Clinton team avoided ER to conceal details of her medical treatment

Not been able to read all the post as my interweb is slower that a old turtle..

But does this not all prove that there are serious issues??.. If she was just over heated then what is there to hide about a hydration drink being consumed and a cold wet towel for her head??.

At what point does all this become abuse against her?, and I mean that... It is like a toddler falling hard because you was to incompetent to look out for them to then avoid a hospital check up as you are worried about what the staff would say.. If they found out what really happened..

It is not right that she is being pulled through this crap and more fool her for allowing it. This election is killing her no doubt, at the moment I see sweet FA chance of a debate, and I half expect to not see her in public for a long time.

The women is ill, stop this f#cking stupid situation, the future of a country and its people are at stake and they are p#ssing around trying to pull this person over the finish line... Her campaign is discredited beyond belief it is lie after lie and yet people still have their head in the sand..

RA

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: introvert

Do you know why there are conspiracies?

Because of the lies.

schuyler is entirely correct. It would be much, much harder for the conspiracies to continue had she and her campaign been honest about all this from the start. Instead we get allergies ... no heat exhaustion ... no it was pneumonia we knew about when we were busy telling you all it was heat exhaustion ...

And now we find out they ditched the ER which should have been the first stop according to accepted protocol and they were running around ditching the police escort to do it like some Hollywood thriller?

Yeah, that sort of thing fuels conspiracies.

Can't you tell?

Yes of course it does.

And they don't have a wobbly leg to stand on when people start conjecturing about it.

What happened to her ambulance?

introvert sounds like a sock puppet. Man, while both trump and HC are complete clowns, your lack of realization concerning the importance of her health is very troubling.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: schuyler

She doesn't appear to be sick in the way the conspiracies have inferred.

Don't confuse the conspiracies with catching pneumonia.

What was the crap she spit into the glass?
It looked like my avatar.

Mucus? I don't know.

Does that green # in the glass prove the conspiracies, or does it prove she has had some other, less extreme issues?

Yeah, IDK, it looked like giant green platelets. I am going to go loogie in a glass and see if it sinks. We can dubunk this pig before the hours up.
Psh, the look on my gf's face when I explain this experiment will be worth it alone.
"Do we have a glass I can borrow?"


Nope, loogies float, my contribution to the ATS community is now complete. Back to the conspiracies.

Probably green snails.

Snail and slug mucus is good for coughs and scratchy throats, among other things.

Just let them crawl around in there for a while. Then cough them out if they get too far into the lungs.

No biggie.

a reply to: slider1982

That is an interesting thought ...

Can you subject one of the most powerful women in the world to elder abuse?

But then again, isn't that what some say happened to Michael Jackson?

May have been said as I did not read entire thread, but refusing the police escort because they had to leave tells me one of two things occurred....that whatever was going on with her was very serious and they had to get to a medical team, likely her personal medical team, quickly because they knew exactly what was going on and what to do, or that they did not was the police to see what was going on and talk about it. Whatever it was, they decided it was necessary to leave quickly which is not the case with overheating or dehydration....the goal is to hydrate quickly which I would think for a presidential candidate would involve IV fluids.

Whole story wreaks of covering up a much larger issue and the back peddling with excuses for all of these episodes is actually getting ridiculously funny at this point.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: introvert

No. Many jobs require having physicals done to prove you're fit for duty. Same here. The voting public has a right to know if she's even healthy enough to take on a four year term.

If she can't even stand on a sidewalk without doing a face plant, that's a problem.

Where is that requirement laid-out in the constitution?

When I had a government job I was forced to undergo a yearly 4 hour physical exam, then a dental exam, then weekly drug tests.

I was a no-body, so the Constitution doesn't lay out the fact that we have to drug test our president, so we shouldn't consider it?

We have a right to know if the person we elect has the capacity to finish the term.

I know you don't want to hear anything that might look negative on her, but think logically for a moment. It's a 4 year commitment.

originally posted by: introvert
Some things are private and I have never understood why we press political candidates to release medical records.

Seems a bit nosey to me.

