Why Are White Americans So Racist?

a reply to: jcarr85

African Muslims were also taking and enslaving millions of whites too.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I think your perception of the situation and the manipulation going on is way off. I cannot however force you to see the light.

Also you're way to quick to excuse BLM's divisive language and way too quick to call out other groups reacting to it. Cause and effect.

I've tried explaining to you why framing things in racist terms will always create more division than unity. How framing matters.

Btw, we were discussing marriage in part of this topic, and I was challenged to prove that blacks used to have far better marriage rates.





Here you go.

Clearly, even through years where there were serious legal impediments to the black community, they still managed to marry and form families even more successfully than whites. It was after the removal of those legal roadblocks and the implementation of the Great Society programs designed to help them that things started to careen out of control in terms of marriage.

Clearly something happened for the black marriage rate that had nothing to with the scars of slavery.

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originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

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That feeling you get when holding a camera. people assume you are media, a pervert, weird, criminal, a creep and sometimes you have to tirelessly justify yourself...

Is exactly what being a stigmatized minority feels like with different presumptions put onto you. But when you can put a camera down and not deal with it. You can't put yourself away, It’s not something you can simply decide not to deal with it that day.

From people who clutch purses as you walk by, check their pockets in a frenzy without consideration that you are actually intelligent enough to notice the behavior, follow you around in stores suddenly having something to fix in an aisle always near you. These things lead to other things, false investigations, profiling, waiting becomes loitering, being lost becomes being suspicious and on and on and on.

TIM WISE – on - White Privilege, Racism, White Denial & The Cost of Inequality YouTube. 🏢🏢🏢🏢The only way forward is to listen. Wonderful speaker.

When Racism and White Privilege are too often put in quotations, when used or followed by the word 'card' you know we have a huge acknowledgement issue.

I love you guys, hopefully we can overcome the divisions of the MSM and the Bankers who foster our division and take advantage of our scapegoating of one another.

The fact that the U.S. is so segregated and overall now in major anguish is allowing the inhumane profiteers to use our divisions to foster up distractions and continue pillaging like some sickly crafted reverse trapezium that harvests wealth off of bitterness, fear, mistrust and hatred, killing off its host and the planet in the process all while cashing in from the protections and fortifications of the Swiss alps arming and funding both sides.



JANE ELLIOT = on – White Privilege, Racism White Denial with GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL DEMONSTRATION. Wonderful teacher.

a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy



Well then allow me to retort.

That cognitive dissonance you observe when watching SJWs argue about how only whites can be racist.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I firmly believe that gangsta rappers aren't promoted and made into status symbols cause they're the best most skilled entertainment the "black" community has had to offer. It's purposeful and malicious.

As for white supremacy thing, these people do not have their power because they are white. Their whiteness has nothing to do with it. I despise the classifying that power as white supremacy. I am white skinned, I do not benefit from them being in power, I'm well below the poverty line, and they are my enemy too. White supremacy completely mislabels the problem entirely and is way off the dart board.

It separates me from you, as it lumps me in with them due to the color of my skin, when the truth is it is we who should be lumped together. Obama actually is a good example he's part of their cabal. It's about economic and social status. As I said earlier there is more connecting rich white people and rich black people than there is poor black people and rich black people. As a poor white person and you a poor black person, we are more connected than you are with your Obama example.

So framing it as a white supremacy problem is wrong. Framing matters. The wrong framing can completely ruin a picture. We share the same enemy, but by framing it in terms of white supremacy you imply I'm not also a victim, and am part of the problem. This forces us to argue over this rather than, if it had been framed right in the first place causing us to unite against the same enemy harming us both.

See this is the problem with racist language, it creates divides that shouldn't exist.

I agree with your statements, and to explain the 'white supremacy' when one tries to fight it by uniting, when there rises an opposing force, it will almost seem they are equally agreeing with the current super powers that exist out there. Think of it as trying to get rid of a problem which plagues you and there's a different class of people up infront of you attempting to block you. Using counter statements telling you to stay where you are.

