Clinton team avoided ER to conceal details of her medical treatment

a reply to: xstealth

Sure.

Dr. Noel has never examined HIllary Clinton.

Dr. Noel admits he's opposed to Clinton on political grounds.

Dr. Noel is a specialist (anesthesiologist) not an internist.

Dr. Noel is already "on the record" as supporting the right-wing garbage about Clinton's supposed "Parkinson's."

Snopes

originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: Gryphon66

You think she was sweating profusely?

You think she was urinating frequently during the event?

Was she losing blood?

What exactly would cause her to become dehydrated? She wasn't doing exercise.

This wasn't dehydration, I watch the video zoomed, it was a type of seizure.

In your professional medical opinion? You do realize that not every case of dehydration is identical? Or not?

She had a fever, she was sitting heavily clothed in the sun, she hasn't been resting following doctor's orders, her skin in multiple photographs looked drawn and thin, pale etc. etc.

You don't want the obvious facts to be true because it doesn't fit your theory. You're doing "science" in reverse.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: Gryphon66

You think she was sweating profusely?

You think she was urinating frequently during the event?

Was she losing blood?

What exactly would cause her to become dehydrated? She wasn't doing exercise.

This wasn't dehydration, I watch the video zoomed, it was a type of seizure.

In your professional medical opinion? You do realize that not every case of dehydration is identical? Or not?

She had a fever, she was sitting heavily clothed in the sun, she hasn't been resting following doctor's orders, her skin in multiple photographs looked drawn and thin, pale etc. etc.

You don't want the obvious facts to be true because it doesn't fit your theory. You're doing "science" in reverse.

Dehydration is very dangerous so why didn't she go to a hospital immediately. If I saw you on the street suffering from dehydration to the point you passed out I'm calling an Ambalance because the next step after that Is heart failure. Don't treat fainting as minor unless you're certain there is no serious underlying cause and that can only be determined by a doctor. Fainting if this is what they are claiming occurs when thr blood flow to the brain is interupted or worse with pneumonia lack of oxygen in the blood. Meaning you need at minimum a breathing treatment and steroids. Worse case scenario oxygen tank or respirator.

So the mysterious part is why no one was concerned with her health and took her to a hospital she could have died.

originally posted by: xstealth
I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: xstealth
I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD.

If Hillary supporters disagree with this doctor, can they be called Islamophobes?

We should all be concerned about our medical privacy. That is why there are laws protecting it. My health is my business. Clinton's health is her business.

Except to where your health interferes with your ability to do your job without reasonable accommodation.

Then, we need to know the degree of impairment and judge whether or not we feel she will be able to represent us better than another candidate.

If we aren't told (convincingly), then we are free to ASSUME what we will.

Let's judge her on her policy ideas and not what bug she may have caught or the results on a colonoscopy.

Sure. Have you read her policy ideas on her page? It's a joke, and an insult to one's intelligence. Most of her "policy ideas" center around curing diseases and social ills that have been around for decades. Seriously? As if the POTUS can do much there.... Compare that to actual plans on her opponent's site.

As for some bug, she has a history of apparent neurological misfires...especially recently, and now multiple collapses. It's not just a bug....

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD

Then you'll love this:

a reply to: Gazrok

Except to where your health interferes with your ability to do your job without reasonable accommodation.

I have to agree with you.
Who wants to fly on an airliner with a narcoleptic pilot?
The co-pilot has severe depression.

originally posted by: butcherguy

Who wants to fly on an airliner with a narcoleptic pilot?

Unknowing people that were allowed to fly, on the plane, because of a negligent hiring process.

Or a suicide party.

originally posted by: SentientCentenarian

Ummm, what if that 'fainting spell' where she had to be propped up against a post and then when she attempted to walk she was entirely unable to and dropped like a sack of potatoes was indicative of a NEW illness? Like a heart attack or stroke?
......

