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Just as the majority of blacks and whites and everyone are good, so are the majority of police, if by nothing else than default that the majority of everyone else is good.
originally posted by: windword
Oh boy! Here it comes, like clockwork! The predictable police apologists creating a public perception that the cold blooded murder of Keith Scott was justified and a needed cleansing.
Nobody ever claimed that Mr. Scott was an angel, and it isn't Mr Scott's behavior that's on trial here. It's the police'.
I wonder how many police officers on that scene have had domestic violence issues in their own households, reported or not? I wonder if all the officers on that scene were drug tested, how many of them would not come up clean?
Again, this isn't about Mr Scott, it's about the police, their actions and their inaction.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
But hey...cops records are in their past too, so why bring them up?
Because the cops brought it up as a justification for his murder. Keith Scott was not the same man that he was a year ago. He had been in a serious accident that left needing a cane to walk. I speculate again, but I doubt he was able to raise his hands over his head and walk backwards. I don't know what the brain injury did to his mind, but he appeared docile, and his wife spoke to him like he was a delicate child, even under the tense of circumstances, she never seemed angry with him. He appeared docile and confused.
And, just in case you bring it up, it was the police that she urged again and again "Don't you shoot him!" "Don't shoot him!' "Don't you do it!" "Don't do it" "He better not be dead, I'll tell you that!"
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Just as the majority of blacks and whites and everyone are good, so are the majority of police, if by nothing else than default that the majority of everyone else is good.
I agree. But by the same token that the dead person and all arrestees are drug tested, with any positive results held against them in a court of law, so should LEOs be tested when they take a life. Because like it or not, that is a crime. And if the results are positive, those results can and should be used against them, if for no other reason than because they do cause mental and emotional impairment. Likewise, a violent history against those the officer supposedly loves the most would also be indicative of the officer's temperament and behavior on the job.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Ahhh... thank you -- and no problem. Happens to all of us!
I'm still suspicious about the set up though. Especially after hearing that the wife had filed for a restraining order previously. Battered women do strange things. I can see an abused woman feeling that such an action would be justified and perhaps her only way out so to speak.
It would be very interesting if we hear later that there was a call made. Neighbors have said that he was a creature of habit. Someone like that would be easily set up. Especially with mental/emotional/drug issues. I find it rather strange that he would roll up a joint in the vehicle -- not before and just take it with him. Cleaning and rolling while sitting in a vehicle is rather inconvenient to say the least -- not to mention stupid!
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
How interesting would this case get if it ended up that SHE was put on trial for orchestrating a murder of her husband in this manner. I wonder what the community would do then.
I, for one, will be looking into how the initial call was made and from whom. I have read the stories that they were looking for someone else that had a warrant but haven't really heard much about it and that seems to have disappeared from all of the stories on this.
So there was apparently a warrant being issued there, but nothing more has been said about this warrant or whom they were serving it on. Could she have called in a false report that someone who had a warrant was living in that complex, knowing that they were about to pull up there to serve or were waiting to serve a warrant? Is it possible she concocted the entire thing?
Either way, her court case against him is VERY damning of the case she is trying to make that he was harmless....I mean it kills that argument dead in the water.
originally posted by: GD21D
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
How interesting would this case get if it ended up that SHE was put on trial for orchestrating a murder of her husband in this manner. I wonder what the community would do then.
I, for one, will be looking into how the initial call was made and from whom. I have read the stories that they were looking for someone else that had a warrant but haven't really heard much about it and that seems to have disappeared from all of the stories on this.
So there was apparently a warrant being issued there, but nothing more has been said about this warrant or whom they were serving it on. Could she have called in a false report that someone who had a warrant was living in that complex, knowing that they were about to pull up there to serve or were waiting to serve a warrant? Is it possible she concocted the entire thing?