I think a balance has to be struck. Enough information should be released that we can be sure the candidate can physically and mentally handle the office. On the other hand, I'm not sure we need detailed records of every condition a person has.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the narrative has changed (again) that medical history isn't important in selecting a candidate, then financial history should be an issue either.
It really isn't any of our business, is it?

You need to be reasonably sure the person you're hiring isn't financially compromised. I don't agree with full financial transparency, but some does need to come out. Hillary has done too much in that regard, Trump hasn't done enough.

Just as you need to be reasonably sure the person can physically and mentally do the job of President, you don't really need to know much beyond that.

There is a saying in literary circles where, "reality is stranger than fiction".

That is, if you wrote a story, with this as the script, it would sound fabricated.

It would not ring true...not be "believable. Yet, here we are.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Also, the story evolved from overheating and "fine," to pneumonia and "out for several days sick.

Which contradicts the fake Hillary goose stepping out of Chelsea's apt and cackling in a fake NY accent.

Well, I'll be darned ... it turns out Mr. Trump has more class, at least on this issue, than 99% of his followers:

“The coughing fit was a week ago, so I assume that was pneumonia also ― I would think it would have been ― so, something’s going on. But I hope she gets well, gets back on the trail and we’ll see her at the debate,” Trump said in a Monday interview on Fox News. In a separate interview on CNBC on Monday, Trump called news of Clinton’s illness “quite sad” and said he did not revel in it. “I don’t take satisfaction. ... I hope she gets well and I hope she gets well soon. But, you know, it was ― it was quite sad, to be honest with you,” he said. “I hope she gets well soon. No satisfaction, believe me, whatsoever.”

Donald Trump Wishes Hillary Clinton a Quick Recovery

That sounds a lot more like the gruff, over-the-top guy I used to watch on TV. Good to know he's not completely gone.

a reply to: FlyingFox

The effects of rehydration can be pretty profound ... indeed.

I just saw this video, and this doctor says he doesn't think the campaign is being honest at all.

Jasser has lately become the right’s go-to guy when it comes to providing cover for policies or positions that many Muslim Americans contend are discriminatory. When controversy over the so-called Ground Zero mosque erupted, Jasser, a frequent guest on Fox News, accused the builders of trying to ‘diminish what happened’ on September 11, 2001. He has supported statewide bans on Shariah law in American courts and has helped bolster conservative warnings that American Muslims seek to replace the Constitution with a harsh interpretation of Islamic law. Many American Muslim groups, meanwhile, view Jasser as a reliable apologist for Republicans and anti-Muslim figures—one with little grassroots support in the American Muslim community.”

Wikipedia - Zuhdi Jasser

originally posted by: babybunnies
Clinton had already been to the doctor on Friday, who had told her to rest. There was no need for her to go to the ER when she was so close to the home of a family member.

The ER is also not a secure area for the Secret Service.

Chelsea's apartment was nearby, was secure, and it was easy to have a doctor there to treat her in this environment.

Pneumonia was NOT the reason she collapsed.

How do people believe this would cause head bobbing and fainting? I've heard several doctors today said she has an underlying condition that is responsible for this.

Google "effects of dehydration."

You will find that common causes are fever, heat exposure and exhaustion.

You will find that the effects include fainting, weakness, dizziness and confusion.

Do it and see for yourself.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You think she was sweating profusely?

You think she was urinating frequently during the event?

Was she losing blood?

What exactly would cause her to become dehydrated? She wasn't doing exercise.

This wasn't dehydration, I watch the video zoomed, it was a type of seizure.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Here, discredit this one also

The reality is her not going to a hospital says volumes. Let's say this happened to Trump they would have rushed him immediately to a hospital. He would have been checked by doctors and they would eventually tell you what happened as thr press camped out at the hospital. In fact anyone who just suddenly collapses in public there going to an ER. Since this didn't happen that means they all ready knew what was wrong and it wasn't pneumonia. Because even if someone collapsed from that you want to go immediately to a hospital because breathing problems could lead to lack of oxygen and brain damage. If you want to claim she collapsed because of the heat and dehydration that can cause a heart attack and fluids need to be given immediately. No matter how you look at it she must have had this happen before and the diagnosis must have been known.