No time for Evolution?

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: audubon

Care to illustrate how it is a myth?

Again I am a scientist. I KNOW how I get data. I've got the scars to prove it (glass cuts).

Again you are missing the important point. Confirmation bias. You don't go in to an investigation with a theory to prove, unless you are willing to drop the theory, when the evidence shows your theory is wrong.

Oh and don't quote "Professor A faked data" as proof. Post the statistics. From every paper published in Science each year, how many are proving your theory. Single instances prove nothing. Statistics is best served from large populations

You evidently haven't understood a single sentence of what I posted before, because your above-quoted reply is like an overheard snatch of someone else's conversation. Until you show some semblance of comprehension and engagement, I am happy to let my previous post stand unaddressed, as mute testimony to your failure to rebut it.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Etymology is one of my favorite pastimes.

Nice used to mean strange (anyone who has read Good Omens knows this).

But the root word for Guest, Host, and stranger are the same. *Ghosti is a Proto Indo-European word that has been reconstructed (the * means reconstructed) and the word for stranger was "ghost".

So with evolution, the masses see it to mean only biological changes, not any of the others. Meaning they misquote science.

Mind you, quacks like Dr Oz sell Pseudo-science as the real deal, so who is to blame?

One does not have to understand how a pharmaceutical works, to have it actually work do they? If you did, you'd all be dead by now, since many drugs have very amorphous mechanisms.

a reply to: audubon

Citations or it did not happen neighbor. You made extraordinary claims, with no proof. Hitchens Razor applies

Run along, especially as you are a new account. Sock puppet much?

a reply to: Noinden

Ah yuck. Do you do much with MRSA?

And I completely agree about what you said with the reference to business. How do people expect scientists to develop or discover anything without any money to do it? It's not like people work for free or the equipment costs nothing and has no upkeep costs. The idea of "big pharma", in my opinion, is people not understanding how businesses really work. But this would be worth it less own topic, which funnily enough, I created a while ago lol.

a reply to: Noinden

I know a few bits and bobs about etymology. Nothing major though and mainly from people not understanding a word or where it came from. So it was kind of an education for me by educating someone else.

To evolve, or evolution, from its earlier meaning basically just means -to develop. That covers such a large area of subjects. Yet, like you said, people misuse it all the time.

a reply to: TerryDon79

I'm a process development Chemist, mostly. My Job is to make the Pharmaceutical scale up successfully for cGMP manufacture. That is a different skill set than a Medicinal Chemist (I used to be one of them), I deal with Kilograms to tons of product, and not letting it go boom while being made.

However last time I was in Medicinal Chemistry, I was working on a couple of HepC treatments (some of my ideas are even still used over a decade later). But antibiotics are usually not a focus, as they are a royal pain to get to Market. There is a company I used to work with (not for) Cubist Pharmaceuticals, they are interested in new treatments. Like I said, its a war against Evolution (in a good way) and stupidity (lets put antibiotics in everything, even if its a virus we are fighting)

a reply to: TerryDon79

Bingo! People don't understand the words they use. Its why I ask if English is someones first language often, it is a free pass if its not in most cases. English is a mongrel of a language.

Edit

Also etymology is actually an improtant part of my Faith. The word *ghosti has an improtant meaning spiritually for myself (and several 100 others)

a reply to: Noinden

Oh ok.

See? I just made a mistake of using a generalisation of the word chemist lol. Even the best (I'm not saying I'm the best) of us can do it easily. The problem arises when people (I won't mention names, but it's pretty obvious) purposely misuse meanings of words to somehow try and prove a point.

a reply to: Noinden

English is a harsh language for a non native speaker.

Which, witch
Their, there, they're
Sun, son
Sum, some

And so on.

a reply to: Noinden

Bingo!

What does your dog have to do with it?

a reply to: TerryDon79

No its fine, when you become a professional non academic Scientist you tend to actually get specific tool sets. If you make pharmaceuticals for a living, you are usually one of Four areas

(a) Medchem/R&D
(b) Process Development
(c) Analytical
(d) Production

Each is a different skill set. We can jump between most of them, but it takes time to get to speed for business. SO I can do certain analytical techniques better than most (NMR for example, which is what MRI grew out from), I can do MedChem but prefer to not do it (their job is to just MAKE a SMALL amount of it, and screw making it again). Bu PD and Production I can do. I'm physically strong (ever move a drum (200L) of Dichloromethane), don't freak out when things go wrong, and have over a decade doing this.

Now most people will be "oh but your still a Chemist", well yes, "just" a chemist. I understand chemistry, I do it, however I do a certain type better than other types. Most academics have not been in a lab for decades, its their young postgrads who do the grunt work. The exception will be the theoretical types (computational chemists, Bioinformatics, etc) then sure they log in to the powerful computer, and crunch the numbers.

All this being brought on-topic: You never understand the entirety of a thing in science, the moment you think you do...retire, and stop talking to other scientists. Ypu've lost objectivity. So yeah, Deities might have started life (show me evidence, and which deities), but they clearly walked away and let evolution do the rest, we can show this.

a reply to: Phage

Her name is not Bingo I thought I'd filled my card in the game of muppets (like game of thrones but less sexy), given house Abrahamic is making its moves at the moment.

Ah Phage. Welcome back from Fiji.

I trust your part in the coup went according to plan?

a reply to: Noinden
Then why were you calling her?

Never mind. Must be a language thing.

a reply to: Phage

I just had that particular song Its like row row row your boat after Star Trek V.

a reply to: Noinden

Sounds like you've got quite a big skill set in the industry. Certainly explains why you know what you're talking about.

I used to work factories as a teenager. NEver moved 200l drum of Dichloromethane, but I did move drums of toothpaste and mouthwash lol.

I got my degree in computer science over a decade ago and a vocational in electrical engineering around the same time. When windows XP was still the goto operating system and server 2003 wasn't around long lol. I mainly do repairs now. I find it more enjoyable.

I'm not against the idea of "god(s) created early life". I'm not against the idea of god(s) in general. I'm against the idea that, if we can't find an answer, god(s) did it MUST be the answer.

a reply to: Noinden

I always liked a particular J.J.J. Schmidt. (or was it Smith?)

a reply to: Noinden

Ok. I hate you. I've got bingo AND row row row your boat stuck in my head.

It's like "row row row your boat, gently down the stream, and bingo was his name-oh!"

Do you know how irritating that is?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Well lets talk Comp Sci

People use Information theory to talk about evolution (biological) which is funny. They assume that genetics is like a well structured programming language. When its much more like R. A language which has no governance over how it should be run. Anyone who has used R (mostly Statisticians, and Bioinformatics people) know that its a hodge podge.


Its why using analogy is a poor tool in the long run.

You don't understand evolution as if you were building a house, or assembling a car, or insert analogy. The function is different. Just like you don't understand a car like a house. Or a house like a car.

a reply to: Phage

Ask Nelson Mandella, he was alive last week right? I saw him dueting with Freddie....