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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ketsuko
Here's the thing ... we're talking about communities that are their own worst enemies. How do you police an area with high crime, especially high violent crime, and an automatic attitude toward cops at the outset and the idea that snitches get stitches?
Hi crime is a result of oppression, lack of education, jobs, drugs, gangsters; allowed, indeed promoted in order to keep the whole community down. So we get a war for turf between the gangbangers and the police, who treat everyone like a gangsta.
You can call any community its own worst enemy, buts its only a few that are really the troublemakers. Ordinary people are caught in the middle.
See...everyone thinks it is about being black. It isn't. It is about the community itself.
Lack of education ... I taught in an inner city school for a time.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vasa Croe
See...everyone thinks it is about being black. It isn't. It is about the community itself.
Yah, the authorities, the 'community' management that oppresses the people in the "community".
If you reviewed the link I brought from Ora above, you'd know that.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Whatever....tired of the excuses given for bad behavior.
But excuse the bad behavior on authorities part, exclusively.
Take the log out of your own eye, first.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: intrptr
Are you suggesting inner city kids don't eat breakfast? Can you provide links that back up that claim? You do realize you sound racist right now right? You're basically saying black people don't feed their kids..
You also realize that low income families often get free food and the schools, especially inner city schools, provide breakfast for kids?
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
Do you really think the black population is taking "per capita" into account?
Either way...double the amount of whites have died...per capita or not as far as actual numbers are concerned.
White Americans are Americans who are considered or reported as White. The United States Census Bureau defines White people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa."[2] Like all official U.S. racial categories, "White" has a "Not Hispanic or Latino" and a "Hispanic or Latino" component,[3] the latter consisting mostly of White Mexican Americans and White Cuban Americans. The term "Caucasian" is often used interchangeably with "White", although the terms are not synonymous.
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
Do you really think the black population is taking "per capita" into account?
Either way...double the amount of whites have died...per capita or not as far as actual numbers are concerned.
I did some googling and found this link:
www.chicagotribune.com - Analysis: More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed ...
If it's true--in absolute numbers nationwide--double the number of whites die to cops than blacks then my 3x number I gave isn't far off from what the link shows--it gives 2.5x. But I don't know much about these stats and neither am I educated in these matters, so...
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
Do you really think the black population is taking "per capita" into account?
Either way...double the amount of whites have died...per capita or not as far as actual numbers are concerned.
I did some googling and found this link:
www.chicagotribune.com - Analysis: More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed ...
If it's true--in absolute numbers nationwide--double the number of whites die to cops than blacks then my 3x number I gave isn't far off from what the link shows--it gives 2.5x. But I don't know much about these stats and neither am I educated in these matters, so...
Sure...that is a per capita result. Actual numbers are twice as many whites.
Anywho....I would highly doubt that if you asked any rioters on these cases they would have any idea about the actual numbers.
"The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black," said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report's authors, said in April. "Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed."
"This just bolsters our confidence that there is some sort of implicit bias going on," Nix said. "Officers are perceiving a greater threat when encountered by unarmed black citizens."
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
Do you really think the black population is taking "per capita" into account?
Either way...double the amount of whites have died...per capita or not as far as actual numbers are concerned.
I did some googling and found this link:
www.chicagotribune.com - Analysis: More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed ...
If it's true--in absolute numbers nationwide--double the number of whites die to cops than blacks then my 3x number I gave isn't far off from what the link shows--it gives 2.5x. But I don't know much about these stats and neither am I educated in these matters, so...
Sure...that is a per capita result. Actual numbers are twice as many whites.
Anywho....I would highly doubt that if you asked any rioters on these cases they would have any idea about the actual numbers.
From that same link is a quote:
"The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black," said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report's authors, said in April. "Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed."
"This just bolsters our confidence that there is some sort of implicit bias going on," Nix said. "Officers are perceiving a greater threat when encountered by unarmed black citizens."
Are you suggesting inner city kids don't eat breakfast? Can you provide links that back up that claim? You do realize you sound racist right now right? You're basically saying black people don't feed their kids..
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: kruphix
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
multiple felony convictions
So, Scott was convicted of a misdemeanor 12 years ago, driving under the influence last year, charged with some other stuff 25 years ago, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a felony) served his time, and was released 5 years ago.
Where are the "multiple" felony convictions? I see one, for which he served his time. So, are you saying that if a person is convicted of a felony and serve their time, their killing can be justified, even when the cops don't know who it is they're shooting or what his past history is?
Sure, some of the shootings can't be justified, but this one is NOT one of those.
People need to justify their opinions when they know they are vile...this is how people do it with minorities being killed by cops.
They try to dig up something about their past and say "See,he was a bad person and deserved to be executed without a judge or jury". It's makes them feel better, when what they really think is "He was black, probably was a bad person anyway, he deserved to die".
Yet more whites than blacks, almost double, are killed by cops every year.
No need to dig anything up from the past? So courts and spouses and jobs shouldn't worry about what people have done in the past? Interesting. Why do we even have jails then? I mean once a crime is done it's in the past. Hell....why are we even debating this shooting? It's in the past.
Is there a specific time requirement for past activities before we shouldn't look at them? Maybe use the statute of limitations for being prosecuted?
Grand logic there.
Ok let me take what youy say at face value. Almost double the number of whites die to cops. But the black population in the US is about 13% and the white population is about 77%. That's nearly 6x! So shouldn't there be approximately 6 times more white persons dying to cops?
Do you really think the black population is taking "per capita" into account?
Either way...double the amount of whites have died...per capita or not as far as actual numbers are concerned.
I did some googling and found this link:
www.chicagotribune.com - Analysis: More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed ...
If it's true--in absolute numbers nationwide--double the number of whites die to cops than blacks then my 3x number I gave isn't far off from what the link shows--it gives 2.5x. But I don't know much about these stats and neither am I educated in these matters, so...
Sure...that is a per capita result. Actual numbers are twice as many whites.
Anywho....I would highly doubt that if you asked any rioters on these cases they would have any idea about the actual numbers.
From that same link is a quote:
"The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black," said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report's authors, said in April. "Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed."
"This just bolsters our confidence that there is some sort of implicit bias going on," Nix said. "Officers are perceiving a greater threat when encountered by unarmed black citizens."
In the link they explain they how htey already looked at violent crime explanations and regional affects. They gave an example using 2009 data, showing how black americans were charged with much higher rates of some crimes--like robberies, murders and assaults-- than whites, despite only being 15 percent of the population. But this doesn't explain why police target blacks, especialy unarmed blacks, so often. They also looked at high crime neighborhoods and found police were not more likely to target them. End result is race seems to be the only reason unarmed blacks are targetted more frequently.