Don't listen to the liberal MSM: Trump crushed Hillary at the debates.

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Dr UAE

originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: imjack

The issue is the moderator was biased in favor of Clinton. But go on and on and on with your rant.

even i as a none American noticed it
let's face it , as I said before and will say it again
when it was the time for a black president Obama won it and now it's the time for a woman to win it and mark words she will win it , you might not like what I predict after that but here goes the next will be a gay or a transgendere

Too much religious influence in this country to allow anyone from the LGTB community into the oval office. Sad, but religion runs this nation, and most of the world.

come on , do you really believe that it's about religion? surely you're smarter than that

a reply to: imjack

In the end, we'll just agree to disagree on certain points made in this thread. I think you and I have done enough arguing in this particular thread, LOL. It did get my post count up though

Either way, we can both agree Hillary can't be President.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Dr UAE

That's a weak excuse. Hillary will win because Trump is an inferior candidate. Just as Obama won because Romney & McCain were simply inferior candidates.

If Hillary's only winning because she's a woman, why didn't Carly Fiorina or Jill Stein get the same enthusiasm that Hillary is getting? Both of those women were running for President this same election cycle, and Stein is still running & will be on the ballot. And if Obama only won because he was black, why didn't Herman Cain or Ben Carson get the same push? After all, Pres Obama is only half "black" while Cain & Carson are more "black". Oh that's right, it's because the majority of voters feel that they are also inferior candidates.

do you really believe what you're saying?
so you mean it wasn't rigged ever since Bush junior? remember electronic voting ?
Remember Al Gore? he got a better job and gained more money

it's rigged , was and will always be

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: imjack

In the end, we'll just agree to disagree on certain points made in this thread.

Well you two can do that but everyone else thinks you took a beating like Trump got last night.

originally posted by: Dr UAE

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Dr UAE

originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: imjack

The issue is the moderator was biased in favor of Clinton. But go on and on and on with your rant.

even i as a none American noticed it
let's face it , as I said before and will say it again
when it was the time for a black president Obama won it and now it's the time for a woman to win it and mark words she will win it , you might not like what I predict after that but here goes the next will be a gay or a transgendere

Too much religious influence in this country to allow anyone from the LGTB community into the oval office. Sad, but religion runs this nation, and most of the world.

come on , do you really believe that it's about religion? surely you're smarter than that

When it comes to things like that? Absolutely. Religions of the world control what their believers do every day. We have wars all throughout history based on religion. Religion has crumbled empires because their beliefs were different. Look at the Christian vs Muslim shenanigans that have been happening for thousands of years. Look at the hate between Israel and Muslim countries. Look how the LGTB people are treated by evangelicals and Muslims alike. They're beat, talked down upon, and even killed in some cases by followers of both religions. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the United States and it's hate for LGBT people, but it's rampant and apparent, especially in the south. Even though it plays no impact on anyone else's life. Just because they disagree with homosexuality and think it's a sin or an abomination based off of their religious beliefs and upbringing. Look at how divided this country was on gay marriage. Does two homosexuals in New York affect the lives of people in Texas? Absolutely not, but they still had a hell of a lot of hate towards it.

a reply to: imthegoat

By that logic, then how many of our white male candidates have won because people refused to vote for a candidate who wasn't a white male? One of my bosses in 2008 hated McCain & Palin with a passion, but couldn't bring himself to vote for Obama because he's half black. Do people like that count in these arguments?

I get sick of people belittling the accomplishments of political and ethnic minorities because they need a good excuse for why a different candidate loses. There have been black & female presidential candidates before, like Jesse Jackson, Margaret Chase Smith, & Cynthia McKinney. But I'm guessing most people here don't even know they ran for President, much less support them simply because they were black and/or women.

originally posted by: imthegoat

If it makes you feel better -- votes don't count on a federal level. Otherwise the petitions (although not exactly the same) would hold more merit to the White House.

Also note that Marijuana is still a scheduled 1 drug on the federal level.

Not voting isn't a cop out for me. The last time I supported a candidate he was blatantly ran over by disingenuous politicians and forced out of the race. For many of us, that election was an eye opener. They change the rules at their will. The two major parties are in fear of any alternative ideologies. I refuse to vote Democrat or Republican because this country, millions of lives, have been screwed over for far too long. Maybe voting third party doesn't count for you. Maybe you have a different perspective, and I can respect that, but saying those voting third party are copping out because we refuse to take responsibility is nonsense.

Don't know how you think votes don't count at the federal level, we voted for the people that are there making those decisions!

Yes, Marijuana is still Sched 1 federally. VOTES are legalizing it at the state level.

Third party, actually should be 'Other Parties' need to start WAY before presidential elections. The reason we have a 2 party system is because that's how we vote. No conspiracy here.

Sometimes it's hard to admit that maybe the issues we are dealing with today is partially OUR fault. We're never going to get out of this 2 party gig until we populate the government with 'Other Parties'. We have that power but we are constantly swayed with social or political BS that distracts from the real issues.

We currently have such a mess in government, IMHO, because of too many years of people saying why vote, it doesn't mean anything.

Complacency has gotten us to where we are right now.

a reply to: Dr UAE

Like I said in another post which I just posted, I get sick of people belittling the accomplishments of ethnic & political minorities.

