Tennessee Mom Throws A Fit When Her Daughter Learns About Islam In School

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluntone22

Comparing guns to Muslims is an apples to oranges comparison. They are VERY different topics with different sets of nuanced issues.

Oh bull,

Many people fear Muslims because of the actions of a few.
Many people fear illegal aliens because of the actions of a few.
Many people fear guns because of the actions of a few.

Foolish fear is foolish fear.

Just because there are similarities between the two conversations doesn't mean they are the same topic. You are just disregard particular nuances between the two discussions so you can try to conflate the two conversations. It isn't that simple and people REALLY need to stop trying to come up with one size fits all solutions.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm not picking sides here but I do not recall being taught anything in school regarding Christianity other than taking off the Holidays which I would say should include all other religions...

originally posted by: chrismarco
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm not picking sides here but I do not recall being taught anything in school regarding Christianity other than taking off the Holidays which I would say should include all other religions...

I was. I specifically remembered learning about Christianity, Islam, Judaism and even Buddhism in school. We also went over the Greek Pantheon and the Roman Pantheon. Those were the major topics I remember. There were of course smaller discussions about other religions too.

After all. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to properly teach history without talking about religion and its influence on the society you are discussing.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone

Oh I know WHAT you said. I'm just commenting on how you ACTUALLY interact with fear based on your comments in this thread. Clearly you don't practice what you preach.

You are a typical leftist… You read into the meaning of my words rather than the words themselves…

You cannot cite an example where I did not practice what I preach because my ethos specifically forbids it..

I am in moralist and know well how to live right and good with a clear understanding of black or white, good or evil, right or wrong..
Honesty is right and good and is, therefore, at the core of my behavioral matrix..
Practicing what you preach is an extension of honesty...

Progressivists see all actions as shades of gray because they relativize evil..
I have no such proclivities for condoning those who would ignore the morality born of every homo sapien...

-Chris

originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Okay? Left-wingers and Democrats in this country go insane when Christianity is taught at school. So what's your problem? You should be happy that she's upset.

Not to even mention a woman's right to choose.

a reply to: Christosterone

I can't? Your entire conversation with me is just a giant appeal to emotion fallacy using fear all based on the premise that fear is smart because it saved our lives when we lived in the wild. Like I said, it's all ridiculous.

None of your argument supports your assertion that Islam should be feared, but CERTAINLY does show how you are ruled by your fears.

So now you start talking about progressives, thus inserting yet ANOTHER strawman into your argument. Fun fact: This thread isn't about progressives. I don't care about your opinion pertaining to them.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: goou111

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You will stop connecting it with terror when Islamic terrorism is brought to an end.

Negative. We will stop connecting Islam with terror when people wake up and realize that it is only a small subset of Muslims that engage in terrorism. The same way that we don't look at the Irish as 100% terrorists because of the IRA. This requires education and understanding NOT fear and ignorance.

All terrorist are not Muslim, but all Muslims are terrorist. Wait did I get that right? Yeah I think it is.

All muslims aren't terrorist... Do you have any intelligent comments or is everything just biased strawmans?

This is the world we live in. Islam is becoming the bane of the earth.

originally posted by: goou111

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: goou111

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You will stop connecting it with terror when Islamic terrorism is brought to an end.

Negative. We will stop connecting Islam with terror when people wake up and realize that it is only a small subset of Muslims that engage in terrorism. The same way that we don't look at the Irish as 100% terrorists because of the IRA. This requires education and understanding NOT fear and ignorance.

All terrorist are not Muslim, but all Muslims are terrorist. Wait did I get that right? Yeah I think it is.

All muslims aren't terrorist... Do you have any intelligent comments or is everything just biased strawmans?

This is the world we live in. Islam is becoming the bane of the earth.

I'll take that as a "no" to the question I asked then. Which means I'm done talking to you.

To get back on topic, I think the woman in question may be a bit of a bigoted soul.

I could understand if they were preaching religion.

Even as a Muslim I don't believe it should be preached anywhere outside of the home, the mosque, or religious schooling.

Barring the odd occasion where someone may inquire into the belief system (of their choosing) it should be a private matter.


Sadly I don't see that the woman complained the year before when they taught Judaism, Buddhism etc hence the bigot label.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone

I can't? Your entire conversation with me is just a giant appeal to emotion fallacy using fear all based on the premise that fear is smart because it saved our lives when we lived in the wild. Like I said, it's all ridiculous.

None of your argument supports your assertion that Islam should be feared, but CERTAINLY does show how you are ruled by your fears.

So now you start talking about progressives, thus inserting yet ANOTHER strawman into your argument. Fun fact: This thread isn't about progressives. I don't care about your opinion pertaining to them.

The entire premise of this thread is your disdain for a person who would fight for her children's right to not be exposed to an ethos bereft of morality...

Ironically your ilk has been at the center of lawsuits which would see Christianity removed from our history while giddily welcoming any reference to Allah and the sociopathic pedophile with whom he entrusted his earthly realm...

The most ironic part is none of your ilk sees the utter hypocrisy of your position.
You have simply labeled pro-Islam as the intelligent position and occupy it regardless of its depravity and idiocy...

