You have been lied to : Christians , Muslims , Jews - all worship the same God

originally posted by: fatkid

Christians worship God but believe Christ is the way to heaven

Jews worship God and do not believe Jesus was the messiah but a prophet

Muslims worship God and do not believe Jesus was the messiah but a prophet

I was under the impression that you had read the Qur'an, but now I see you haven't. Jesus is clearly referred to as "al Massih" several times therein, which is Arabic for "Messiah". Muslims DO believe Jesus was the Messiah, on paper at least. They will argue until purple in the face with you if you dispute that.

The problem is in the way Islam co-opted and tried to subvert Christianity, and take over the Christians' gods. They took over words from the Christians, without having a clear notion of the concepts behind those words. The gave their Isa the title of al massih, same as the title of Jesus to the Christians is "messiah", but neglected the concepts behind the term, without a clear understanding of what it means and entails.

In like manner, they took the Christian and Jewish God and tried to subvert that God by identifying it with the head of their polytheistic desert pantheon, Allah. Allah was one of 360 idols in the Qa'aba, the chief god of the polytheistic Arabs, who was "promoted" to supreme and only deity by co-opting the Christian and Jewish God and re-identifying it, an attempt to reform and remake that God into their own image.

Allah is NOT the same as Yahweh - it's just an attempt to co-opt that particular deity, to take It away from the others and claim It as their own.

a reply to: nenothtu

I'm sorry, you are right - I should of said "God in the flesh" instead of messiah, they do believe that Jesus will return to earth and conquer the satan, as already discussed in this thread.

Thank you for calling me out on that.

Yahweh was also one of many tribal gods, Allah being one of many tribal gods doesn't really mean anything other than that the understanding of what God was and is has changed with the passing of time. (This has all already been pointed out in this thread, but thank you for keeping me honest)

Read Moses and monotheism.

All religions are either a sun religion, or moon/mountain religion.

You don't know this, because devide/conquer.

Funny, white jews are Ashkenazi, which means Thracian, like the Brahmins in India. Probably because Judaism and Hinduism are the same

a reply to: grahamschiff

On that note, I wouldn't say that Judaism and Hinduism are the same. Not in their current form atleast, which is what this thread is about.

Hinduism can be seen as a monotheistic religion, with all of the gods being a different aspect of Brahman.

But it is difficult to determine how a past culture implemented the ideological teachings of a holy book Into the practice of the religion.

You can look at the differences between Christianity in 325 ad 700 ad 1500 ad and 2016, if you want to get a feeling or how the same book can be interpreted differently at different times as cultures change.

a reply to: JChrisD

Prove? No no, you don't 'prove' anything unfortunately...
Would've been cool though, magic, miracles and all that, really would've been cool, but that's not the way things work in the real world.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: fatkid

Worshiping a belief, and willing to end a human life for such a belief....

Good luck to you religious people, your god sucks.

Religion did not invent human nature. If religion did not exist at all in the world there would be just as many wars, murders, and senseless acts of violence. We all suck not just "god" as you have stated.

a reply to: dfnj2015

People like to use religion or God as an excuse for their own actions.

We live in a world of no accountability

a reply to: dfnj2015

You're right, religion did not invent human nature. It did, however, influence it.

a reply to: Vector99 religion and God are not the same thing. Religion is an interpretation of something else and how it affects the thinking individual. Religion is a practice that might of been implemented wrong or could be a complete misunderstanding of what was intended, or it could be people thinking that something is there when nothing is.

a reply to: fatkid

religion is typically centered around a god, so yes religion and god are the same.

a reply to: Vector99

They don't have the same definition, so no they are not the same, they aren't even synonyms.

Religion is the practice of belief or worship in something.

God is the thing being worshipped

But religions don't even need to be centered around a God, they just need to have a controlling power.

They in no way are the same, it's like like saying a rabbi and a monk are the same thing because they are both a part of a religion that is centered around God.

a reply to: fatkid

Good sentiments. As I understand it the Bible says Isaac was the abandoned sacrifice but also says ''first born" which would be Ishmael, so they have a legitimate reason to think it was really Ishmael.

Christianity might not like it, but Muslims and Jews and Christians do have the same God, different books.

And I therefore see them as three sects with the same God, with the exception of the deification of Jesus, which is not even Biblically correct without fancy interpretations or the Logos theology of the Greeks.

