

a reply to: desert

Thank you. THANK YOU for saying what I've been unable to adequately articulate (apparently).

a reply to: TheRedneck

lame. so very lame. you're out of arguments,then. or playing the semantics game. or sniping and thinking I won't get it.
ha ha

I knew you weren't up to it.
smh
fp

a reply to: desert

No Child Left Behind, while it did many good things, morphed into govt subsidizing the testing industry, which resulted in draconian laws for public schools in order to test more, while at the same time subsidizing corporate/private schools as refugees from those draconian laws. And NCLB morphed into Common Core.

You are absolutely right.

Much of the fault lies in parental control, as you say. But today, parents are all but forbidden in schools except to pick up and drop off children. I know this because I felt like some sort of criminal intruder every time I inquired about my kids' education. One does not fix a lack of supervision by removing the ability to supervise.

Fault also lies with the Federal government, though, for enforcing the draconian policies. Children are not small adults. They do not think or act like adults and must be taught to do so. That is both the responsibility of the schools and parents, the parents for establishing boundaries and teaching morals (by action preferably), and the schools for reinforcing the accepted rules of conduct for society.

Instead, we now have both the parents abdicating responsibility, and the schools rabidly accepting that responsibility and then ignoring it. Teachers become the primary disciplinarians instead of the school authorities. And when things get out of hand for the teachers, they turn to the only help left: the police. Thus we have prison sentences for a 6 year old throwing a fit in class.

In the meantime, there's no time to teach the children.

In my day, if anyone got out of line with the teacher, the teacher did not discipline. The kid was sent to the principal's office. There they received disciplinary measures... sometimes a warning, sometimes a paddling, sometimes a meeting with parents, sometimes a suspension or even expulsion. The teacher kept teaching. We need to get back to that system.

A lack of "engineers, scientists, doctors, and educators" is not the fault of govt. Our society doesn't value those areas as we once did decades ago. We value business majors. To Americans, science is "junk"; we whine that mathematics is "too hard"; we deride those with any smarts as being "elite".

I lump that under the same heading as the above. As a certified professional math tutor, it is my experience that the reason math is "too hard" is that it was never taught to be anything but hard. Mathematics is a language; nothing more. You learn the rules of grammar, then to read, and finally to write in math.

So as kids grow up, they are prepared for nothing more than an easy degree... and business administration has a (undeserved now) reputation of being an easy degree with a good payoff. In actuality, that market is overloaded and becoming more so every graduation. Engineers, scientists, even technicians have a much better shot at a good, high-paying job than most other disciplines, because there are so few of us.

We agree on the pollution issue. I don't foresee a time when there is no Federal agency to combat polluting practices by industry. I do see the EPA being stripped of much of its power until it can be set straight, or possibly replaced with a more streamlined and appropriate agency. That would not be the fault of anyone except those who turned it into the disaster it is today (in both parties).

We have been war mongers for decades, the "world's policeman" since WW2, and trillions in debt after the Bush wars that were put on a credit card. Interesting, though, the Koch ideology would leave the main function of govt as military, and all the money in Washington and dark money and legalized bribery will keep it well fed.

I honestly know little about this Koch policy... I do not trust the Koch Brothers, if they are involved. But I do know Trump's statements during his campaign more more libertarian on the military: protect national interests, but otherwise stay out of other people's business. I agree with his statements to that.

Sure agree about private insurance! And Obamacare was all about private insurance.

The real problem with Obamacare was over-regulation. Because people could not afford health insurance, the Federal government mandated health insurance. The assistance came in the form of a tax break, but how does lower taxes in April help the guy who can't pay his May premium? Plus, can anyone believe that companies as greedy as insurance companies would not raise rates when they knew everyone was required by law to buy their product? Especially when by law they now had to cover new things like pre-existing conditions?

Obviously I think the pre-existing condition clause as well as allowing children to stay on their family's insurance longer are great ideas. I hope they are part of whatever Trump proposes. But any national health plan has got to be one that allows everyone to get health care. Single-payer, while I don't know if our society is ready for it yet, would be far far preferable to the oligarchical system now in place. Personally I would like a system based on individual choice, with built-in aid for the indigent and limits on how much a person could be destroyed by a medical catastrophe. The cost could be split between the medical professionals (especially considering the amount of deregulation and simpler collections they could expect) and the Federal entitlement system. It is relatively easy to go get drunk on food stamps if you know the right people... not so much if the Feds are covering that operation.

Think about providing service... not money for the indigent. Money should be worked for.

Unlike corporations etal, I don't like hiring illegal workers. And under the Koch ideology, labor (as well as capital) is free to cross borders. Solves the problem of corporations wanting to illegally hire workers, just make everybody everywhere legal!

That is the exact opposite of Trump's mandate, and of his promises. I don't think, after reading that, we have much to worry about from this Koch plan.

TheRedneck