Shanksville pics..?

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: AsherLewin11
a reply to: neutronflux

Funny stuff no one believes in retrospect it is more silly then when first released. Feel sorry for resident official story defenders have to defend such ridiculous information and theories

Point is a boeing 757 could not have crashed in shanksville due to the very small crater 15-25 feet when the planes fuselage alone is 14 feet and the wings are 124. No evidence of wing impacts or fuel fire and considering the ground was soft and the grass was dry flight 93 did not crash in shanksville on 911

Not only that, but the ACARS data showed the airplane used as Flight 93 that day was still airborne somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in that field in PA.

A magnificent deception.

The above false claim about ACARS has it's origins when truthers reviewed the ACARS data and misidentified the signals sent to the plane as signals from the plane. RADAR alone proves where all the planes were on 911.

a reply to: RKWWWW

Sorry it seems you have to repeat facts over and over again to persons of the movement, but that is in addition to other flights visual verifying flight 93's position upon loss of the transponder signal.

Sorry to interject........ Not you, but others like to lose sight of certain facts.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RKWWWW

Sorry it seems you have to repeat facts over and over again to persons of the movement, but that is in addition to other flights visual verifying flight 93's position upon loss of the transponder signal.

Sorry to interject........ Not you, but others like to lose sight of certain facts.

If you are going to have a discussion with truthers, it certainly helps to have had experience playing the game of Whack-A-Mole.

a reply to: RKWWWW

I am sure this is not true of everyone? There are
those that can cut through the BS?

That's the most discouraging aspect, you have to truth check the truth movement. You would think they would strive to be the most informed, transparent, and openly honest of groups. But they seem to use slight of hand to push their narratives? I think there are many unanswered questions surrounding 9/11, but how do you get to the truth of how the government failed on false allegations?

This is an example, this thread has mostly been civil.

To weigh the evidence and conclude flight 93 crashed at Shanksville to be called a government agent?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

And yet SOMEHOW there was paper flying everywhere around the twin towers while metal file cabinets vaporized.

I'm pretty sure I've asked you this before, but of the thousands of file cabinets ( 20,000 being a modest guess ) how many were recovered? How many fragments? Even a handle perhaps?

So you think you will find intact file cabinets .....? Inside the churning maelstrom of debris as the towers fell, some of it
over thousand feet...??

The tremendous forces as the building debris was banged together as it fell replicated a rod or ball mill which are
used to crush rocks to extract ore

Very few things over 1 foot survived from inside those buildings What they did find were the KEYS TO ALL THOSE
FILE CABINETS. Thousands of keys, being small were able to survive the crushing of the debris

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

And yet SOMEHOW there was paper flying everywhere around the twin towers while metal file cabinets vaporized.

I'm pretty sure I've asked you this before, but of the thousands of file cabinets ( 20,000 being a modest guess ) how many were recovered? How many fragments? Even a handle perhaps?

So you think you will find intact file cabinets .....? Inside the churning maelstrom of debris as the towers fell, some of it
over thousand feet...??

The tremendous forces as the building debris was banged together as it fell replicated a rod or ball mill which are
used to crush rocks to extract ore

Very few things over 1 foot survived from inside those buildings What they did find were the KEYS TO ALL THOSE
FILE CABINETS. Thousands of keys, being small were able to survive the crushing of the debris

Any proof?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Do YOU have any proof any metal was vaporized

Do YOU even know what vaporized means.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Do YOU have any proof any metal was vaporized

Do YOU even know what vaporized means.

actually the debunkers used the word atomized. SO wings passengers vertical stabilizer thousands of gallons of fuel seats miles of wire carpet utensils all atomized but the terrorist passport headband box cutters survived I think one debunker claimed the found hand duct taped together. SILLY bunkers.

The box cutters have been debunked as the only mention of box cutters was from the proven false call from Barbara Olsen. And the first casualty was Mr Daniel Lewin ex Sayret matkaal israeli terrorist force and he was shot.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Do YOU have any proof any metal was vaporized

Do YOU even know what vaporized means.

Here we go again. Vaporized, atomized, molecularly disassociated, whatever you wanna call it- they're GONE. And that doesn't happen from fire or from buildings collapsing on top of them.

Once again, the debunkers pull the same sh1t of trying to overcomplicate something that's pretty simple.... Tens of thousands of file cabinets disappeared. Period.

a reply to: AsherLewin11

One debunker used the word atomized, me? That was not understanding the ground was soft, and the wreckage pushed into the ground. But I have posted the P4 and P51 video that shows the total destruction of a solid and high speed impact of aircraft.

One, I used the term atomized in the context of the P4 video to explain what I later found find out was a false narrative presented by conspiraciests. The false claim of no identifiable wreckage at the crater. I will not ever trust a conspiraciest again.