Lets talk about racism. 15% of the population is black. You know why that is? Because blacks kill each other so much they keep their own population minimal. Not white people, not orientals, not hispanics BLACKS.Blacks have more kids on average per family than other races but end up dead before they reach adulthood. Blacks commit more viiolent crimes than any other race. Look at the statistics they dont lie. Whitey is not the problem. Black scumbags ruin the lives of good black people not whitey. Black scumbags are the ones that you use the "N" word to describe. They are the ones that scream racism, riot destroy their own neighborhoods and rob , steal,rape and kill other black people and anyone else that they can victimiz and dont want to take responsibility for their actions. They are whats wrong with this country today. And the libtards throwing gas on the fire by siding with them.

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originally posted by: ketsuko
Btw, we were discussing marriage in part of this topic, and I was challenged to prove that blacks used to have far better marriage rates.

Here you go.

Clearly, even through years where there were serious legal impediments to the black community, they still managed to marry and form families even more successfully than whites. It was after the removal of those legal roadblocks and the implementation of the Great Society programs designed to help them that things started to careen out of control in terms of marriage.

Clearly something happened for the black marriage rate that had nothing to with the scars of slavery.

Something did definitely happened, all I can suggest is that rap music started near the end of the 70s, not sure of the influence that had. I'll look into it one day or when I can.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

That's not what's happening though, same with the BLM situation. What you have is one side framing things in racist terms, others saying, no it's not like that, please stop using racist terms and let's unite, then the other side refusing to let go of the racist framing and accept the other side in unity to solve the problem.

This is a roadblock created by people refusing to frame things in terms of human rights and choosing to obsessively cling to divisive rhetoric.

Is far easier for people to recognize a wrong when put in terms that do not alienate them.

You can succeed using racist rhetoric, but you're starting with a limp by doing so and rightly so, as by holding onto such frameworks, you're helping promote the concept of race and helping spread the seeds so they can better take root.

The very name black lives matter by it's very nature helps spread racism, it does so because by it's name alone it bolsters and gives strength to the very concept of race.

Is possible too I misunderstood what you were saying though. So if I have please let me know.

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

They haven't united the people. They've indoctrinated some people under a false framing of complicated situation and in doing so divided many as a result and in doing so distracted from the real problem. Your claim is false, rather than unite as you claim, they've instead created further division under the illusion of unity all without realizing they are doing so serving the instigations and desires of people like Soros who make a living creating problems so they can provide a "solution" to them that will never fix it but permanently line their pockets while keep us too weak, divided and distracted to fight back.

BLM is being used to protect police corruption by framing it in the wrong light, as well as further the race divide in the process by giving Soros and people like him a venue to place paid instigators to further instigate this divide with false outrage and brutality.

Well, BLM the group, I don't know much of their internal affairs. Outwardly, the initial movement of people saying black lives matter without a central organized group has had African Americans coming together. Yes, it does divide but not by too much, the division gets worse when someone goes back and shout all lives matter when the people are angered at a killing that is considered unwarranted. But the division doesn't exist. There are many white people at riots with them, supporting their cry. Their cry isn't against the white man but against the police and what they see as structural racism within the legal system. When you're complaining about the legal system and then a person, not of the race, whom you had never spoke a word of joins to defend it(much like this thread, where non-white Americans come and comment with their fury

) it's aggravating and then they are also seen as an 'enemy'. It's like you're asking those who signed and swore to protect you "Hey stop killing us" they do it anyway, there's no repercussions and then other people also join in that fight against you.

I saw Grafitti on a bank window that said black lives matter, the windows were smashed ON THE WORD "MATTER" that's where the breach happened, the recent protests were largely peaceful according to eye witnesses until riot officers justified a crackdown by shooting teargas canisters to provoke reaction and chaos. In many of the looting videos there are actually white men masked and wearing hoodies who smash windows out with baseball bats and skateboards.

Keep in mind, people in VANCOUVER riot just as hard flipping buses and torching police cruisers when their HOCKEY TEAMS WIN!!!

Did everyone here see the European football riots with England and France where people were shanked and slashed into critical condition by broken bottles and stabbed with knives? These people have rioted for things severely less critical than continual secrecy of police shootings disproportionately against people of color.

Yet we have the AIex Joneses and other SOROS funded far right groups once again giving ammo to both sides as corporations continue to be the major cause of the underlying tension and mistrust pervading society and disparity of weath nationwide and lack of justice.

