Putin's Warning / Missile Defense Systems Active

I mentioned this earlier, so just thought I'd add:

Russia’s Investigative Committee has launched criminal cases against Ukrainian Defense Ministry and General Staff officials over the genocide of Russian-speakers in the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic.

Russian investigators reported that they are in possession of evidence showing that, between January and August of 2016, the abovementioned Ukrainian officials issued orders to their subordinates in the military and national guard directing them to use heavy weapons to destroy civilian infrastructure in the Donetsk republic and “completely or partially eliminate the ethnic group of Russian-speaking people, including minors.” At least 9 people were killed and 110 more were wounded as a result, including 9 children. The Ukrainian military also destroyed civilian infrastructure and at least 279 residential buildings.

www.rt.com...

Additionally, Russia didn't actually "take" Crimea, as the majority of those living there actually voted to stay with Russia:

A referendum on the status of Crimea was held on March 16, 2014, by the legislature of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea as well as by the local government of Sevastopol, both subdivisions of Ukraine. The referendum asked the people of Crimea whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine. The referendum occurred five days after the Crimean government announced the Declaration of Independence of the Republic of Crimea, which followed a parliamentary vote in which 78 out of 100 of Crimea's parliamentarians voted in favour of Crimea seceding from Ukraine.[3]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Global research...really?

Couldn't find an actual credible source?

Global research is nothing more than a parrot to Russian media...you really need to do better than that.

And you seem to dosmiss the fact that Russia announced exactly what would happen months before any protests staryed as though it was planned...I posted the link in my earlier post...but keep thinking you know.

As for the nazi comment...debunked when it first got tossed out there.

Russia has more nazi's in there government then Germany did in 1940.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Oh did you forget about this...

www.forbes.com... oted-for-annexation/#235ba7c310ff

Or did you dismiss what the man who was there said...how about the Tatars?

And did the Crimeans get the choice to stay with Ukraine on those ballots...no they didn't they had only one choice...be part of Russia.

mobile.nytimes.com...

I guess you forgot about that.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Russia knew what was gonna happen because they had intelligence of US activities and funding of subversive groups.

Yes, global research. Instead of attacking the messenger maybe you should attack the message.

In this case the words of Obama himself.

Says the parrot extraordinaire. Be more of a shill, I hope you get paid, if you don't you ought to because you're like a bulldog defending the US on all threads related to Russia. If this is just a hobby for you I have to tell you it seems like an unhealthy obsession to have.

Beware new members. Question the people that seem to spend their whole lives defending specific issues on conspiracy forums.

Yeah, and the whole US military apparatus was swarming with paperclip Nazis. And that's the official version, what they won't tell us would blow the minds of the public. You know nothing of Nazis or what they were up to.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Still avoiding the obvious questions we've posed to you, I see.

If you have no intention of addressing the direct questions and criticisms many of us here have posed to you, you should know you'll be digging yourself further in your own hole by continuing to post in this thread.

Let's try this again - this time try not to act like a fish caught out of water:

Do you believe that the annexation of Crimea had nothing to do with Putin wanting to secure his borders, as well as the Black Sea?

If not, why did Putin annex Crimea?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Oh did you forget about this...

www.forbes.com... oted-for-annexation/#235ba7c310ff

Or did you dismiss what the man who was there said...how about the Tatars?

And did the Crimeans get the choice to stay with Ukraine on those ballots...no they didn't they had only one choice...be part of Russia.

mobile.nytimes.com...

I guess you forgot about that.

Your Forbes link has been 404'd

And in regards to the New York Times, when have they ever said anything positive about Russia? I could use your argument there and avoid addressing what's in the article, instead just bashing the source, which isn't very productive of course.

To be honest, if the question of 'stay part of Ukraine and join the EU' had been in there, the citizens of Crimea, fully aware by the shelling falling on their heads (ordered by Kiev and western backed cash) and of the burning alive of Russian speaking Ukranians in Odessa, I doubt there would have been many votes cast on it. Your argument is flimsy at best.

Let's not forget that Russia is the biggest excuse used by the warmongers of the west, the idea of 'Russia as evil' is needed in order to get away with the p*ssing away of billions on the military budget every year. Not just by the U.S., but the U.K. also.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

When you send armed military units into another country without permission and then hold that territory, all before any vote are cast, its an invasion and illegal occupation. The only people who seemed confused on this are Putin and the 5 other countries who recognized Crimea's illegal annexation.

Elections held at gun point dont even come close to international standards. Ironically enough his position on Crimea runs completely counter to his position on Chechnya. So its ok for Crimea to declare independence yet if Chechnya does its gets invaded - twice - by Putin and placed under Russian occupation? This is why when he opens his mouth all that comes out is bs.


Putin created the situation he finds himself in and he is the only one who actively talks about using nuclear weapons. I would guess that is because in a conventional war Russia would get its ass kicked. The US is not going to attack Russia and Russia will not attack the US unless he really feels the need to be at war with 27 other countries.

