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originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
Why Are White Americans So Racist?
Yea, you're in this thread most likely infuriated at the title because you were subject to generalization/"stereotype".
Hear me out for a second.
I've noticed the trend of threads here, never commending a black man, but always condemning. The only time the front page of ATS has something about a black man or a man of color is in STRONG relation to something negative. And the comments within that thread? Pretty saddening, to be honest, absolutely ignorant and toxic.
The black man has been brought to this land from Africa; they were enslaved and highly mistreated, then once people grew a bit more civilized, they were given a few rights but still mistreated. They were subject to death at any time for just being black. Meaning, if your soul found itself within the casing of a dark skinned person, you could be killed.
But what's the real reason a black man is how he is? Where did he learn all this? You remove a black man from Africa, split him from his family, force him to work, abuse him, kill them because you felt like it, raped their wives, caged them. You made them animals for your own amusement, then you set them free, however, you set them free during a time when they were looked down on. How are they to survive? You released your "Monkeys" with absolutely no money, no education, nothing. Who would hire them? Who would want them in their schools? What do you expect them to do? Rise?
You people here reference logic a lot, so let me ask you. If you have no money, your entire race is made poor, you're seen as dirty, no one will hire you, you can't get an education.. What do you do? Do you lay back and die? Or do you survive
Yea slavery is done, long gone, at least the physical barbaric type which was localized to just black people. But that doesn't mean the effects are gone. If you can understand Nuclear fallout you should be able to understand why the black race is where it is. How do you expect something to rebuild itself with absolutely no allocated resources? What is to be expected when a line of ancestors can't afford schooling they are just scraping the bucket, any bucket? What do you do when you have only 1 option?
However, it's easy for you, being lucky enough to be made rich by free labor for years upon years. Then people out there jump up saying "Hey the jews pulled themselves out, it's time for the black people to do it too" Ayee, they got reparations, they got help to get back on their feet.
Then there are those who speak of black on black crime, which stems majorly from drugs and money. You see crime anywhere you see very limited resources. People tend to defend the little they have and it so happens the black race is at the bottom of the money chain(Wink Wink, alldatslavery). But as you can see, as soon as a black man gets money, clean money, he tends to try and move away from the violence and uplift his fellow brothers, not all of them but some do try. The defensive trait, well we're sorry but if you've been enslaved you don't allow people to just tower over you.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
Oh I agree with you on that, police corruption is a major issue, our entire legal is system is plagued with self serving corruption, so much so it affects every person, it serves to protects the elite and serves to help subjugate all us poor.
I very much want to deal with police corruption. You do too? That's great let's go do that! Oh wait you think you can do that by framing it as a black rights problem? Now you're being silly, this is a human rights issue for which your complaints are a minor symptom of a far greater issue. Take the blinders off, see it as the HUMAN rights issue it actually is and lets actually attack the problem at it's roots.
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
Oh I agree with you on that, police corruption is a major issue, our entire legal is system is plagued with self serving corruption, so much so it affects every person, it serves to protects the elite and serves to help subjugate all us poor.
I very much want to deal with police corruption. You do too? That's great let's go do that! Oh wait you think you can do that by framing it as a black rights problem? Now you're being silly, this is a human rights issue for which your complaints are a minor symptom of a far greater issue. Take the blinders off, see it as the HUMAN rights issue it actually is and lets actually attack the problem at it's roots.
well instead of scream all lives matter, just to have some volume behind yourselves, get proactive. If all lives matter, then help the blacks, help them get away from their negative stereotypes help them change the frame, don't just say All lives matter as a counter to black lives matter. Why lay back and just shout at us? Help, or just lay back. What's so hard in assisting your black counterparts who are currently at their limits crying for assistance. Show them and acknowledge your phrase all lives matter. Instead of laying back shouting all lives matter and digging up the past of the unarmed man who just got shot down because police told him not to move and he moved.
I don't know anymore, I've understood your point many times, but you seem to not understand mine.
On to more current things..
So the US police are killing black people and people everywhere shouting race war and shouting it's the fault of BLM. I do understand segregation causes problems but do understand they are just trying to be heard. It's hard to control the uneducated, you tell them something and they take it in their own way, meaning they will respond who they believe they should, some of the times, innocent people getting hurt.