Did no one remember the Anaheim California riots where white nationalists stabbed several people?

I think its important to make notice that the dynamics of the riots like in Charlotte are much more complex than some final conclusion that black people are 99% in the wrong and responsible for every negative or energy around the incidents. A great example is when you do go and watch some of these videos form riots and looting, whether in Ferguson, Oakdale CA, or now Charlotte..

How about we stop being fearful of eachother and hateful so that we can kick the international corporate plutogarchs out of our lives and expose their activities around the world and at home which are undergirding our abilities to make amends?

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I think your perception of the situation and the manipulation going on is way off. I cannot however force you to see the light.

Also you're way to quick to excuse BLM's divisive language and way too quick to call out other groups reacting to it. Cause and effect.

I've tried explaining to you why framing things in racist terms will always create more division than unity. How framing matters.

It could be wrong, I'll research move of what the movement itself does. The framing is important it is, saying white police officers are killing black people, is alot different from saying police are killing people.

However the movement, the killings, it has in a sense unified the black community to some extent who were once separated, they unify to fight a common enemy. Which means when they hit a resolve they will most likely or hopefully remain as a single entity, because they understand they are all alike. From that point onwards there's but 1 more hurdle to cross which would be fully dissolving in society, with respect spreading equally.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy

Well then allow me to retort.

That cognitive dissonance you observe when watching SJWs argue about how only whites can be racist.

When you hear people argue that you ignore them

originally posted by: BlubberyConspiracy
That feeling you get when holding a camera. people assume you are media, a pervert, weird, criminal, a creep and sometimes you have to tirelessly justify yourself...

Is exactly what being a stigmatized minority feels like with different presumptions put onto you. But when you can put a camera down and not deal with it. You can't put yourself away, It’s not something you can simply decide not to deal with it that day.

From people who clutch purses as you walk by, check their pockets in a frenzy without consideration that you are actually intelligent enough to notice the behavior, follow you around in stores suddenly having something to fix in an aisle always near you. These things lead to other things, false investigations, profiling, waiting becomes loitering, being lost becomes being suspicious and on and on and on.

TIM WISE – on - White Privilege, Racism, White Denial & The Cost of Inequality YouTube. 🏢🏢🏢🏢The only way forward is to listen. Wonderful speaker.

When Racism and White Privilege are too often put in quotations, when used or followed by the word 'card' you know we have a huge acknowledgement issue.

I love you guys, hopefully we can overcome the divisions of the MSM and the Bankers who foster our division and take advantage of our scapegoating of one another.

The fact that the U.S. is so segregated and overall now in major anguish is allowing the inhumane profiteers to use our divisions to foster up distractions and continue pillaging like some sickly crafted reverse trapezium that harvests wealth off of bitterness, fear, mistrust and hatred, killing off its host and the planet in the process all while cashing in from the protections and fortifications of the Swiss alps arming and funding both sides.

JANE ELLIOT = on – White Privilege, Racism White Denial with GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL DEMONSTRATION. Wonderful teacher.

Many people don't understand this, many are offended by the simple stereotype appointed to them that they are absolutely outraged. They only see from their perspective. Well said.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I'm going to agree to disagree. This will go on forever otherwise and I grow tired. I'll leave with one final point though, promoting race will only ever promote race. This a law protecting law issue, it's a poor training issue, and often it's simply people insisting on framing it in terms of the black as a victim no matter what the facts are issue. Blacks are killing other blacks in record numbers, numbers that make the police killing of blacks look inconsequential in comparison. Part of the issue there is most of these neighborhoods have no where near enough cops to police them and protect the innocent citizens. There's... no what never mind as I said I'm getting tired of arguing all this. It's really complicated and this thread isn't about BLM and BLM is a topic I don't really feel like discussing at this point.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

That's not what's happening though, same with the BLM situation. What you have is one side framing things in racist terms, others saying, no it's not like that, please stop using racist terms and let's unite, then the other side refusing to let go of the racist framing and accept the other side in unity to solve the problem.

This is a roadblock created by people refusing to frame things in terms of human rights and choosing to obsessively cling to divisive rhetoric.

Is far easier for people to recognize a wrong when put in terms that do not alienate them.

