Don't listen to the liberal MSM: Trump crushed Hillary at the debates.

a reply to: olaru12

And you want to vote for someone to continue those policies?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'm sure we will. You are being ridiculous....and with that, I'm outta here.
Got better things to do than try to convince those who will not hear or see the truth of things.

Haha, see, we're agreeing already!

a reply to: AlienView

Says the billionaire who really hasn't toiled for anything...

If it was ANYONE OTHER THAN Hillary? Would you vote for Trump?

Would depend on the candidate.

It really is a pick your poison position.

I even liked Trump over Bernie initially. Because Bernie's socialism simply wasn't going to work. But, at this stage of the game, if it was Bernie vs. Trump, I might have been swayed for Bernie as Trump continues to bury himself.

At this point though, I just feel folks really have no idea just how poisonous a Clinton Presidency is going to be. The worst part is, it won't even be slightly evident until about 2 years in. At first, it's going to be "Oh wow, we really dodged a bullet, things are fine...", then after 4 years "well, could be worse, so giving her more time", then 6 years "Oh my God, what have we done?"......

Not that our votes matter anymore. This was going to be the last election where there might have been SOME chance of turning that around, but the future is unfortunately pretty damn clear. We've sent the message loud and clear that we're perfectly OK with rigging an election. This has simply given the folks pulling the strings carte blanche on any future moves. No doubt, we've probably upped their time table by a decade.

At this point, the ONLY thing that will stop what is to come is Hillary's health. But with only a 40 some odd day window, it's pretty likely they'll be able to hide that long enough to get her elected. Then, we can all welcome President Kaine.

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Says the billionaire who really hasn't toiled for anything...

You have to pretty much be a workaholic to even THINK about running for President...let alone actually doing it. That's one point where you can't really criticize EITHER candidate.

originally posted by: Gazrok
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Says the billionaire who really hasn't toiled for anything...

You have to pretty much be a workaholic to even THINK about running for President...let alone actually doing it. That's one point where you can't really criticize EITHER candidate.

And we don't know if Hillary truly is or not, at least these days. For all we know, shes doped up in some safe house between public appearances.

It does not come as a surprise that the only "polls" that show Trump "winning" the debate are ones that allow the voter the ability to cast their vote 2-3-4- heck 1000 times if they wanted to. Such "polls" (especially ones that are placed on websites that cater to the particular candidate) have absolutely no weight. None what-so-ever.

The polls that do matter are the ones that are carried out in a scientific and unbiased manner.

These show trump not winning the debate.

Who should be trusted?

A sample of 5-10k people contacted randomly - without knowledge of their political affiliation..

Or....

An on-line voting script purposefully targeting the trump audience; that any 2 yr old could circumvent...

Heck a random sampling of some of their articles' headlines: "Obama killed JFK", "Hillary eats babies in hangry tirade", "Hillary has a double in every state. Saves on travel expenses"..... Those websites surely are on the up-and-up and definitely would carry out an unbiased poll.. *sarcasm* Such a hard decision.

Now..Back to reality.

The only way someone could be excused for claiming Trump won the debate would be if they are deaf and blind.

Everyone else (You know, those reality loving, highly functioning members of society whose houses aren't at risk of toppling over every time a frog farts on it) recognized how much Trump completely bombed.

He made absolutely NO definitive policy statements. Shared absolutely no rational ideas on how to solve the country's problems. Refused to stay on topic, or answer any of the moderator's questions - even if asked directly for clarification.

He sniffled like he just inhaled a bathtub full of coke. His hands shook wildly every time he took a sip of water/vodka/whateverthatwas.

In short, these behaviors do not represent the calm needed to run for president - let alone BE president for that matter.

He did not do well, and certainly didn't win.

He exhibited absolutely nothing that could be described, or even misconstrued as acting "presidential".

That's not just my opinion - but that of virtually every reputable (i.e. not a right-wing extremist's blog) media outlet globally. Even Trump supporters (those that aren't "that" far gone) recognize and freely admit that he didn't come anywhere close to winning the debate.

Those in "happy delusion world" (the ones that think he did win the debate) are beyond helping. Hopefully they will not grab their guns and go on a shooting spree come the day after the election results come in, when they lose by a landslide.

Here's hoping that the group of people who love talking about "shooting them there liberals" don't actually mean it.

It's quite sad when you think about it all.

And frightening.

VERY frightening.

a reply to: justme2

So, now Trump is a coke head? All I'm seeing is total desperation.

originally posted by: Gazrok


At this point though, I just feel folks really have no idea just how poisonous a Clinton Presidency is going to be. The worst part is, it won't even be slightly evident until about 2 years in. At first, it's going to be "Oh wow, we really dodged a bullet, things are fine...", then after 4 years "well, could be worse, so giving her more time", then 6 years "Oh my God, what have we done?"......

That's the normal reaction to just about every Presidential election, especially for those foretelling doom from the outset. It's hard to imagine Hillary's approval ratings being lower than W's even at the bitter end.