However, you people here seem to have a HUGEEEEE problem with them and black people demanding justice. You all tend to pick and fuss at anything a black man cries. Even in the most transparent cases you tend to side with the police officer(Min Req: 21yo, HS Diploma/GED, Citizenship, driver's license, fitness)+6 months of training. That's all it takes for you to determine the value of a man's life.
When we speak of white privilege it seems to piss off many persons, well a something I had heard which was pretty interesting "If you'd like to be treated like a black person raise your hand". Does say a lot about those who wouldn't raise their hands. But let's take Lavoy finicum, "seized and occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in the State of Oregon", yet there was a lot of huff puff as well as agents under investigation. There's no black man out there seizing federal grounds getting shot, they just get shot, murdered. Don't tell me listen to that 21yearold with the GED or get murdered.
Just so you know, the more you deny the very obvious the worse it looks on you. As a simple point there are people here who in the same line of text, blame black people for 'racewars' because of what the 'media' shows them. Then on other threads openly say something like "Ohh yea, these media stations are white owned, yeaa rothschild controls all the media, bad guys they are haha.."
And PS. If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
Oh I agree with you on that, police corruption is a major issue, our entire legal is system is plagued with self serving corruption, so much so it affects every person, it serves to protects the elite and serves to help subjugate all us poor.
I very much want to deal with police corruption. You do too? That's great let's go do that! Oh wait you think you can do that by framing it as a black rights problem? Now you're being silly, this is a human rights issue for which your complaints are a minor symptom of a far greater issue. Take the blinders off, see it as the HUMAN rights issue it actually is and lets actually attack the problem at it's roots.
well instead of scream all lives matter, just to have some volume behind yourselves, get proactive. If all lives matter, then help the blacks, help them get away from their negative stereotypes help them change the frame, don't just say All lives matter as a counter to black lives matter. Why lay back and just shout at us? Help, or just lay back. What's so hard in assisting your black counterparts who are currently at their limits crying for assistance. Show them and acknowledge your phrase all lives matter. Instead of laying back shouting all lives matter and digging up the past of the unarmed man who just got shot down because police told him not to move and he moved.
I don't know anymore, I've understood your point many times, but you seem to not understand mine.
your tone suggests that black people are MORE deserving of sympathy than other ethnicities, and that in itself is racist.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Problem is everyone is doing that to everyone. It's not so simple as you're making out to be.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
So the US police are killing black people
It's hard to talk with people like you because you believe in myths. Facts are not found in your claims. Black men are RARELY killed by cops. White people are killed more by cops and you actually have a batter chance of being shot by a cop if you're white. Also, black men )6% of the population) commit more than half of the violent crime in this country. These are facts you ignore in place of racial paranoia and scapegoating of whites. What's that make you?
If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..
Right back at you.
Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot? I like talking to people like you though.
You know why the percentage is higher? its the committing the majority of crimes. Nothing to do with cops targeting Blacks more often.
Tyranny is tyranny. It only changes forms.
Also. AFRICANS are responsible for slavery more so than anyone else next to the arabs. They sold their own people into slavery.
Slavery was rarely racial before the Portuguese,Dutch and Spanish. You were a slave whether you were white,black,arab,etc.
And "race" should be redefined these days. according to science we are all part of one race and thats the HUMAN ONE. we have differing etnicities though.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
The problem is that to fight a problem you need to understand it. I'm not one who shouts "all lives matter" I'm the one that shouts police corruption is a bigger issue than that, and you cannot fight a disease by attacking a single symptom of said disease. My black counterparts are being mislead and used, I'm trying to get them to see they are being mislead by the people trying to harm them so they can join me in solving the real problem. The issue is, you refuse to not be lead by people like Soros and are mad at me because I refuse to enable you to do so.
I'm here discussing with you on the matter I'm trying to help you see. I've tried to open your eyes to how you and many in the black community, how there is a systematic attempt to destroy your community by the people trying to push the BLM narrative on you, how the people funding your protests, paying people to riot and pushing a race war are working to undermine your attempts at getting help.
Your complaint is that I won't simply accept the BLM movement and try to work with it. I won't because the BLM movement is a tool of the people trying to destroy you.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
In other words: we will never move beyond this if we keep telling people that how they feel is wrong. The only answer is to figure out how to make those feelings change.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
In other words: we will never move beyond this if we keep telling people that how they feel is wrong. The only answer is to figure out how to make those feelings change.
