Don't listen to the liberal MSM: Trump crushed Hillary at the debates.

Trump lost the first
debate! He lost not the debate it
formulation of the question. CNN you cheated! And
brainer. Channel CNN, organized
debate, did the debate with moderator! Trump must not would agree! As a result, Trump
soaked two - Moderator professional and
Clinton.
"In fact, not one opposed Trump and
two enemies - the moderator was in command
Clinton
This moderator gave such questions that
were in total favor of Clinton,
discussed only outstanding achievements
Clinton in the state case. Even the TV
Hilary showed preferable. Trump
among other things 190 cm tall! Hilary 164 cm.
So TV showed them so that Hilary was
bigger on screen! Furthermore, Hilary was
screen large bright red
spot, and Trump is a moody in black
suit smaller. Therefore, if anything about them
did not know and did not hear what they are saying, then all
deaf choose Hillary. it
called visual effects!

How can anyone, even if you consider Lester Holt's questions were favoring Clinton, or Trump was given a bum microphone, can anyone truly subjectively say Trump one? I don't like neither candidate, but anyone can easily see Trump was not prepared, you can easily see Trump had trouble holding his composure, he added nothing but the same sound bites he uses on the campaign trail, he constantly wanted to interrupt, and pure and simple he gave some stupid comments!!!!

I think many should be outraged when Clinton pointed out he paid "0" in taxes, and his remark was "because I'm smart." For all the many hard working and struggling Americans who pay thousands of additional taxes every year, that alone should have been a slap in the face!!! For someone who says he wants to "Make America Great Again" he certainly has made his life great and wealthy by taking advantage of having his products produced on the backs of poor labor in China, made contributions to politicians in return for favors, used corporate loopholes to not pay a Penney in taxes, stiff hardworking American workers, and also declare numerous bankruptcies. There's a lot more to add to his personality cesspool including his crystal clear derogatory comments about women and his bigotry toward minorities! How can any women on ATS or anywhere else even think of supporting a male chauvinist???

Donald Trump represents the corporate elite everyone has been complaining about for years, but now for some unknown reason find this "take advantage" attitude toward hard working Americans attractive! Talk about zombies, I'm beginning to think that's the perfect way to describe his supporters. They lack any subjective thinking, his ignore blatant lies and rude comments, and most of all make excuses for plain stupidity and a lack of knowledge and basic facts on the issues.

a reply to: WeRpeons

You can (and should) say that all again!

Truth. The only thing I can figure out is that they think they'll get to be like him and do all those things, too -- and get away with it. They think that if he's prez, they can get away with criminal behavior and abject rudeness for the rest of their lives. To wit: the way this whole forum has become.

What astounds me is that people on ATS, who are (or were) trying to escape and/or deny ignorance, embrace him so!

Women vote?

Weve seen the refugee crysis in europe with rapes and fondling of women and children.

iirc Hillary wants to bring even more refugees than Obama over. What fate will befall some of their fellow american women, perhaps even themselves, if they choose such a future?

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
And for those of us not caught up in the bullsh*t of either loser candidate Hillary trampled him and spent half the time smiling at the grave he kept digging himself.


Get real.

^This.

Hillary didn't have to say a word. She could have just waited for Trump to stop speaking, and then she could have dropped the mike in dramatic fashion and walked off.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
And for those of us not caught up in the bullsh*t of either loser candidate
Caught up enough to click this thread here pertaining to both candidates
Hillary trampled him and spent half the time smiling at the grave he kept digging himself.
Trump didn't back down to anything when he confronted by Clinton and moderator

Get real.

For reals, Clinton had a few good retorts but produced nothing but fake smiles and laughs when she was getting "countered"
^This.

Hillary didn't have to say a word.
Clinton, when it got heated, was stumped, reason for big fake smiles, at lost for words.
She could have just waited for Trump to stop speaking
Yeah her and the moderator
, and then she could have dropped the mike in dramatic fashion and walked off.