-Chris

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Yea. She is clearly one of the many idiotic Americans who let the media tell them their entire opinion about Islam and never actually try to break that bubble of ignorance. And ironically with this situation, this idiot is actually speaking out AGAINST her daughter having that bubble of ignorance being broken. I feel sorry for her having such a doofus for a mother.

originally posted by: Christosterone

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone

I can't? Your entire conversation with me is just a giant appeal to emotion fallacy using fear all based on the premise that fear is smart because it saved our lives when we lived in the wild. Like I said, it's all ridiculous.

None of your argument supports your assertion that Islam should be feared, but CERTAINLY does show how you are ruled by your fears.

So now you start talking about progressives, thus inserting yet ANOTHER strawman into your argument. Fun fact: This thread isn't about progressives. I don't care about your opinion pertaining to them.

The entire premise of this thread is your disdain for a person who would fight for her children's right to not be exposed to an ethos bereft of morality...

Ironically your ilk has been at the center of lawsuits which would see Christianity removed from our history while giddily welcoming any reference to Allah and the sociopathic pedophile with whom he entrusted his earthly realm...

The most ironic part is none of your ilk sees the utter hypocrisy of your position.
You have simply labeled pro-Islam as the intelligent position and occupy it regardless of its depravity and idiocy...

-Chris

No we haven't. You just don't understand the difference between teaching a class ABOUT a religion versus actually teaching a religion so you think those lawsuits are the same thing (or you don't WANT to understand the difference). Nuance. I suggest you look up and learn the meaning of that word. Because you need some.

originally posted by: goou111

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You will stop connecting it with terror when Islamic terrorism is brought to an end.

Negative. We will stop connecting Islam with terror when people wake up and realize that it is only a small subset of Muslims that engage in terrorism. The same way that we don't look at the Irish as 100% terrorists because of the IRA. This requires education and understanding NOT fear and ignorance.

All terrorist are not Muslim, but all Muslims are terrorist. Wait did I get that right? Yeah I think it is.

deplorable thing to say. wow.

a reply to: Christosterone


Good god dude,
Where did he say any of that?
That's quite a stretch.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: uncommitted

Also, the people waging war at the moment are agents and proxies of our own governments, and despite the fact that this is pretty much common knowledge, despite the fact that you cannot avoid this truth, people who hate the religion not the individuals who are operating the barbarity we are seeing, INSIST on ignoring this fundamental point.

Wisely put. Of course the Crusades were fought for power and prestige, but flew under the flag of either nationalism or religion to persuade the people to take part. It's always thus, remove the religion and another flag would take its place. That is one of the main reasons why education into the true roots of all religions - to understand the real roots of the culture from which they sprang - is never, ever a bad thing, and allows claims for war and bloodshed in their name to be questioned.

I am for historical facts but it would offend many.

Muhammad, a war mongering pedo. Im sure the class talked about that lol.

I really dont think they could teach it neutrally like they can other religions, mainly bc it lacked reformations and being a critic is dangerous.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Christosterone


Good god dude,

I don't believe in your magic beings in the sky...
Sorry

-Chris

originally posted by: jellyrev
I am for historical facts but it would offend many.

Muhammad, a war mongering pedo. Im sure the class talked about that lol.

I really dont think they could teach it neutrally like they can other religions, mainly bc it lacked reformations and being a critic is dangerous.

Rampant speculation does no good. If you got evidence, present it. Otherwise your speculation here is just going to confuse people. I'm DAMN sure you know nothing about what was taught in class other than what was presented though, so why are you letting your biases fill in the blanks?

originally posted by: Christosterone

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Christosterone


Good god dude,

I don't believe in your magic beings in the sky...
Sorry

-Chris

Actually I'm an atheist.
Just a figure of speech.

Either way, he said none of those things you inferred.

a reply to: goou111

Thankfully, you are not the world. That may be the world YOU live in, with your gutter minded views, your outmoded fallacies and supremacist dogma, but as it happens, the rest of us live in a world which is complicated, and as such have developed complex and nuanced understanding of the real issues at hand. While you scratch in the dirt, failing to make any headway in correctly understanding what is happening around you, you will find that the rest of us are perfectly aware that the enemy is not who we are told it is by our governments, our talking heads in the press, or by right wing mothers having a nervous breakdown over their childrens education.

Of course, we only know that because we have put the time in, because we have worked to educate ourselves about the geopolitical events which have led us to this point, and from whence those events issue. Your government has sponsored more terrorism the world over than the House of Saud ever has, but I do not expect you to believe that, because you are an indoctrinated peon, incapable or unwilling to expend intellectual resources on the things that trouble you about your world. You have been somehow convinced that your nations government is in the right, despite it being responsible for every major act of terror since well before 9/11, owing to its support and material aid to the organisations involved, and the training your government and mine (who ought to be our real enemies) have offered those groups, groups they started, groups they fostered, advised, and cultivated to provide them with bogeymen and proxies for your people to fear, to keep you dumb, meek and grateful, even as your government took your rights from you.

These are FACTS sir. They are why your nation is not bombing ISIS positions in Syria, but Syrian Army positions instead. They are why the Russians are currently heavily invested in the region, having to battle against US proxy agents in the region to bring some bloody sense to the on the ground situation. They are also why your argument against the Muslim faith are flawed, ironically ,and in nearly any other situation than this one, hilariously so.

You fail to accept the responsibility of US intelligence assets for creating the terror groups your nation claims to be fighting? Fine, then I am afraid that all you can do is sideline yourself, because you, my good man, are a quarterback with no arm.