You can succeed using racist rhetoric, but you're starting with a limp by doing so and rightly so, as by holding onto such frameworks, you're helping promote the concept of race and helping spread the seeds so they can better take root.

The very name black lives matter by it's very nature helps spread racism, it does so because by it's name alone it bolsters and gives strength to the very concept of race.

Is possible too I misunderstood what you were saying though. So if I have please let me know.

I agree the name is a bit controversial. I agree that ALM is a good term, but understand, before you go to war with another enemy you would want to ensure that all your armies are up to par. Otherwise you'll notice the army which is below par will most likely fail and be wiped out during the mission at hand.

It's like this, you get a huge cut on your hand profusely losing blood, and others with minor scars are saying hey, your cut matters just as much as my cut. Tell them all our cuts matter, not just yours, even though you are minutes away from death due to blood loss. How about you at least have his blood loss slowed then you all demand better service for your wounds. This would require that the man with the large cut get treatment before the rest.

But many people cannot wrap their minds around someone getting something that they do not, they cannot wrap their mind around someone getting special treatment. However you do not see that to the black race, it is currently in their eyes that the white man, gets the preferred treatment in their country. And all they are asking for is not preference, not privilege, but basic rights. Being allowed to live, being allowed the benefit of the doubt, not framed as a thug or criminal but as a man who at the time of death did nothing but walk away, not comply to his visioned 'oppressor' someone trained for this type of work, who should expect 'disobedient' civilians. Someone who is there to protect that just fires because well, I have no clue, could be because of the idea that a 'black' person is more likely to attack/retaliate, and as such an officer fears his life. In a situation where you can die your head and mind is in full survival mode and some will pull the trigger. But you will never decipher what is happening in the mind of that police, instead what people see is a white officer, pulling a trigger without reason slaying a black man, and then face no repercussions for murder, then set free into the world. It suggests you have nothing, no protection, nothing but yourselves, your fellow black brothers and you don't matter.

It brings the unity amongst them, they make their cry against the police. When you step infront of all that to suggest hey, all lives matter, we may not be visually promoted through the media as you are but we get killed too, not only do the ignorant spread it in a negative light which sounds as if they are saying "Shut up". It shows and suggests that all that is occuring is ok and nothing is wrong.

He who feels it, knows it.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I'm going to agree to disagree. This will go on forever otherwise and I grow tired. I'll leave with one final point though, promoting race will only ever promote race. This a law protecting law issue, it's a poor training issue, and often it's simply people insisting on framing it in terms of the black as a victim no matter what the facts are issue. Blacks are killing other blacks in record numbers, numbers that make the police killing of blacks look inconsequential in comparison. Part of the issue there is most of these neighborhoods have no where near enough cops to police them and protect the innocent citizens. There's... no what never mind as I said I'm getting tired of arguing all this. It's really complicated and this thread isn't about BLM and BLM is a topic I don't really feel like discussing at this point.

A criminal killing an innocent man.
IS VERYYYYYYYY FAR DIFFERENT FROM
A police killing a criminal.

Why does the movement only come now? Well when you're afraid of criminals and then your one source of protection goes out. What do you do?

I tend to ignore people who state 'black on black crime'. Each race experiences "Race on Race" crime. I don't speak on the matter for many reasons.

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
Many people don't understand this, many are offended by the simple stereotype appointed to them that they are absolutely outraged. They only see from their perspective. Well said.

A simple theoretical solution is to have someone who thinks it isn't a problem be painted dark and have their hair texture changed etc and released back into their daily lives. Which shouldn't be necessary if people stopped pretending that people are inventing or bringing the issues themselves.

A good or great teacher actually might be living abroad. There are many Youtube channels I follow where people go abroad (not for the purpose of feeling stigmatized), but to work and keep a blog in the same time to inform their subscribers about the culture, customs ect. and have many incidents while abroad which they describe as weirdos or strange people while receiving unfair or unequitable treatment. Tenants not wanting to rent out to them, or zoning them out of certain nice areas, switching to that persons assumed language (English) even if they're German or Swedish abroad providing tourist utensils and Americanized accommodations regardless of how long the persons been there. Until it clicks (for some) and is continually denied by others. Even in incidents which can be described as minor or in some cases understandable and thoughtful it is something real, and you can't have a press conference to make it stop, you can't walk out of it one day and decide to just lay loose for a while and deal with it next week.

