2016 ELECTION RESULTS

originally posted by: burntheships
So it seems that it is The Mainstream Media that is holding up
the Michigan results rightly going to Trump.

When asked why media outlets have not called Michigan
for Trump Secretary of State spokesman Fred Woodhams
said "You would have to ask the media outlets that question".

Suspect reporting is coming from Politico and Detroit Free Press.

Actual vote count is 13,107 more votes for Trump, not being a close
enough margin to trigger a recount.

When Michigan is called, and Arizona this will give Trump
306 electoral votes. Add New Hampshire for Clinton this
will give her 232.

CNN is projecting Trump will will the popular vote also.

www.breitbart.com... -win/

Sheesh, that would be pouring salt into the wound >.<

In a way I hope not, we have enough riots on our hands, the last thing we need to fuel any further outbreaks is ummmm fact or summpin.

originally posted by: burntheships
So it seems that it is The Mainstream Media that is holding up
the Michigan results rightly going to Trump.

When asked why media outlets have not called Michigan
for Trump Secretary of State spokesman Fred Woodhams
said "You would have to ask the media outlets that question".

Suspect reporting is coming from Politico and Detroit Free Press.

Actual vote count is 13,107 more votes for Trump, not being a close
enough margin to trigger a recount.

When Michigan is called, and Arizona this will give Trump
306 electoral votes. Add New Hampshire for Clinton this
will give her 232.

CNN is projecting Trump will will the popular vote also.

www.breitbart.com... -win/

The MSM started the "hold up" agenda on election night when they took 3 hours to announce Trump won PA.

They are now keeping some people thinking Hillary actually won the election.

All we can do is keep exposing the lies.

It will be a continuous and fun fight.

originally posted by: xuenchen

They are now keeping some people thinking Hillary actually won the election.

Intentional. Just like the rigged polls. Because Hillary
is a special snowflake.

LOL!

Pathetic!

All we can do is keep exposing the lies.

It will be a continuous and fun fight.

Yep, wonder whats next? Oh boy....

originally posted by: alphabetaone


Sheesh, that would be pouring salt into the wound >.<

They cant stall forever, maybe one more day ...

Might as well get it over with?

Looks like Mexico has offered to come to the table to change NAFTA.
Paying for the wall after all?

World leaders seem to be beating a path to Trump's door.

AZ called, for Trump.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
AZ called, for Trump.

Once Mi is called, that will be 306.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: alphabetaone


Sheesh, that would be pouring salt into the wound >.<

They cant stall forever, maybe one more day ...

Might as well get it over with?

Hahaha yea. I was simply being facetious, but I agree. Just get it over with already

Looking at my state, WA, the vote is less than 70% in, and most of the areas that are not in yet, or added to the total, are in republican voting areas. I checked other states where its still not all in, and the popular count should easily be in Trumps favor. The MSM is pishing a narrative. They wont give us the true numbers 2 days after the election still. There is the evidence of rigging.

a reply to: alphabetaone

I caught you at the end there, I figured.

Back to the election results...

We are still waiting on Michigan, but not because of Michigan...

This is why the media can not be trusted, they simply refuse
to report the truth unless it suits their agenda.

a reply to: UKTruth

This is good news

As of today with only 68% of the results in CA:

Clinton 61.5%
Trump 33.2%

I think Trump actually did well there, considering its Cali.

But they are showing every county as 100% reported.
Where are the other 32% outstanding coming from?

Of the other states, most of the states won by Clinton are also way behind in reporting:
DC 81%
MD 87%
OR 86%
WA 60%

Alaska went to Trump and is still behind, but they are Alaska, so it makes sense.

Why are mostly Clinton winning states slow to report?

a reply to: BlueAjah

Did Clinton win in any states that use paper ballots?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

That makes sense!

But why are all counties in CA reporting 100% reported yet the state total says 68% counted?

I have to look into this a bit more.

ETA:
I see, I think.
100% of the counties reported but:

County elections officials will continue counting ballots (vote-by-mail, provisional, etc.) during the 30-day post-election canvass period.

vote.sos.ca.gov...
Unprocessed ballots

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I was actually looking a bit because I was wondering how the popular vote will be changing.
It would be nice if Trump pulled ahead. Maybe these poor heartbroken protestors might calm down a bit.
Not that the popular vote matters, but it might ease their minds.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I was actually looking a bit because I was wondering how the popular vote will be changing.
It would be nice if Trump pulled ahead. Maybe these poor heartbroken protestors might calm down a bit.
Not that the popular vote matters, but it might ease their minds.

I think, at this point, nothing short of a full recall and supplanting of Clinton into the Oval office will calm them down any....it's a sad state of affairs really.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: BlueAjah

Did Clinton win in any states that use paper ballots?

Don't know about that...but I have heard rumors that all the states who still tally with an abacus will be reporting in
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

A few yes.

Compare the dark gray states on this map:

ballotpedia.org...

With this:

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I said before the election that my biggest fear as someone not voting for either of them was not which would win, but rather that both ends of the ideological and political spectrum in this country would continue to ignore the real pain - and as we know, unaddressed and unrelieved pain eventually becomes anger - on both sides; would not empathize with one another; would not treat one another any longer truly as countrymen/women and genuinely want to see them happy, healthy, and prosperous, and instead, would continue to become ever more polarized and incapable of dialogue or polity.