Yeah in the same way she must have done so when help was requested out of Benghazi.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Trump did very badly at the debate, just from my own observation.

I don't pay any attention to media, mainstream or otherwise, and I feel both candidates are incredible red flags regarding how broken our political system is, but Clinton made Trump look like the self absorbed, attention addicted clown he is. Only two things make her look seem a good idea : Trump and the sad fact that the 3rd party candidate has no shot.

originally posted by: wickd_waze

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
And for those of us not caught up in the bullsh*t of either loser candidate
Caught up enough to click this thread here pertaining to both candidates
Hillary trampled him and spent half the time smiling at the grave he kept digging himself.
Trump didn't back down to anything when he confronted by Clinton and moderator

Get real.

For reals, Clinton had a few good retorts but produced nothing but fake smiles and laughs when she was getting "countered"
^This.

Hillary didn't have to say a word.
Clinton, when it got heated, was stumped, reason for big fake smiles, at lost for words.
She could have just waited for Trump to stop speaking
Yeah her and the moderator
, and then she could have dropped the mike in dramatic fashion and walked off.

Yeah in the same way she must have done so when help was requested out of Benghazi.

oooooh! Did that feel good?

originally posted by: wickd_waze

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
And for those of us not caught up in the bullsh*t of either loser candidate
Caught up enough to click this thread here pertaining to both candidates
Hillary trampled him and spent half the time smiling at the grave he kept digging himself.
Trump didn't back down to anything when he confronted by Clinton and moderator

Get real.

For reals, Clinton had a few good retorts but produced nothing but fake smiles and laughs when she was getting "countered"
^This.

Hillary didn't have to say a word.
Clinton, when it got heated, was stumped, reason for big fake smiles, at lost for words.
She could have just waited for Trump to stop speaking
Yeah her and the moderator
, and then she could have dropped the mike in dramatic fashion and walked off.

Yeah in the same way she must have done so when help was requested out of Benghazi.

For Benghazi, I think she probably had Eminem drop the mic for her.

Hillary (at the congressional hearing): "At this point, what does it even matter?!" Drops mic. Exits stage left.

Or how about W. He rolls out the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner, drops mic, jumps on helicopter.

I have a great idea. I'm going to start dropping the mic after every random thing I say.

The only thing I can figure out is that they think they'll get to be like him and do all those things, too -- and get away with it. They think that if he's prez, they can get away with criminal behavior and abject rudeness for the rest of their lives. To wit: the way this whole forum has become. What astounds me is that people on ATS, who are (or were) trying to escape and/or deny ignorance, embrace him so!

You seem to have zero understanding of a Trump voter.

Granted, I can't speak for all, but for myself, and likely many others:

It isn't that we support Trump, as much as we are rebelling against the establishment, against those who truly are pulling the puppet strings. It is evident time and time again, that Trump is NOT the establishment's choice, and they've done everything they could to end his chances. Granted, Trump often helps them with his own mouth.

We also despise the travesty that is Hillary Clinton. Here's a woman whose staffers got CAUGHT rigging the primary, so much so, that the chairperson of the DNC resigned (and then went to work for her campaign!). That right there, should be more than a red flag. It's a slap in the face of anyone who supported her opponent, Bernie. But nope, her supporters are willing to look past it because they hate Trump just that much. And why? Because he says mean things sometimes. Oh boo the frickin' hoo.... Go back to your safe space and hug your participation trophies.

Likewise, they look past how she's basically taking money for promised positions, even from foreign powers that are borderline enemies. How is she supposed to represent Americans if she's beholden to these donors? Even the FBI said she violated the law, but inexplicably aren't pursuing charges (after the Attorney General met with her hubby on the tarmac one day). I mean, Trump's a crook, but compared to Hillary, he's amateur hour when it comes to the level of crookedness. There's certainly no question Hillary is the establishment's choice.