Go back & look at McCain's debates with Obama and tell me McCain was the better candidate. Look at any of Sarah Palin's gems from that same 2008 campaign and please tell me how they presented a better option than Obama & Biden. Obama & Biden were simply a stronger team and better option than McCain & Palin.

2012's Romney was a better candidate than McCain & it reflected in the final election tallies. Fortunately, Romney's campaign never recovered from his leaked transcripts of attacking 47% of Americans and that likely cost him the election. But of course, none of that matters because it must've been Obama's ethnicity that gave him the win, right?

originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

originally posted by: imthegoat

If it makes you feel better -- votes don't count on a federal level. Otherwise the petitions (although not exactly the same) would hold more merit to the White House.

Also note that Marijuana is still a scheduled 1 drug on the federal level.

Not voting isn't a cop out for me. The last time I supported a candidate he was blatantly ran over by disingenuous politicians and forced out of the race. For many of us, that election was an eye opener. They change the rules at their will. The two major parties are in fear of any alternative ideologies. I refuse to vote Democrat or Republican because this country, millions of lives, have been screwed over for far too long. Maybe voting third party doesn't count for you. Maybe you have a different perspective, and I can respect that, but saying those voting third party are copping out because we refuse to take responsibility is nonsense.

Don't know how you think votes don't count at the federal level, we voted for the people that are there making those decisions!

Yes, Marijuana is still Sched 1 federally. VOTES are legalizing it at the state level.

Third party, actually should be 'Other Parties' need to start WAY before presidential elections. The reason we have a 2 party system is because that's how we vote. No conspiracy here.

Sometimes it's hard to admit that maybe the issues we are dealing with today is partially OUR fault. We're never going to get out of this 2 party gig until we populate the government with 'Other Parties'. We have that power but we are constantly swayed with social or political BS that distracts from the real issues.

We currently have such a mess in government, IMHO, because of too many years of people saying why vote, it doesn't mean anything.

Complacency has gotten us to where we are right now.

You just supported voting for "other parties," at the same time saying people are dumb for doing so? Yes, more people need to relieve themselves from the grasp of the two major parties and open their eyes so we can get third party candidates elected. If people want to vote third party, then aren't they attempting to accomplish just that?

We can agree that a third party candidate will never be elected if people don't start voting for them, right? So why demonize us that DO vote for them when all we're trying to do is make a change?

This whole "a vote for a third party is a vote for thisperson" attitude that's pushed by Republicans, democrats, and their media counterparts, is exactly what's wrong.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: imthegoat

By that logic, then how many of our white male candidates have won because people refused to vote for a candidate who wasn't a white male? One of my bosses in 2008 hated McCain & Palin with a passion, but couldn't bring himself to vote for Obama because he's half black. Do people like that count in these arguments?

I get sick of people belittling the accomplishments of political and ethnic minorities because they need a good excuse for why a different candidate loses. There have been black & female presidential candidates before, like Jesse Jackson, Margaret Chase Smith, & Cynthia McKinney. But I'm guessing most people here don't even know they ran for President, much less support them simply because they were black and/or women.

I'm not belittling the accomplishments of anyone. I'm not being racist. I'm not being sexist. I'm not being anything but truthful. Other people get out shined, even by their own race or sex. That doesn't elevate any credence to people voting just because the candidate is a minority, or of the opposite sex.

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Clinton bent Trump over and rode him like an extra in Deliverance.

Careful, most Clinton supporters will tell you rape jokes are never allowed.

Oh my bad, they think rape jokes at Trumps expense are ok. Carry on.

I don't see rape being implied by that comment, but good job on insinuating.

To be fair, the reference to Deliverance does imply rape.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I think the plan to have republicans run someone more unfavorable than Hillary has not worked out as well as hoped.

Perhaps critical variables were not considered?

Yes, Hillary won the debate. But, she's still soooo gosh-darn unlikeable that many people don't want to admit she won or don't care because she's not any more likeable even after winning the debate.

(Also, some of the online polls in the OP graphic should rightfully be thrown out because a conservative audience was almost exclusively targeted for the poll. Others...are really interesting to me.)

My .02¢.

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Clinton bent Trump over and rode him like an extra in Deliverance.

Careful, most Clinton supporters will tell you rape jokes are never allowed.

Oh my bad, they think rape jokes at Trumps expense are ok. Carry on.

I don't see rape being implied by that comment, but good job on insinuating.

To be fair, the reference to Deliverance does imply rape.

Ha, that is a hilarious sentence!

Just to make it clear I too was just joking, I was not offended in any way.

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Clinton bent Trump over and rode him like an extra in Deliverance.

Careful, most Clinton supporters will tell you rape jokes are never allowed.

Oh my bad, they think rape jokes at Trumps expense are ok. Carry on.

I don't see rape being implied by that comment, but good job on insinuating.

To be fair, the reference to Deliverance does imply rape.

Don't tell that to Ned Beaty's character.

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish

originally posted by: imthegoat

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Clinton bent Trump over and rode him like an extra in Deliverance.

Careful, most Clinton supporters will tell you rape jokes are never allowed.

Oh my bad, they think rape jokes at Trumps expense are ok. Carry on.

I don't see rape being implied by that comment, but good job on insinuating.

To be fair, the reference to Deliverance does imply rape.

To be fair, I was just saying that assuming doesn't do anyone any good. But coming from the person who typed it -- touché.