It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Did he have a valid drivers license? I know 12 year olds that can drive.
He couldn't lift his arms with palms out at all? Not even to shoulder level? This debate isn't even worth having. It's called grasping at straws.
originally posted by: GD21D
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Yes, the cops are on trial in the court of public opinion, and everyone is a juror.
Maybe we can conduct all of our trials this way then. Sure fire way for consistency and truth right there.
The public is full of morons and half wits.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
No idea...again, you are the one claiming he may not have been able to reach up. I am simply pointing out he had to be able to.
That's usually the case with people who need a cane to walk. It's not hard to understand.
Usually a cane implies a leg/hip injury
Hell, my 99 year old grandmother used a cane because of a really bad back and hip, but if she was standing in one place she could and did lift her hands over her head
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Usually a cane implies a leg/hip injury
Which would imply a balance issue.
Hell, my 99 year old grandmother used a cane because of a really bad back and hip, but if she was standing in one place she could and did lift her hands over her head
Well, lets put your granny in the same situation, (I mean exactly the same), and see how she does!
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Look who is speculating now!
For god's sake! The man was in a serious automobile accident a year ago that left him with a brain injury. He walked with a cane, and because of his injury, he couldn't tolerate the sun. It was a daily ritual for him to wait for his son's bus. They drove their SUV from one side of the apartment complex to other side, where the school bus dropped of their son.
Ha! Yes...I am speculating about her because she has been caught in a MAJOR lie. She filed against him last year saying all of these things. I don't think it is a stretch for a woman to plan out the death of an abusive and violent husband and try to get something out of it. I can imagine she went through quite the ordeal with that one.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Either way, these things must be taken into account every time the police shoot and kill a non threatening disabled person.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Look who is speculating now!
For god's sake! The man was in a serious automobile accident a year ago that left him with a brain injury. He walked with a cane, and because of his injury, he couldn't tolerate the sun. It was a daily ritual for him to wait for his son's bus. They drove their SUV from one side of the apartment complex to other side, where the school bus dropped of their son.
Ha! Yes...I am speculating about her because she has been caught in a MAJOR lie. She filed against him last year saying all of these things. I don't think it is a stretch for a woman to plan out the death of an abusive and violent husband and try to get something out of it. I can imagine she went through quite the ordeal with that one.
Insurance fraud maybe or settling out of court for her "loss" right?
you continue to say disabled as if the police knew he was disabled somehow...
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Either way, these things must be taken into account every time the police shoot and kill a non threatening disabled person.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
I didn't see a gun. I don't believe he had a gun in possesion at the time of the shooting. But he sure wasn't pointing anything at anyone and wasn't threatening anyone. Police should have employed non lethal force first, tasers, etc.
you continue to say disabled as if the police knew he was disabled somehow...
They were informed of his disability by the wife.
If the cops had no way of knowing his violent past, they sure as hell had no way of knowing about his disabilities either.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Vasa Croe
The strangest part to me is that she claims she was bringing him a cell phone charger....who does that?
And why??? I'd bet my car phone charger has never even seen the inside of my house! Why would it? You can't use a car charger in the home so why even take it out of the vehicle? Why would it have been in the house at all?
I guess if he decided to get to the stop really early and hang out and his cell phone was about to die...
Hmmm... I'm a creature of habit too... I put my phone on the charger every night before bed so I don't have to worry about running out of juice.
If I could look into it I would check her and his phone records to see if there was a call between them just before the incident to see if he called, possibly to ask her to bring a charger out.
Or, even better, text messages... but somehow I don't think any phone charger would be mentioned. Have any witnesses/officers confirmed that she actually had the charger?
I would love to find out if there was a call made about someone the police were looking for just prior to this as well.
Perhaps even on another day... if he was in the habit of bringing a gun to pick up his kid, there may have been previous reports about brandishing that gun or something. The officers on scene may even have been aware of such reports.
If he was a creature of habit then she knew he had a gun, knew he would be rolling a joint and smoking hanging out in that exact spot.
As would others in the neighborhood. And we know this guy was violent based on the reports of his wife and his criminal history. It's not a stretch to believe he got violent with one or more folks in the neighborhood.
Speculating here, but someone working with BLM might consider such a person to be... um... expendable for the cause...