Putin is incapable of operating in a post Soviet world. He is stuck in the 1980s cold war soviet union saga and that is going to be his downfall. The question is will it be just Putin or will he drag Russia down with him.


Finally I find it rich that Putin would lecture foreign media on their reporting when Russian media has become the propaganda arm of the Kremlin. Yet another example of how Putin creates his own problems, only to blame someone else.

He and Hillary Clinton are 2 peas in a pod.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

When you send armed military units into another country without permission and then hold that territory, all before any vote are cast, its an invasion and illegal occupation. The only people who seemed confused on this are Putin and the 5 other countries who recognized Crimea's illegal annexation.

Elections held at gun point dont even come close to international standards. Ironically enough his position on Crimea runs completely counter to his position on Chechnya. So its ok for Crimea to declare independence yet if Chechnya does its gets invaded - twice - by Putin and placed under Russian occupation? This is why when he opens his mouth all that comes out is bs.


Putin created the situation he finds himself in and he is the only one who actively talks about using nuclear weapons. I would guess that is because in a conventional war Russia would get its ass kicked. The US is not going to attack Russia and Russia will not attack the US unless he really feels the need to be at war with 27 other countries.

Putin is incapable of operating in a post Soviet world. He is stuck in the 1980s cold war soviet union saga and that is going to be his downfall. The question is will it be just Putin or will he drag Russia down with him.


Finally I find it rich that Putin would lecture foreign media on their reporting when Russian media has become the propaganda arm of the Kremlin. Yet another example of how Putin creates his own problems, only to blame someone else.

He and Hillary Clinton are 2 peas in a pod.

Let's re-word that. When you send CIA and billions in cash to buy corrupt politicians and meddle in many other countries affairs, causing grief, pain and loss of civilian lives, not even to mention sending troops illegally to obliterate certain countries and install puppet governments, it's known as "doing the world a favor by spreading democratic values".

Criticism of Russia by US and the likes of yourself over Crimea, runs completely counter to your position on Kosovo, but, its ok to be hypocritic when it serves a higher purpose of spreading democracy, right?

If Russia is invaded, by nukes, conventionaly, by US or any of their 27 friends, make no mistake, whoever invades will meet their demise and get their Ass handed to them as history has proven over and over. There is a saying which is historically correct - every 100 years or so, europe puts aside their differences and gathers together to get their ass collectively handed to them by Russia.

When was the last time you saw independent media in US. You don't constitute NY times, CNN or Fox news as propaganda? They report news purely and without describing events in a certain way to sway the public opinion? Without adding their own commentary and opinnions? Without cutting people off live if what they are saying doesn't fit the official frame? (Russian media, unlike US mostly report pure news). So don't make me laugh.

...and Hillary talks while putin acts. They are nothing alike.

a reply to: Velatropa24

Lets not even though you proved my point.

well john titor said russia took out usa, europe and china

originally posted by: suvorov
well john titor said russia took out usa, europe and china

and Putin claimed Moscow has never been captured / Russia has never been conquered and that wasn't true either.

a reply to: Velatropa24

If Russia is invaded, by nukes, conventionaly, by US or any of their 27 friends, make no mistake, whoever invades will meet their demise and get their Ass handed to them as history has proven over and over. There is a saying which is historically correct - every 100 years or so, europe puts aside their differences and gathers together to get their ass collectively handed to them by Russia.

What a load of nonesense, Russia has had it's arse collectively handed to them plenty of times all the way to the Urals. England historically never really beat the Welsh you know why? Because you cannot fight an army that is hiding. Now if you think Russia stands a good chance of pulling it's forces if a conventional or unconventional war was to happen, you clearly don't understand warfare. Modern warfare.

Others have stated that Russia (along with N Korea) is the only nation that's threatened the use of nukes, Russia's air force, most of it's navy and a damn good portion of it's ground forces are old, decrepit and dare I say it obsolete. Now Russia is working hard to correct this I cannot take your "Russia would kick ass" statement serious though. Not when Russia is catching up to military capabilities we in the west were testing 30+ years ago.

Now don't get me wrong, the West have been no angels... We've toppled nations recently in history. The will of the people has stopped the West before (Syria) can you say the same for Russia? Whom quite clearly doesn't spin propaganda or arrest or kill journalists?

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Velatropa24

If Russia is invaded, by nukes, conventionaly, by US or any of their 27 friends, make no mistake, whoever invades will meet their demise and get their Ass handed to them as history has proven over and over. There is a saying which is historically correct - every 100 years or so, europe puts aside their differences and gathers together to get their ass collectively handed to them by Russia.

What a load of nonesense, Russia has had it's arse collectively handed to them plenty of times all the way to the Urals. England historically never really beat the Welsh you know why? Because you cannot fight an army that is hiding. Now if you think Russia stands a good chance of pulling it's forces if a conventional or unconventional war was to happen, you clearly don't understand warfare. Modern warfare.