Very strange, I've fainted a few times, they tell you and you learn if you feel it coming (lightheaded) to get down and sit against a wall or in a corner with your head down low to increase blood flow to it. This to help prevent the faint and prevent the fall, which is usually more serious than the faint.

They had her standing against a concrete pillar on a concrete sidewalk. I don't think she was being treated for being lightheaded and overheated. For that you would sit her down in the shade and get her a drink...

I think they knew exactly what was wrong and had been through this before or trained for it, and they felt they had to get her out of there because it was far more serious than a little lightheadedness.

But why not go to a hospital? - Maybe the specific treatment for whatever they already knew what was wrong was in the van already, she only needed treatment in the van, but they had to go somewhere... or the van would have gathered a crowd. No need to go to a hospital - this was expected and trained for by their own staff.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: xstealth
I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD.

If Hillary supporters disagree with this doctor, can they be called Islamophobes?

If I disagreed with him because he's Muslim? Sure.

If I disagree with him because he's an obvious shill for the right-wing? Nah.

a reply to: dragonridr
The scenario you're outlining is apt, but it is an extreme case when the body's electrolytes are catastrophically out of balance. Yes, the heart can simply stop in extreme cases, surely.

As far as why they didn't take her to a hospital ... all we can do is supposition. I would guess that she didn't allow it.

There are levels and degrees of dehydration. It's always dangerous, but not always life-theatening.

I think they knew exactly what was wrong and had been through this before or trained for it, and they felt they had to get her out of there because it was far more serious than a little lightheadedness.

It was pretty apparent this was not out of the norm.

4 weeks ago, Infowars reported a Secret Service source interview where the source stated she had PD, and that in coming weeks, this was going to be revealed, one way or another. The also described why they use special vans with lift/lower capabilities and internal facilities to support this condition, within the vehicles, vs. standard limos now.

Now, you can point to it being ultra right wing as a source, and you'd be correct, but it doesn't change things.

Brietbart was the only one to report her collapse for HOURS, until video surfaced that then FORCED the MSM to address it. Add to this the almost religious use of the talking point "power through it" that the press was given by the powers that be, and it becomes pretty obvious that any idea we have of a free press is a complete illusion.

I'm curious to see how she's going to "power through" a 90 minute debate without showing any sign of disorder, when she's been limiting non-phone interviews to around 10 minutes. Especially with all the stimuli in a debate setting. A double may work to come out and hug a little girl for distanced press, but that won't work in the debates. (and the double should eat a few more twinkies by the way...just saying)...

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: xstealth
I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD.

If Hillary supporters disagree with this doctor, can they be called Islamophobes?

If I disagreed with him because he's Muslim? Sure.

If I disagree with him because he's an obvious shill for the right-wing? Nah.

I'll use the Progressive playbook and call you an Islamophobe then.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: xstealth
I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Thank you for posting this. Finally some logical clear explanations and opinions by an MD.

If Hillary supporters disagree with this doctor, can they be called Islamophobes?

If I disagreed with him because he's Muslim? Sure.

If I disagree with him because he's an obvious shill for the right-wing? Nah.

I'll use the Progressive playbook and call you an Islamophobe then.

What does that have to do with anything, including the topic? Call me what you wish.

He's a right wing shill. I don't personally care what version of the imaginary man in the sky he favors.

a reply to: ketsuko

I ask this question with 100% respect for both candidates:

Is it possible she has HIV/AIDs?

Would it be so hard to believe given Bill's known escapades with various women?

Just a thought my wife and I discussed earlier.

ETA: Does HIV/AIDS cause seizures and weaken the immune system for illnesses, such as pneumonia, to thrive in?

Is it possible she has HIV/AIDs?

There's just so much support for Parkinson's.

1. Secret Service testimony
2. Analysis by veteran docs pointing to PD
3. Her collapses (PD freezes)
4. The injector pen carried by aides
5. The anti-seizure sunglasses
6. The other PD symptoms she's been caught doing on video
7. The wikileaks emails where she has folks researching the disease

a reply to: introvert
I'm reading all these threads as an interested observer with no particular leanings in either direction. To be 100% honest I don't envy the choice you have to make, and you have to make it. If you don't vote you can't complain about how others vote. Anyway I digress.