That continues to be my fear & I honestly think the aftermath of this election bears that out even more.

Why was Trump so popular? In my opinion, it was first and foremost because middle America is experiencing enormous economic pain and has for a long long time now, pain ignored largely by both parties, but which much of middle America justifiably pins on Democratic policy. The Democratic party has, in my opinion, completely ignored this pain, while at the same time, pushing for curtailment of the second amendment (either literally, or in the eyes of these same middle America voters, either one of which should be something any ostensibly representative government should care about.) Yet rather than acknowledging or working to ameliorate this, the Democratic party has instead chosen to denigrate those people as racists, "irredeemable," uneducated (even though more white college educated voters chose Trump than they ever thought would - they should take note) etc.

Likewise, why was Obama so popular before he was elected? What caused his groundswell, his movement? (Let us not ignore that both he and Trump relied on a burgeoning populism or at least an attempt to appeal to one, and were described as "movements." So was Sanders. The thirst for populism in this country has been overlooked by both parties' establishments imo!) It was his suggestions of racial reconciliation in this country, particularly in his, "But it is how we start," speech, that launched the viability of his candidacy early on. He also promised to hold Wall Street accountable for 2008. But sadly, neither came to fruition under his administration. If anything, racial tensions have only grown, & corporate interests remain entrenched. This not only disappointed his own supporters, it simply fueled the other side's already existing anger and cynicism about Democrats.

So then you have Obamacare. While objectively it did ensure and get access to insurance for millions who lacked it previously, eliminated existing condition restrictions, etc. (good things imo,) it also saw premiums skyrocket for much more than the small percentage we were all assured would be the only ones to "fall through the cracks," which just piled even more economic weight on the backs of those already justifiably angry, fed up voters who don't necessarily live in massive cities with huge social safety nets to help them cope with their co-pays and huge premiums... at a time when finding employment has also been tough. Also hurt some businesses. (All horrible things imo.)

Now Trump - whether one really believes this is who he is or what he intends to do or not - rose to prominence using rhetoric that makes those on the left and minorities incredibly and justifiably worried about civil rights. (I'm one of them, despite not being a Clinton voter.) While at the same time, many fear social programs that many of our poor & disabled rely on for literal survival will now be gutted, because some on the right believe a policy of sink or swim is the right way to go, or that many who rely on these programs don't really need them in the first place. (I share these concerns, again, even though I am not a Clinton voter.)

The fact that most on the left thought Trump had almost no chance of winning and even now are blaming racism and sexism rather than the real pain of those middle American voters I keep talking about who are hurting and have been for a long time, is another example of the incredible isolation and self-reinforcing echo chambers both sides live in in my opinion. Even Michael Moore saw this reality and said it could hand Trump victory. Everyone called him crazy, as usual.

Likewise, that many on the right see those who are now truly afraid of what certain Trump policies now may mean for them as simply "SJW cucks who want free stuff," rather than fellow Americans who fear they are in real danger, is another example of the same aforementioned isolation and self-reinforcing echo chambers both sides live in in my opinion.

To avoid this vicious cycle, although anathema, compromise is necessary.

It wouldn't have to be this way verbatim, but as an example:

"Hey, brother and/or sister, fellow American, fellow human being: how about this. I will work to protect your most vulnerable, if you work to protect mine. Your poor, working class middle American supporters desperately need jobs, economic vibrancy, and fair treatment via safety nets for literal survival, and my poor working class and impoverished American supporters need the same. Let's find a way to do both rather than just one or the other.

At the same time, while I disagree with you about a lot, I think you're right that our trade agreements could probably be renegotiated. I'm not as anti-globalism personally as you, but I hear where you're coming from, and I agree with you that it seems clear we do need to bring more jobs back to the U.S. than we have. So let's find a middle ground. Let's agree that the present deals are not conducive to abundant jobs here and work together to fix that.

Oh and by the way, while personally I'm deeply concerned about gun violence... how about I sacrifice that position for the sake of all, because I respect that it is a sacred issue for you, and because the second amendment is part of our constitution whether I regard it as highly as the 1st and 4th or not. How about we just agree to background checks and maybe even some sort of training - hell you guys like gun ranges, and I've been to a few and find them very educational and helpful - So let's get together and use those to facilitate people knowing what they need to about gun safety so that people can be safe and own guns.

And yeah, putting people on terrorist watch lists and no fly lists without due process is probably a horrible idea. Let's not do that either, or if we do, let's certainly not tie their second amendment rights to that because even though I'm otherwise quite liberal, I agree with Trey Gowdy that that's a terrible precedent and unconstitutional. No bans."

But instead, both sides just loath one another and have zero will toward common ground. That that will only grow and worsen is my fear. Not which of them currently holds power. Will this change under Trump? I am trying to remain hopeful and give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope so. I support any efforts to do so on his part fully and wholeheartedly. I do not hate him, or his supporters. Nor Democrats.

I do see his nascent cabinet and advisers forming though... and so far, they are comprised of the same sort of Washington "insiders" he said he wished to be rid of by "draining the swamp." Gingrinch, John Bolton (PNAC co-director,) and many others. We shall see.

My prayer is not for anyone's victory, but civility & mutual concern

Peace.

Donald Trump has had a lot of success in business, but how will he be for the economy as president? How his economic policies would play out?