You talk of politicizing this event, but yet you throw out a theory that's complete conjecture with absolutely no proof. As if this lady is some machiavellian mastermind orchestrating some sinister plot. Is what you're doing any better? Throwing out complete nonsense into the public zeitgeist.
The authorities haven't released information on the arrest warrant they were attempting to conduct? Say it aint so. Ever consider that the operation in question may still be an active investigation? Yeah, what you're saying makes a ton of sense. Let's publicly comment on an active investigation so everyone knows.
Either way, her court case against him is VERY damning of the case she is trying to make that he was harmless....I mean it kills that argument dead in the water.
I agree that the protective order is damning to her current statements. I also don't have much sympathy for criminals who blatantly use drugs while possessing firearms in a public space. Let alone brandishing said firearm right out in the open. You have one of two choices when being confronted by authorities while in possession of a firearm. One, you can fight. Two, you automatically drop the weapon and put your hands up to show you are not a current threat. Anything else may be interpreted as a hostile act.
I can't see much in the dash cam footage so there's no reason to speculate. However, it's clear the deceased did not exit the vehicle with his hands in the air. If authorities push onto your position equipped with flak jackets and weapons drawn it's probably a good idea to follow their orders to a tee. They obviously weren't there to hang out and catch up on old times. Therefor, a large part of the responsibility for Mr Scott's death must fall on Mr Scott himself. As unfortunate as it is.
Point being, speculation does nobody any good, and that's the biggest problem. I see it on all sides. Too many people stirring the pot with very little evidence to back their claims up. All in an attempt to feel justified in their beliefs.
I don't need to feel justified in my beliefs, nor do I need to worry about consistency. In the same manner as Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, Keith Scott did not conduct himself in a manner that would ensure his safety upon exiting the vehicle while being confronted by armed authorities. This is the aspect that kills the argument dead in the water, not what some lady said some time before and right after the event.
EDIT TO ADD: Correction on the previous narrative about a perception of a hostile act. The correct terminology is hostile intent.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Yes, the cops are on trial in the court of public opinion, and everyone is a juror.
The strangest part to me is that she claims she was bringing him a cell phone charger....who does that?
I guess if he decided to get to the stop really early and hang out and his cell phone was about to die...
If I could look into it I would check her and his phone records to see if there was a call between them just before the incident to see if he called, possibly to ask her to bring a charger out.
I would love to find out if there was a call made about someone the police were looking for just prior to this as well.
If he was a creature of habit then she knew he had a gun, knew he would be rolling a joint and smoking hanging out in that exact spot.
I can't see much in the dash cam footage so there's no reason to speculate. However, it's clear the deceased did not exit the vehicle with his hands in the air.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe
On this, we have a difference of opinion, and your opinion of her tone and affect is not "better" or more educated than mine, when it comes to reading voice inflection and social interactions.
Shame on you for deflecting and trying to make the victim's wife complicit in her husbands cold blooded murder!
If the police weren't so scared of being exposed for their wrong doing in this matter, they wouldn't have to manufacture bogus justification and deflection!
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: GD21D
I can't see much in the dash cam footage so there's no reason to speculate. However, it's clear the deceased did not exit the vehicle with his hands in the air.
The man walked with cane, due to the injuries he suffered in an auto accident a year ago. He also suffered from a Traumatic Brain Injury. Is it reasonable to assume to know that the man was physically capable of exiting the vehicle with his hands up?
Keith Scott was not the same man that he was a year ago, before his accident.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: GD21D
The man walked with cane, due to the injuries he suffered in an auto accident a year ago. He also suffered from a Traumatic Brain Injury. Is it reasonable to assume to know that the man was physically capable of exiting the vehicle with his hands up?
originally posted by: xuenchen
Some more interesting info ....
Gun Recovered from Keith Lamont Scott Was Reported Stolen
According to our news partners at the Charlotte Observer, in 2005, he was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after he shot and injured a man in San Antonio, Texas. He fired more than 10 rounds from a 9-millimeter pistol, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice told the Observer.