If Hilary had a medical condition that is resulting in fits/seizures then the people of the US who are considering voting for her should be concerned. The conditions being bandied about such as Parkinson's and epilepsy can have cognitive impairment issues associated with them. The question I would pose is that 'if' she is fit to serve now and is elected- what happens if she has an event in 18 months and isn't? Imagine the cover up then and the difficulties in removing her from office.

originally posted by: introvert
I can't blame her.

I am a very private person and if I was in a position in which my personal medical info could be leaked by loose-lipped medical staff and an eager press, I would try to keep it as private as possible.

Some things are private and I have never understood why we press political candidates to release medical records.

Seems a bit nosey to me.

ARE YOU INSANE?!?!?!?!

Sorry for the caps...I'll assume you're being sarcastic...

If not though...can you not see the point in WHY political (PRESIDENTIAL) candidates should be pressed to release medical records?

So, if the President of the USA is SICK..and I mean truly sick, say with...oh I dunno... Parkinson's disease...that wouldn't concern you one bit?

The President has to be able to answer a phone in the middle of the night to deal with what we could only assume to be VERY stressful situations. Respond to the Situation Room and decide, CLEARLY, on a course of action the COUNTRY should take. Which may have the potential of effecting the entire globe. If the President is in the White House, and will not answer the phone...no one can make a move without essentially the authority of the next in command. I'm not saying this WILL happen, but theoretically, if North Korea is going to be as stupid as they are leading on to be...do we really want to wait for a doctor or nurse to prop this individual up, give meds, wait for meds to take action...and then slowly get them to the Situation Room to make a decision on the brink of nuclear war? I didn't think so.

Do you understand the ramifications it could have if the President was suffering from a seriously debilitating disease???

Candidates for heads of state SHOULD release medical records when things get this fishy in the public eye. If they are not fit to run the office, the people potentially electing them have a right to know. The fact that medical records are being downplayed is a CLEAR sign that something is up. The Clinton camp is committing FRAUD towards the public as it is quite clear they're covering up her health issues by not admitting to anything other than made up crap about heat stroke and or pneumonia.

She does NOT have pneumonia

She does NOT have heat stroke

She does NOT have a seizure disorder

She DOES have a serious medical condition. Which, in my mind, resembles the beginning to middle stages of Parkinson's Disease. I know others on the internet have leaned towards the same conclusion. Please research for yourself, but I feel this person does a good job in breaking it all down and summing it all up in plain English. Please note the 2.6 million hits this video has...interestingly it is NOT trending. Hmmmm... I wonder why...



Perhaps she would be better for the job as opposed to Trump (both are crap candidates in my eyes). If she wasn't sick! But she most clearly is!

The coughing fits do NOT resemble pulmonary stress or blockages - ie symptoms of bronchitis, which is indicative of pneumonia.

To me, they look like she has trouble swallowing, causing coughing fits. This is a symptom of Parkinson's Disease.

Her spastic episodes, freezing episodes and trouble walking are all indicative symptoms of Parkinsons Disease as well as side effects of treatment for such a disease.

Like the doctor in the video says, this is NOT a diagnosis, but a conclusion of what has been witnessed. I would have to concur with this statement and analysis.

Also, I have nothing to loose or gain in this. I am not for ANY politician ( I think they're ALL nuts). I'm not even American...but I do live on this planet and I do recognize the power of the Office of the President of the United State of America...especially the military and nuclear capabilities it can wield.

As always, you be the judge, but for the love of all that is not total lies and crap in the world...PLEASE...

DENY IGNORANCE!

what happens if she has an event in 18 months and isn't? Imagine the cover up then and the difficulties in removing her from office.

President Kaine....ugh....