That knife cuts both ways.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Problem is everyone is doing that to everyone. It's not so simple as you're making out to be.
BINGO!
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I would like you to consider this viewpoint: its not that "black" people are more deserving of sympathy. Its more than the segment of society that black people tend to find themselves in needs to be treated with some understanding.
Sympathy does no one any good. Understanding, however, allows us to see each others viewpoints...
...In other words: we will never move beyond this if we keep telling people that how they feel is wrong. The only answer is to figure out how to make those feelings change.
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
Yea, you're in this thread most likely infuriated at the title because you were subject to generalization/"stereotype".
Hear me out for a second.
I've noticed the trend of threads here, never commending a black man, but always condemning. The only time the front page of ATS has something about a black man or a man of color is in STRONG relation to something negative. And the comments within that thread? Pretty saddening, to be honest, absolutely ignorant and toxic.
The black man has been brought to this land from Africa; they were enslaved and highly mistreated, then once people grew a bit more civilized, they were given a few rights but still mistreated. They were subject to death at any time for just being black. Meaning, if your soul found itself within the casing of a dark skinned person, you could be killed.
But what's the real reason a black man is how he is? Where did he learn all this? You remove a black man from Africa, split him from his family, force him to work, abuse him, kill them because you felt like it, raped their wives, caged them. You made them animals for your own amusement, then you set them free, however, you set them free during a time when they were looked down on. How are they to survive? You released your "Monkeys" with absolutely no money, no education, nothing. Who would hire them? Who would want them in their schools? What do you expect them to do? Rise?
You people here reference logic a lot, so let me ask you. If you have no money, your entire race is made poor, you're seen as dirty, no one will hire you, you can't get an education.. What do you do? Do you lay back and die? Or do you survive
Yea slavery is done, long gone, at least the physical barbaric type which was localized to just black people. But that doesn't mean the effects are gone. If you can understand Nuclear fallout you should be able to understand why the black race is where it is. How do you expect something to rebuild itself with absolutely no allocated resources? What is to be expected when a line of ancestors can't afford schooling they are just scraping the bucket, any bucket? What do you do when you have only 1 option?
However, it's easy for you, being lucky enough to be made rich by free labor for years upon years. Then people out there jump up saying "Hey the jews pulled themselves out, it's time for the black people to do it too" Ayee, they got reparations, they got help to get back on their feet.
Then there are those who speak of black on black crime, which stems majorly from drugs and money. You see crime anywhere you see very limited resources. People tend to defend the little they have and it so happens the black race is at the bottom of the money chain(Wink Wink, alldatslavery). But as you can see, as soon as a black man gets money, clean money, he tends to try and move away from the violence and uplift his fellow brothers, not all of them but some do try. The defensive trait, well we're sorry but if you've been enslaved you don't allow people to just tower over you.
On to more current things..
So the US police are killing black people and people everywhere shouting race war and shouting it's the fault of BLM. I do understand segregation causes problems but do understand they are just trying to be heard. It's hard to control the uneducated, you tell them something and they take it in their own way, meaning they will respond who they believe they should, some of the times, innocent people getting hurt.
However, you people here seem to have a HUGEEEEE problem with them and black people demanding justice. You all tend to pick and fuss at anything a black man cries. Even in the most transparent cases you tend to side with the police officer(Min Req: 21yo, HS Diploma/GED, Citizenship, driver's license, fitness)+6 months of training. That's all it takes for you to determine the value of a man's life.
When we speak of white privilege it seems to piss off many persons, well a something I had heard which was pretty interesting "If you'd like to be treated like a black person raise your hand". Does say a lot about those who wouldn't raise their hands. But let's take Lavoy finicum, "seized and occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in the State of Oregon", yet there was a lot of huff puff as well as agents under investigation. There's no black man out there seizing federal grounds getting shot, they just get shot, murdered. Don't tell me listen to that 21yearold with the GED or get murdered.
Just so you know, the more you deny the very obvious the worse it looks on you. As a simple point there are people here who in the same line of text, blame black people for 'racewars' because of what the 'media' shows them. Then on other threads openly say something like "Ohh yea, these media stations are white owned, yeaa rothschild controls all the media, bad guys they are haha.."
And PS. If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..