Others have stated that Russia (along with N Korea) is the only nation that's threatened the use of nukes, Russia's air force, most of it's navy and a damn good portion of it's ground forces are old, decrepit and dare I say it obsolete. Now Russia is working hard to correct this I cannot take your "Russia would kick ass" statement serious though. Not when Russia is catching up to military capabilities we in the west were testing 30+ years ago.

Now don't get me wrong, the West have been no angels... We've toppled nations recently in history. The will of the people has stopped the West before (Syria) can you say the same for Russia? Whom quite clearly doesn't spin propaganda or arrest or kill journalists?

I am not interested in destroying your beliefs, lets just say that based on the knowledge I have, I disagree with you and leave it at that.

a reply to: Velatropa24

I am not interested in destroying your beliefs, lets just say that based on the knowledge I have, I disagree with you and leave it at that.

I don't think you could destroy any beliefs I have on military, media or national sovereignty. Every nation has an agenda concerning such issues and I try not to kid myself.

I know the devastation that would ensue if a Russia/NATO conflict happened even if it was strictly non-nuclear. Nobody can deny Eastern Europe are getting worried, particularly the Baltic states. Now this can be spun as the old story of NATO encroaching Russia or it could be spun as Russia threatening the stability of sovereign nations, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JAY1980

The propaganda machine is geared to keep us focused on our circus election. We are kept under the illusion there are differences in the two sides.

Also kind of sad that we are conditioned to be used to being at war all the time.

Took the words right out of my mouth. The MSM is keeping us focused on this election, or should I say more so focused on all the little quips made by trump, and Hilary's emails and such.
Sometimes I believe theirs someone in a (evil ominous looking) media control room with their finger on buttons that when pushed release trump &/or Hillary talking points whenever theirs breaking geopolitical events.

a reply to: Matt11

It's either that, or sadly but less sinister, the people don't want to hear geopolitical. On side you weigh conspiracy, the other social apathy. I'm not sure which, probably some sort of mixture. My generation is going to need to wake up and quick though, the no accountability for our government will have dire consequences.

Hell, usually I equate the election to a job interview for CEO of a very important company. Sadly that small aspect makes people take it more serious and confused at why you have two S*** applicants. And businesses tend to be more strict, hold better accountability. That being said our banks almost tanked the world markets in 08', and I'm sure everyone here knows it wasn't fixed. So if that's what happens when something that's working slips, imagine our runaway train of government.

a reply to: facedye

He is a lot like Nebraska Football, they think they are still relevant. Or at least try to be.

Sorry Russia, no matter how hard you try, the old soviet days are never coming back. You may decided to spend a few more billion towards your defense spending, but you will never have the capabilities and expertise like the West does.

I do not fault Putin. He is a strong leader and wants his country to feel pride again. Good for him. I would be doing the same if I were in his position.

a reply to: RAY1990

My question is what country wants to invade Russia? The only country going down that road is Russia itself. The days of territorial expansion by conquering is over with and Putin cant seem to grasp that concept.

NATO is a defensive alliance and article 5 only applies if a NATO member is attacked. A fact pro russians dont seem to understand.

Putin is doing a superb job of destroying Russia all on his own. He doesn't need outside assistance to finish the job. Another fact pro russians cant grasp.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Putin created the situation he finds himself in and he is the only one who actively talks about using nuclear weapons. I would guess that is because in a conventional war Russia would get its ass kicked.

The amount of times we've had this debate. You have your stance, which is not from a global unity point of view, and I have mine. And your words aren't entirely true as Theresa May (that's the PM of the U.K. (if you could pull yourself away from the 'I love America' book, just for a second), threatened to use nukes a couple of weeks ago.

Furthermore, are you so ignorant that you forget who began the nuclear arms race? The book you're reading should give you the answer.

My question is what country wants to invade Russia? The only country going down that road is Russia itself.

Crazy, look at those bases

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Her threat came after Putin's continued statements on using nukes so nice try there.

Global unity and a one world government are not the same. While I dont object to the US and Russia working together I have no desire to live under a Russian controlled system and using history as a guide, including Putin's tenure as Emperor, its a legitimate position.

The nuclear arms race was started by NAZI Germany and won by the United States. Then the Soviet Union used spies to steal said technology for their own programs and off we went. Trying to lay the sole blame on the US actually exposes your ignorance with regards to history.

The ignorant map aside, Russia and the US actually share a border and we have had Russian troops present for a long time close to the US. They just announced a troop increase in the northeast region of the soviet.. errr Russia, 50 miles from the US.


Putin is a threat, unstable and cannot exist in the modern world. His brain would fritz out, which is why he lives in the fantasy of the 1980's. He claims he wants respect yet he has done nothing to earn that respect. Using military force will not earn it for him either.

Putins problem is he thinks of himself as Russia and takes his perceived lack of respect as a personal affront. He has stated hes not sure if he will run for President in the next election cycle and I hope beyond Hope that Russians get a leader that represents them and puts them first instead of what Putin has done. The Russian people have suffered for way to long.