Mexico WILL let me build my wall, Trump boasts

a reply to: andy06shake

I wonder If Trump construction will build it?

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Why taxes and fees of course. $20 for a one time entry for a Mexican citizen. Discounted rates for frequent border crossers.

Export taxes on products going to Mexico. Fees on money transfers to Mexico. There's ways of getting Mexico to pay for the wall.

And strict enforcement of the Social Security Number Verification program. Suddenly having thousands of illegals returning to Mexico because they cannot get work in the US would be a Mexican nightmare from the social disruption and the loss of the money a lot of them send back to family in Mexico.

It really wouldn't take much to blackmail Mexico into paying for it.

a reply to: ntech

And strict enforcement of the Social Security Number Verification program. Suddenly having thousands of illegals returning to Mexico because they cannot get work in the US would be a Mexican nightmare from the social disruption and the loss of the money a lot of them send back to family in Mexico.

What? There will be no change in the economic system that values cheap labor. The Republicans don't even want to raise the minimum wage. Who wants to work for that? Illegal aliens...that's who.

Nothing will be done about cheap labor as long as the corporations call the shots. Trump knows this, he is just playing his supporters for fools with "feel good" BS.

There will be no wall....Mexico won't pay for it and neither will the American taxpayers.

You really think it took Trump to make Mexico acknowledge that US can do what it wants along it's borders?

Mexico didn't agree to build the wall and pay for it themselves, they said America can do what it wants, we can, it's our boarder. The question is should we? I personal don't like the idea of being walled in by a government with mass surveillance capabilities and incompetent minds.

Wow, scary wall is scary. lol!


I like the submarine idea tho. But we have depth charges waiting for them. And mines. And torpedoes.

WTF?! Trump will militarize the coast, like Israel and Japan. Cool.

Actually I'm surprised Mexico hasn't rounded up any hostages for ransom yet, obama will be leaving soon.

If we sink a couple subs smuggling illegals, would that be an act of war?


The wall would be useless if it's not protected and secured and that will be done.

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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

If we sink a couple subs smuggling illegals, would that be an act of war?

Why not just put people on the border and shoot anything that moves?

That'd work too.

Just like South Korea did in the movie I saw last nite. Train to Busan.

Or in real life, like the N/S border of Korea.

Mexico has NO say in anything we do to keep their people and others from entering our country.

Is building a wall an act of war?

a reply to: burgerbuddy

No but when people start getting shot on the other side it would be.

The amount of people who say they want to stand by the constitution and then agree with ideas is a bit worrisome.

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Why taxes and fees of course. $20 for a one time entry for a Mexican citizen. Discounted rates for frequent border crossers.

Export taxes on products going to Mexico. Fees on money transfers to Mexico. There's ways of getting Mexico to pay for the wall.

And strict enforcement of the Social Security Number Verification program. Suddenly having thousands of illegals returning to Mexico because they cannot get work in the US would be a Mexican nightmare from the social disruption and the loss of the money a lot of them send back to family in Mexico.

It really wouldn't take much to blackmail Mexico into paying for it.

Hell yeah.

Mexico is not holding ANY cards in this game.

One could look at it like Trump is doing mexico a favor by sending back people that have learned something to help their country.

Having paid attention this election cycle, the following can be stated:

When the GOP candidate first announced his intention to run, it was met with some interest and disbelief. I was under the belief that the man was doing such for the publicity and to get peoples attentions. But as things continued the rhetoric got worse and worse.

This trip to Mexico that was done was a disaster for all involved. The President of Mexico is lacking in the population and their confidence, he had an opportunity to show that he was a leader and could have dressed down the GOP candidate and done it in front of the world. But he did not do that.

Now here is the problem, the initial meeting was done behind closed doors, and that in itself is going to be an issue for the rest of the US election and possibly in the next presidential election in Mexico. It has become a case of he said/he said with both claiming something else. And the speech given in Mexico was a bit more toned back, and much softer, without being overly insulting, giving hope for those on both sides of the border, that perhaps with the GOP being elected that many of the issues, especially with the illegal immigrants, there would be some form of viable solution.

But when the GOP candidate got back into the USA the message fully changed again, and went back to the hard insulting rhetoric again, insulting and now it is going to be an issue that is going to be decided at the polls in both the presidential and the congressional elections, in November. And it is looking to heat up and get harder and rougher.

Do I believe that there will be a wall built, no. This has been talked about and discussed and ultimately died in congress when it came to the cost. And then there are the logistics of such, where the terrain is something that will make such to be very difficult to accomplish to the point where it would do very little.