Two, I was wrong that flight 93 was total destroyed beyond identifiable wreckage. If you would have done your research, you could have called me out on all the recognizable wreckage that was recovered. But you will not for the fact that it identified the crash site of Flight 93 and proves your narrative false.

Three, burning, vaporized, and atomized are three different processes.

Four, the front of the plane was one of the components that first buried on impact. Hard to burn if there is no oxygen supply and buried before being exposed to fuel. Where were the terrorists located, the cockpit?

Five, fuel is highly volatile liquid chemical needing little energy to cause evaporation or create a gas cloud. Can easily see how the impact created a large burning gas cloud above ground. You need to prove it was more than a flash fire and impacted anything of mass with little surface area. I think some things on passenger planes are flame resistant?


Six, things you will not / cannot explain away:

Quotes of people out of context.

Statements and evidence prove wide spread fire damage at crash site.

If the crater was not caused by flight 93, how was there the right parts and DNA at the crash site. All engines of flight 93 recovered.

How the flight recorders of flight 93 ended up buried 15 and 25 feet in the ground.

Flight 93's location was visually verified upon the loss of the transponder signal and continually tracked to the point of crashing.

The wide debris field of Flight 93 from the trees to the piece of fuselage with windows in the lake.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Just FYI. 14 knives including a box cutter were recovered from the Flight 93 crash site.

a reply to: AsherLewin11

The passport at the twin towers was not the only document found some passenger documents were found but the truther sites DON'T mention that.

As for the towers claims of steel being vaporized are often made by truthers because they DON'T know all the materials in the towers that made vast quantities of dust.

a reply to: RKWWWW

Radar is and was easily spoofed. The ACARS data came from the discovery process in the Moussaoui trial, and it is accurate.


Embarrassing and fatal to the government story, but accurate. Considering that there was no Boeing to be seen at Shanksville, and that at least one FBI agent tried to suborn perjury from Ms. McIlwain regarding what type airplane she actually saw, it makes perfect sense that UA93 was somewhere other than Shanksville.

It is really maddening to have arguments
about all the anamolies of Sept 11 still .

How is it a father looses his Son in a blast
in the basement of 2WTC seconds BEFORE the
first plane crashed ? How does spent Kerosene
carpet and computers burn in an under
ground steel melting furnace
MONTHS after a "Pancake" collapse?
A PANCAKE COLLAPSE ! Where is the energy
to accomplish this ?

Why is the new 7WTC built with almost the exact
design as the towers if it was so precarious ?

Finally come on ... When does a building that is
500,000 tons get taken out by a 200 ton plane ?
If you are 200 lbs can you knock over an opponent
that is 500,000 pounds ? Really think about that one.
And then when you do this amazing feat, would
the head of the 1000 foot tall 500,000 pound foe
then fall off and destroy its way through its body ?

Seriously fighting belief systems of those who allegedly
believe in science except on 9/11 is EXHAUSTING .

a reply to: wmd_2008

The data gathered by the DELTA Group and its air monitoring equipment showed micro spheres of iron in the air, more than a week later. The only way that can happen is to have boiling iron in the air nearby.

Boiling iron might be approaching "vaporized".


For the layman blessed with common sense, he knows that whatever actually happened at WTC, the buildings were not brought down, and the damage observed and photographed, are IMPOSSIBLE to have been caused by office fires burning on 8 of the upper floors.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: RKWWWW

Radar is and was easily spoofed. The ACARS data came from the discovery process in the Moussaoui trial, and it is accurate.


Embarrassing and fatal to the government story, but accurate. Considering that there was no Boeing to be seen at Shanksville, and that at least one FBI agent tried to suborn perjury from Ms. McIlwain regarding what type airplane she actually saw, it makes perfect sense that UA93 was somewhere other than Shanksville.

What would have caused the radar to "spoofed" after visual contact of flight 93 and position verified? On a clear day?

Where did flight 93 go? And the passengers?

Yes, there were the correct parts, DNA, and flight recorders at the crash site. The wreckage was identifiable.

How did the correct parts, DNA, flight recorders, and large debris field end up at Shanksville?

a reply to: Salander

Like the by products of welding? From every weld in the city and the WTC the contaminated the whole area before 9/11 ever happen.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

Like the by products of welding? From every weld in the city and the WTC the contaminated the whole area before 9/11 ever happen.

Probably the occasional bit of metal bouncing off each other as a few buildings collapsed too

a reply to: Salander

What makes Susan McElwain a credible witness? Was she knowable about different types of passenger jets? What in the sky gave her sense of proportion. How close was she to the flight path. A quarter mile or five miles?

The physical evidence does not support her claims.

Why was Susan McElwain accounts not in accordance with others or the physical evidence?

How many workers were part of recovering flight 93 wreckage?

A boeing 757 could not have made such a small hole.


No evidence of wings, vertical stabilizer, fuel, fire or large plane. No flight 93 crash in Shanksville on 911