While some of the foreign experiences might not be as severe as incidents of blatant discrimination elsewhere and at home its still a wake up call and not something you can simply explain away to two or three people to make it stop.

Whats worse about this is minorities are often treated like foreigners in their own country here in the States in ways that are opposite to friendly gestures and often have minor to severe implications in terms of freedom of action, travel, where to or not to eat. Things as simple as walking into a brand store can have a dastardly different routine, like not going in to a long shopping trip with a bottle of water because you know almost every time you will be asked if you are going to pay for that and from prior experiences could get into an annoying or bad situation if you try to assert what you know and move on.

And I'm not saying if you see an unknown black dude in a hoodie hands in his pocket walking down the street on your sidewalk towards you at night and you're the only one around to not cross the street or go into a store for safety precautions if you feel the intuition to. I even do it too sometimes as a black guy, I'm not saying not to check your pockets if you just got off of a packed L train coming out of a blighted community, or not to check your purse if you don't remember if you left it open when the minority you saw made you feel the need to check it. What I'm saying is respect that that person of question is not defined by YOUR or SOCIETY's presumptions about them and AT LEAST have the decency to not let your lack of forefront insult their intelligence as you blatantly do it in front of them.

And certianly don't do # like spitting in peoples food, giving them that special cup put aside to serve them in, throwing trash out your window when you hit "that neighborhood" and blatantly provocative intentional discrimination and assault activities. Don't drive around calling people N-Word(plural) when someone had the courage to come into your neighborhood. Don't do that church and apartments arson stuff, it's totally not okay.

Cause we need to get to the bottom of this stuff and start sharing our stories. Because it's getting really bad again where people are openly stating "Shoot these animals in the heads" "uncivilized apes" "look at them like seagulls" "rats came back from the sewer"

Its not even shocking anymore, and almost not even disappointing as my expectations have dropped severely. Don't let it come to that..

Since all world perspectives are valid, the simple answer is to have a long ear. Listen more than screaming and covering one's ears. We can't afford to be seeing red like this when we are an armed garrison state with financiers who cannot wait to make industry on that emotion.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

The reason why I mention it is because much of that black on black crime is so rampant is because there's a concerted effort to make sure these places are under policed, and now there's a movement which has the over all goal and narrative to further remove police from being able to handle crime in the black community, a community already suffering from under policing resulting in more blacks killing each other. Someone is seriously trying to protect crime in black neighborhoods. The two are intimately connected, when you see that, you might get what's really going on. There's a reason people like Soros are funding BLM and it's not love and concern for the black community.

There seems to be a concerted effort to
A: Keep black communities under policed.
B: Make excuses for black criminals no matter how clearly wrong their actions are.
C: Paint all police as the bad guys in black communities no matter what they do.
D: Push the worst aspects of "black culture" flood the entertainment industry with thug culture, and gangsta rap.

Wow the more letters I add the more obvious and malevolent this is. Someone is clearly attempting to keep the black community in a perpetual state of killing each other.

I'm a middle-aged white male. And, although I can't relate to the total plight of the black race, I felt your post was very well presented, and has helped me to understand the reasoning of what seems to be totally outrageous behavior on the part of some of these protesters. I noticed that you never excused the behavior, only tried to explain why it may be happening. I was raised by a single father, who is only 18 years older than I am. We did not have very much when I was growing up. We live in the poorer areas of the city, and never had nice clothes to wear, etc. My dad remarried later in life, and had two more kids. At that point in his life, he was much more financially well established, not to mention, he married a woman who was also fairly well-to-do, and so consequently my younger siblings were provided a much better upbringing. I'm not bitter. I love my siblings very much, and am very happy for their good fortune. The reason I bring this up, is to illustrate how, because of different circumstances, my siblings are prospering much better than me. Not because I don't try, I work very hard, but because they were afforded many better opportunities than I was. So, in retrospect, I can see why, 300 years of slavery, bigotry, and oppression, would have a lasting effect on a people.
reply to: SuspiciousTom