But, that's OK. These numbskulls will vote her in (or if they don't, it won't be hard to rig in key states, as it will be close enough), and then they will see. We all will.

Soros' plans will come to fruition as his sponsored BLM terrorists will have folks begging for a Federalized police force.

More false flag shootings will have folks begging to impose even stricter controls on firearms, leading eventually to an outright ban and (with the new SC appointee) overturning of the 2nd Amendment (or at least enough nerfing to effect the same.)

Globalization will proceed on a grand scale, allowing floods of refugees to settle here, relaxed rules on voting, ensuring the Democratic party (within 8 years) will simply make this a one-party state. Those who didn't sleep through history can pretty much guess what happens then...once one party rules a nation.

A bit too tin foil hat for you? Well, I'd say revisit this post in 8 years, but honestly...you won't be able to, as this kind of free thinking simply isn't going to be an option anymore. Remember here and now. YOU voted for this, when it comes to pass.

*mic drop....*

originally posted by: Gazrok

The only thing I can figure out is that they think they'll get to be like him and do all those things, too -- and get away with it. They think that if he's prez, they can get away with criminal behavior and abject rudeness for the rest of their lives. To wit: the way this whole forum has become. What astounds me is that people on ATS, who are (or were) trying to escape and/or deny ignorance, embrace him so!

You seem to have zero understanding of a Trump voter.

Granted, I can't speak for all, but for myself, and likely many others:

It isn't that we support Trump, as much as we are rebelling against the establishment, against those who truly are pulling the puppet strings. It is evident time and time again, that Trump is NOT the establishment's choice, and they've done everything they could to end his chances. Granted, Trump often helps them with his own mouth.

We also despise the travesty that is Hillary Clinton. Here's a woman whose staffers got CAUGHT rigging the primary, so much so, that the chairperson of the DNC resigned (and then went to work for her campaign!). That right there, should be more than a red flag. It's a slap in the face of anyone who supported her opponent, Bernie. But nope, her supporters are willing to look past it because they hate Trump just that much. And why? Because he says mean things sometimes. Oh boo the frickin' hoo.... Go back to your safe space and hug your participation trophies.

Likewise, they look past how she's basically taking money for promised positions, even from foreign powers that are borderline enemies. How is she supposed to represent Americans if she's beholden to these donors? Even the FBI said she violated the law, but inexplicably aren't pursuing charges (after the Attorney General met with her hubby on the tarmac one day). I mean, Trump's a crook, but compared to Hillary, he's amateur hour when it comes to the level of crookedness. There's certainly no question Hillary is the establishment's choice.

But, that's OK. These numbskulls will vote her in (or if they don't, it won't be hard to rig in key states, as it will be close enough), and then they will see. We all will.

Soros' plans will come to fruition as his sponsored BLM terrorists will have folks begging for a Federalized police force.

More false flag shootings will have folks begging to impose even stricter controls on firearms, leading eventually to an outright ban and (with the new SC appointee) overturning of the 2nd Amendment (or at least enough nerfing to effect the same.)

Globalization will proceed on a grand scale, allowing floods of refugees to settle here, relaxed rules on voting, ensuring the Democratic party (within 8 years) will simply make this a one-party state. Those who didn't sleep through history can pretty much guess what happens then...once one party rules a nation.

A bit too tin foil hat for you? Well, I'd say revisit this post in 8 years, but honestly...you won't be able to, as this kind of free thinking simply isn't going to be an option anymore. Remember here and now. YOU voted for this, when it comes to pass.

I can actually sympathize with this perspective. This is why I'm not voting. I'm content to let the pieces fall where they may.

My choices are pretty sad:
1) Hillary Clinton: The establishment choice, blatantly shady and corrupt
2) Donald Trump: Anti-establishment, but over-the-top narcisstic and, quite frankly, stupid -- this is a dangerous combination for a President.

So I'm not voting. If either candidate showed the slightest hint of anything even remotely worthwhile, I'd vote.