And then there is the other small detail that people fail to take into account, and that is many of those who are coming here to break the law, the drugs and gangs, they are either going around the physical barriers, over it, or under it. And they already have established contacts and a network to guide and protect them from the very get go. Nor do I see Mexico paying for the wall. Oh they will try to siphon off things like from remissions, but that will only go, until those sending money back figure out how to bypass such, like sending the cash back, or using the banks and transferring such that way, where one can not just simply touch it.

a reply to: jburg6

a reply to: jburg6

If there is a trade deficit in favour f Mexico its pretty easy to make them pay for anything, even refugee camps for expelled illegals. Even if there were no trade deficit the amount of deposits from Mexicans on american banks is enough to make the Mexican elite force a government to make the people of Mexico pay for anything.

a reply to: CrapAsUsual

You realize a trade imbalance comes from legit business transactions, right? So you're basically advocating that the US Govt should steal money from the legit accounts of Mexican, American, and multinational banks, corporations, contractors, subsidiaries, and much more.

Of course, it's illegal for the US govt to do that, which would certainly bring international trade litigation against us (which would ultimately be paid for by US taxpayer dollars). And Mexico's govt could simply freeze accounts from American businesses & contractors in response. It would also hammer our country's international trade reputations, since Mexico is one of our 3 largest trade partners (along with China and Canada).

The answer to this all is hi-tech zany lazer domes. Not walls.
Pew, pew, pew!

originally posted by: Naturallywired
The answer to this all is hi-tech zany lazer domes. Not walls.
Pew, pew, pew!

The Hi-Tech Virtual Fence.

Homeland Security Cancels ‘Virtual Fence’ After $1 Billion Is Spent
By JULIA PRESTONJAN. 14, 2011

The Department of Homeland Security on Friday canceled a project to build a technology-based “virtual fence” across the Southwest border, saying that the effort — on which $1 billion has already been spent — was ineffective and too costly.

Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary, said she had decided to end the five-year-old project, known as SBI-Net, because it “does not meet current standards for viability and cost effectiveness.” In a statement, Ms. Napolitano said border agents would instead use less expensive technology that is already part of their surveillance equipment, tailoring it to the specific terrain where they will be scouting for illegal border crossers and drug traffickers.

Ms. Napolitano’s decision brought a long-expected close to a project carried out by the Boeing Corporation under a contract first signed in 2005 under President George W. Bush, which had been plagued by delays and cost overruns. Originally estimated to cost more than $7 billion to cover the 2,000-mile length of the border, it was the subject of more than a dozen scathing reports by the Government Accountability Office.

In a pilot program in Arizona, it cost about $1 billion to build the system across 53 miles of the state’s border. Officials said the new approach, using mobile surveillance systems and unmanned drones already in the Border Patrol’s arsenal, would cost less than $750 million to cover the remaining 323 miles of Arizona’s border.

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Wow, scary wall is scary. lol!

It's a neat little thing called foresight. Even if you like Trump, I wouldn't be so confident in the dismissal of powers ability to corrupt. If you were looking at this country objectively beyond this election and it's players, it's impossible to deny we've got a REALLY large and intrusive government. It won't take much to get us over that hump.

Also a wall? Seriously? Yeah it may have kept folk out a few hundred years ago but now? Most get in legally and many by plane.
It is going to be the biggest waste of money ever.
But trump will make billions.

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Unfortunately in politics, it's not about safety; it's about the illusion of safety.

It's the same reason why during the Cold War, kids in schools were instructed to crouch under their desks during a surprise nuclear attack. Obviously they would still be obliterated by a nuclear strike or die afterwards from radioactive fallout. But some people seem to need a false sense of security.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

It´s not illegal for a government to "steal" because governments make the law or have great influence on it. Usually its a tax or a penalty...

In this case, given the NAFTA deal the US would re negotiate it or just step out of it.

When a small country does this it gets burned because it is in a sense, disposable. When a huge country, specially a country the imports a lot the other deal partners are more than willing to negotiate, under any terms.

With Canada the relation isn´t on a basis of cheap labour, its a real balanced trading relation as with Europe because the wages and cost of living is somewhat similar. With China and Mexico the situation is different.

Trump is completely right, this is one of the last chances for the US to restore the control of the cart. And it has to be by means of trade and commerce because the alternative its war and misery.

If you are concerned about what Mexico can do to the US, I can tell you that we were all very concerned with the Iraqi military back in 1991, it was one of the largest in the world, Top5 at the time. Well it took 100 hours to beat.

Not to mention that the world currency is the USD so, only by means of very deep and widespread corruption the US could get into the situation it is in now.

Let Trump shake the house, if he turns a dictator even better, he will destroy the system and then someone will destroy him as usually happens.

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Walls work, obviously. if they didn´t your house would not have walls.

indy100.independent.co.uk...

The question is if there a beneficial cost benefit relation in building such a large wall?

Or would be better and cheaper to invade Mexico and throw all the criminals into a hole?

I don´t know if you people have seen the cartel killing videos but there is a very neat website called goregrish.com... . That site if for loonies and psychopaths, mainly, but you can use it with moderation and get a real insight on what is Mexico today and if is it worthy as a neighbour or even as a country.

Then let me know.