Is there a Gender Pay Gap issue in the West?

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

Well there is a pay gap.

Women work an average of 7.5 hours a day and men work an average of 8.5.

If there wasn't a pay gap, we'd have a problem.

Source

a reply to: dawnstar

Yes, that is you. Of course there are all kinds of people but I'm speaking of generalities here.

while men aren't that concerned about their clothing, what about tools?

Tools often last for decades. Clothes do not.

I know for a fact that if you compared the average size of your women's clothing store to the average size of a sporting goods store, there is no comparison! same when it comes to something like the home depot compared to a store that would be geared towards the tools women usually use.

And how many sporting good stores are there in comparison to clothing stores?

home depot compared to a store that would be geared towards the tools women usually use. both in size and cost.

And how many tools do women usually use? It's a quintessential guy thing to have tools and use them, guys fix things.

Talking about all these specifics doesn't really matter, it doesn't change the fact that women are bigger consumers than men.

originally posted by: DeadFoot

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

Well there is a pay gap.

Women work an average of 7.5 hours a day and men work an average of 8.5.

If there wasn't a pay gap, we'd have a problem.

Source

touche'

originally posted by: DeadFoot

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

Well there is a pay gap.

Women work an average of 7.5 hours a day and men work an average of 8.5.

If there wasn't a pay gap, we'd have a problem.

Source

Wanna try that source link again?

Or is it me?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: DeadFoot

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

Well there is a pay gap.

Women work an average of 7.5 hours a day and men work an average of 8.5.

If there wasn't a pay gap, we'd have a problem.

Source

touche'

You read the source?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

My bet is you are a man.

There is no pay gap when you control for all the variables associated with income like education, hours worked, time off, negotiation, etc. My being a man has nothing to do with these FACTS.

If businesses could hire women to do the same exact job as men and get the same productivity, men would be unemployable because companies would only hire women.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

My bet is you are a man.

There is no pay gap when you control for all the variables associated with income like education, hours worked, time off, negotiation, etc. My being a man has nothing to do with these FACTS.

If businesses could hire women to do the same exact job as men and get the same productivity, men would be unemployable because companies would only hire women.

Not denying you are a man, are you?

a reply to: Dark Ghost

No but it's ironic that the first female presidential candidate fights for equal pay for women, yet pays women on her staff 70¢ on the dollar that she pays men.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

My bet is you are a man.

There is no pay gap when you control for all the variables associated with income like education, hours worked, time off, negotiation, etc. My being a man has nothing to do with these FACTS.

If businesses could hire women to do the same exact job as men and get the same productivity, men would be unemployable because companies would only hire women.

Not denying you are a man, are you?

I'm not denying I am a man and you aren't countering with relevant facts and logic either.

Again, if a business can pay women less for the same job, why do they hire men?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Misterlondon

, and those positions are mostly filled by men..

Why?
Preferential hiring practices?

Hard labor. Same reason men aren't usually secretaries. Women are better organizers, men are better at swinging heavy tools like hammers and axes.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Misterlondon

, and those positions are mostly filled by men..

Why?
Preferential hiring practices?

Hard labor. Same reason men aren't usually secretaries. Women are better organizers, men are better at swinging heavy tools like hammers and axes.

My daughter drives one of those humongous trucks in a gold mine.

It took 5 years proving herself against men, before her pay scale increased.

And then there's the harassment. That improved slightly after a lawsuit.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated
It is truly amazing that people still believe this tripe about their being a pay gap.

My bet is you are a man.

There is no pay gap when you control for all the variables associated with income like education, hours worked, time off, negotiation, etc. My being a man has nothing to do with these FACTS.

If businesses could hire women to do the same exact job as men and get the same productivity, men would be unemployable because companies would only hire women.

Not denying you are a man, are you?

I'm not denying I am a man and you aren't countering with relevant facts and logic either.

Again, if a business can pay women less for the same job, why do they hire men?

I could counter with real life experience.

But, I've been on ATS long enough to know its male dominated.

Any thread about women has pretty much the same results.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Kester

I often use a computer.
Haven't used a shovel (at work) in a very long time.

Me too. I went from the oilfield and swinging a sledge hammer everyday to a computer job and took a helluva pay cut.

a reply to: Annee

Working link

originally posted by: DeadFoot
a reply to: Annee

Working link

That is an interesting chart.

originally posted by: DeadFoot
a reply to: Annee

Working link

Thank you.

I really do try to read linked material.

a reply to: Annee

I know; I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you .

Thanks for pointing it out.

originally posted by: DeadFoot
a reply to: Annee

I know; I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you

.

Thanks for pointing it out.

No, didn't think you were.

So, legitimate graph - - and current 2014.

IMO - - I don't really think it reflects on wage gap though.

There are other factors, such as: Men are asked to stay later by their boss.

In my real life experience, a boss tends to send women home to their families - - but, asks men to stay late.

I've had that real life experience of working with women who ask to stay later (because they want the money), but being denied by their boss. Some men still feel the need to be protective of women and think they need to be home with their family.

Society/Culture is still a factor.

a reply to: dawnstar

You're looking at this wrong, although on-topic with this post.

What a mother does in the home if she chooses that over work (or in conjunction with) cannot be measured in monetary compensation, although some people have tried. Like I mentioned before, my wife is a SAHM who homeschools our 13-year-old (just turned that today), is going to school (to become a special-ed teacher, motivated by the difficult time our son with Asperger's has had when we've tried the public school system), raising a 2.75-year-old at the same time, AND tries to keep our house in order on top of all of that.

In order for this to happen, I HAVE to work a full-time job, sometimes come in early and stay late (only compensated for doing so with "comp time," not overtime pay), sometimes work on holidays, and still come home and help with (or be the only one to do) household chores, bathing the toddler, cooking dinner from time-to-time, AND be the handyman to our money pit of a house, which takes up most of my weekends and sometimes evenings as well.

The point is that both sexes in a family do a lot more than JUST work 8a-5p, or JUST raise kids, or do both, or whatever combination of available options. But, pretending that advancement in a career should trump that which is gained by a mother (and, often times, a father) spending more time at home with their children than running around in corporate America is just plain silly, if not demeaning and disrespectful to those who choose to do so. I have discussed this pay gap with many mothers over the last few years--to include adoptive mothers--and I don't recall a single one of them saying that they regret not devoting their lives to a career over that of their children (at least not in any way that makes them wish they could go back and do it differently).

Like I've said in this thread already, this pay-gap "problem" is an issue that is only used by those who want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Planned Parenthood has little-to-nothing to do with this discussion.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Like I've said in this thread already, this pay-gap "problem" is an issue that is only used by those who want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

or those who've run into it firsthand and seen the negative effects of it on themselves and their own families..
like...me!