LOL, I just noticed I've been typing "drop the mike" instead of "drop the mic."

Which mike?

Trump and the sad fact that the 3rd party candidate has no shot.

Which 3rd party candidate? They're all basically jokes.

Stein has even less experience than Trump in politics, a track record of losing, and is so far left she makes Hillary look conservative.

Johnson is a Libertarian who really isn't one. Not to mention, also a track record of losing this contest.

Hoefling...wait, who is Hoefling? Exactly.......

LaRiva....wait, who is LaRiva? Exactly......

originally posted by: Gazrok


Soros' plans will come to fruition as his sponsored BLM terrorists will have folks begging for a Federalized police force.

It is bizarre to me that you are willing to paint broad conspiracies to support claims that Hillary will institute a "Federalized Police Force" without any evidence, while at the same time ignore Trump's rhetoric calling for exactly that.

ahhh yes....the OP wants all of us to only listen to the conspiratorial side....thanks pal, but I'll do my own research, and draw my own conclusions based on critical-thinking, not blind obedience to farcical rants.

It is bizarre to me that you are willing to paint broad conspiracies to support claims that Hillary will institute a "Federalized Police Force" without any evidence, while at the same time ignore Trump's rhetoric calling for exactly that.

No evidence? Guess you never saw those Wikileaks emails.....
No matter though, as you see more of these riots by BLM, eventually, it will become clearer.

As for Trump's plan for the same, it's because it's rooted from an entirely different perspective and purpose. (and I don't agree with it).

It's one of those issues where we're screwed either way, but at least under Trump, there's a "chance" that it may not be so puppet master controlled, whereas under Hillary, the Fed Police will be nothing but an arm of the powers that be.

ahhh yes....the OP wants all of us to only listen to the conspiratorial side....thanks pal, but I'll do my own research, and draw my own conclusions based on critical-thinking, not blind obedience to farcical rants.

The liberal media says Hillary won. The far right media says Trump won.

On a purely debate skill level assessment, it was clear Hillary won.

However, that isn't really the measure here. The REAL measure is, which one of them swayed more undecided voters to their cause? Here, I think it was a draw....maybe a slight edge to Clinton. (and this is coming from a Trump voter).

Hillary won those who saw more of what they don't like about Trump....

Trump won those who realized he was set up for failure with a biased moderator and more aggressive questions, further reinforcing that he's the anti-establishment candidate.....

Hillary is a career politician. It's what she does. This is her bread and butter. Those turned off by career politicians weren't likely swayed into her camp. She didn't even do well...she just did better than Trump.

The next one should be more telling.

a reply to: Gazrok

It isn't that we support Trump, as much as we are rebelling against the establishment, against those who truly are pulling the puppet strings. It is evident time and time again, that Trump is NOT the establishment's choice, and they've done everything they could to end his chances. Granted, Trump often helps them with his own mouth.

I do get it, though. You're doing it just to piss on the establishment. Doy. That's obvious. But voting for him just on principle is still IDIOTIC.

He's a disaster, already globally infamous --- and brags about not paying his debts, and not paying taxes. I know you all want to not have to pay taxes and not have to follow rules.....I get it.

You want to be able to call Hillary the c word and get away with it.

Seriously, a dog ---- or even a GOLDFISH! --- would represent us (American citizens) better than this man, who has taken you all for a very long ride that is about to end abruptly.

ANd WHEN IT DOES END, you will NOT be able to carry on as he is doing. He might be your 'spokesman' now, as far as being a hater and a cheat and a social cripple with a "C-student" brain and lots of money.......

but he would not "act" as president. Don't you get that? He will simply fill his cabinet with establishment people, and order them to do all the work, like APPRENTICES.

I weep for this country that you all can not see that.
I truly do. Even right now -- huge lump in my throat. You all are sickening. Literally.

originally posted by: Gazrok



The next one should be more telling.

Yep, I think debate #2 will tell us a lot more than debate #1 did. I agree there.