We have experience with the Clinton's and I think we know what we can expect from them. Trump, on the other hand, appears to be mentally unstable, and I can easily foresee him attempting to turn the presidency into a personal power grab at the expense of his enemies.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Bull$hit, he lost. If you were to ask him himself he would say he lost.

a reply to: Kale7

Lol no he wouldn't.
That would require humility, something he clearly does not have.

a reply to: Gazrok

I even liked Trump over Bernie initially. Because Bernie's socialism simply wasn't going to work. But, at this stage of the game, if it was Bernie vs. Trump, I might have been swayed for Bernie as Trump continues to bury himself.

I think you were on the right track....

Bernie's "socialism" would actually feel pretty much the same. Except easier. And he did make a difference, you realize, in how far "left" Clinton now is. She didn't want to go that far left.....he "forced it" on her if she wanted to win.

I wanted Bernie period. Dot com. But between these two.....I have to say she's the better choice.
Because she's not insane.

a reply to: Gazrok

You have to pretty much be a workaholic to even THINK about running for President..

...or a narcissistic egomaniac wannabe dictator......

...let alone actually doing it.

Which Trump has no intention of! He has no plan to do it himself, nor intention to do so. I thought everyone knew this, but apparently it's still a noteworthy occurrence when Trump asked his 'rival' John Kasich if Kasich would be his "Foreign and Domestic Policy Advisor"......




You guys!! He's not up to the task, nor is he even cognizant of what it entails.



HE THINKS he is going to farm out the actual work and thinks he can hire whomever with the snap of his fingers. He has no clue (well, maybe now he has a bit of a clue).....that he needs handlers, and he is out of his depth....

That's one point where you can't really criticize EITHER candidate.

Nope. And also no.

And now, an intermission.

At first it might appear to be entirely off-topic, but give it a watch all the same. And think......




It's only eighteen minutes. It's a woman who was riddled with lymphoma and on the brink, and went into a coma (which everyone else presumed was the final stretch). She has a story to tell.

We all need to learn what she learned.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I SAW the debate, and to me it looked like a grade school bully kid trying to debate a university educated adult.

originally posted by: Kale7
a reply to: Bloodydagger

Bull$hit, he lost. If you were to ask him himself he would say he lost.

No, Trump, pointing to the same on-line polls has claimed that he won, and handily.

Regards polls, some sources, questionable perhaps, claim their polls show Trump way ahead. I think they mean polls they've carried out, say by phone and random and large. They also claim that most of the mainstream media, cough power through scandal cough edit frequently from bill's speech regarding hillary's falls cough edit bombing from hillary's words prior to criticizing Trump for calling it a bombing cough, oh yeah all those examples of collusion, they claim they rig the polls by selecting more democrats than republicans in their samples.They also say that attempts at entering some of Hillary's so called 'rallies' are barred to public admittance and only admit a select few hundred preselected individuals, while Trump's rallies number in the thousands.

All I know is that most places on the net I've gone to, protrump speechs have thousands or tens of thousands of likes or stars or positive, while hillary's stuff tends to have at most hundreds and equally negative and positive.

We already saw that facebook is apparently censoring conservative news, google has taken a stance against controversial topics on youtube, and has been censoring and taking down content. Google has visited the white house hundreds of times, and some claim there's research showing biasing of search results towards pro hillary results, don't know if true.

The reality is most of the media in the pockets of a few, are pro hillary. The rich vote through the media by swaying millions of voters, their votes are worth millions of votes. Now we've the few voting for severe damage to american, either way we've got two bad options, the question is whether the masses can see past the veil set up by the conglomerates and make up their own mind.

But as sheep, they want to be led to the slaughter house. Muslim polls show vast support for death penalty for merely leaving the faith in some countries over 4 out of 5 seem to support that, what do you think they'd do if someone questioned or blasphemed against the faith. Support for having the law of the land being sharia is also significant, and some claim even sympathy and support for terrorist attacks is notable in some polls. The refugee crysis has affected europe with many women and children being fondled and raped, that's what hillary seems to want for america by bringing tens of thousands of refugees per year if not more.

We've already seen daughters, sisters, wives, etc being murdered by their own family for not covering up. Under threat of death for not covering up, that's the reality. And the faith allows them to lie to cover up their real views. So even a 4 in 5 support for the death penalty for those that leave the faith does not account for all that support such views as there's likely more that are just lying to protect the faith.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: Kale7
a reply to: Bloodydagger

Bull$hit, he lost. If you were to ask him himself he would say he lost.

No, Trump, pointing to the same on-line polls has claimed that he won, and handily.

Well, he pointed toward online polls all throughout the GOP process and look at what happened there.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Do you think he won the debate?

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: Bloodydagger

I SAW the debate, and to me it looked like a grade school bully kid trying to debate a university educated adult.

That is precisely what it was.