There were times when the 3 got along but Islam pissed off the Sabbateans and now these people are causing wars, orchestrated the Holocaust because of rejection from mainstream Judaism and took out the Czar of Russia for something that happened in Lincoln's day.

Frankists, Jesuits and Zionists, they start all the trouble. Religion is supposed to be about peace and love.

a reply to: grahamschiff

Ashkenazi is from the Biblical Ashkenaz, a little known Japhethite.

They originated in Khazaria, near the Caucasus, and converted to Judaism to defy the countries to the east and west who where pressuring them to convert to Christianity or Islam.

Then they spread out through Europe and ever since the Holocaust they are like 80% of Jewry when before it was like 20% and the Sephardim were dominant.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: fatkid

religion is typically centered around a god, so yes religion and god are the same.

What if "GOD" has nothing to do with the religions you see in this world? What if "IT" or "HE" is so beyond our comprehension that it's unfathomable?
The "god" of the Bible is not the kind of god I'd want to serve.
Why do we even need to WORSHIP "said god"? I mean, a true being of LOVE would not want to be worshipped...but loved in return. Not on threats of death or eternal punishment, just loved.
For instance...if you have children, do you threaten them with eternal torture for not loving you in return? Don't think so.
The whole "eternal torment" and "worship" thing just smacks of ego.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: fatkid

religion is typically centered around a god, so yes religion and god are the same.

What if "GOD" has nothing to do with the religions you see in this world? What if "IT" or "HE" is so beyond our comprehension that it's unfathomable?
The "god" of the Bible is not the kind of god I'd want to serve.
Why do we even need to WORSHIP "said god"? I mean, a true being of LOVE would not want to be worshipped...but loved in return. Not on threats of death or eternal punishment, just loved.
For instance...if you have children, do you threaten them with eternal torture for not loving you in return? Don't think so.
The whole "eternal torment" and "worship" thing just smacks of ego.

one must prove all religions in order to become god.

a reply to: Godthief

That's not the definition of God, in any religion. If there is a God, God probably couldn't care less about someone "proving" God was real.

Just like I can't prove you aren't real, you might just be an automated response someone set up with a computer algorithm, can you "prove" you are real to me over this structure we are currently using to communicate? No you can not. I have to assume that you are real even though there is zero "proof".

God wouldn't care about leaving "proof" or anything else, so the arguement you provide is flawed.

But this conversation isn't about if God is real or not, it is about the religious books for Christians Jews and Muslims. There are a lot of "smart" people on this site that can't seem to grasp the concept that - I'm not discussing the validity of the books, only their subject matter.

originally posted by: grahamschiff
Read Moses and monotheism.

All religions are either a sun religion, or moon/mountain religion.

You don't know this, because devide/conquer.

Funny, white jews are Ashkenazi, which means Thracian, like the Brahmins in India. Probably because Judaism and Hinduism are the same

the moon is a mountain. Divide/conquer left an unknown that if manifest as one would, of course be" undevided". Leviathan specifically.

originally posted by: fatkid
a reply to: Godthief

That's not the definition of God, in any religion. If there is a God, God probably couldn't care less about someone "proving" God was real.

Just like I can't prove you aren't real, you might just be an automated response someone set up with a computer algorithm, can you "prove" you are real to me over this structure we are currently using to communicate? No you can not. I have to assume that you are real even though there is zero "proof".

God wouldn't care about leaving "proof" or anything else, so the arguement you provide is flawed.

But this conversation isn't about if God is real or not, it is about the religious books for Christians Jews and Muslims. There are a lot of "smart" people on this site that can't seem to grasp the concept that - I'm not discussing the validity of the books, only their subject matter.

yeah you're right.

Hi all. First post here.

Yes. Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the same God, but argue over details.

Between Jews and Muslims, its like 2 employees arguing over who their boss likes more.

Between Jews and Christians, its like 2 employees arguing over whether their boss is one person or three, and also whether the boss has a son who also manages the business.

Between Muslims and Christians, its like 2 employees arguing over the name and personality of the boss, with each one insisting their boss is the true boss, and the other being an impostor.

a reply to: firefromabove


Perosnaly i think Lord God and the muslim God are one and the same. Lord God and the muslim God both demand land, Death and destruction upon the People who are not his chosen.



After Genesis Chapter 1. Thee God is hardy mentioned because Lord God takes over With his religious rulings. This is probably why the Jewish priests didnt beleive in Jesus.