What the hell people. Are we really still accepting this Bull?

originally posted by: beeyotch If the masses would wake up Id like to see an independent, until they do Im voting Trump, SIMPLY BECAUSE HIS EXISTENCE OFFENDS IDIOTS.

+1000 I like what you wrote. I feel the same way about it.

a reply to: ChemicalAli

George H.W. Bush Bill Clinton George W. Bush Barack Obama 2016 : Hillary Clinton

Apparently these choices were the best America has had to offer over the subsequent years .....sounds believable

originally posted by: WanderingNomadd
a reply to: enlightenedservant
The constitution has become guidelines not law. It is ignored all day, everday.

We are slowly but surely (actually well on our way) evolving into a people run by the government rather than a government run by the people.

I no longer trust that in certain states our votes are even counted properly due to the electronic voting machines and how all the votes are sent to just a few tabulation machines that are easily biased with a simple drop down menu...

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

Well put, could'nt agree more. Unfortunately because their operations are so huge, and their personal wealth so vast, they would be in a good position for a siege. Every good businessman knows how and when to cut his loses aswell.

Yep. And what's worse is that they typically already have massive holdings in other countries, too. As of 2006, the Bush family had more than 290,000 acres in Paraguay and was developing it. I admittedly haven't kept up with it, so I have no clue if it's more or less now. Either way, the world's powerbrokers just need one plane trip to get away from any "revolution" that appears. Not to mention, every bank that's a part of the Federal Reserve system is guaranteed to get funds during a major run on the banks, which makes that tactic useless against those specific banking institutions.

The system has so much entrenched corruption and interest I imagine we could'nt even comprehend the levels. To quote a rapper: [People] talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. Immortal Technique, The Poverty of Philosophy.

I agree only if we're talking about individuals. Add a small amount of people into a corrupt system and they'll either be corrupted, shunned internally, or scapegoated. But if a large enough influx of new people can enter at the same time, I think this problem will be reduced or eliminated. Of course, that's just an untested theory though.

As someone who is awake though you must understand my view. The constitution has no real value anymore. The issues of Privacy and Speech are the best examples without entering the area of fair reasoning within speculation, such as Americans eventually losing their 2nd amendment rights by a thousand cuts.

Reluctantly, I agree. I admit, I'm trying to stay an idealist and pretend that people actually care about the rule of law including the Constitution. I know they don't, but I don't want to accept it because then I might end up resorting to their tactics to "win". But the violations that irk me the most are the constant violations of the 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments (as well as the 1st Amendment's part on "freedom of religion"). The 4th, 5th and 14th have been diminished just as much as the 2nd, through various rulings and procedures.

If the current constitution cannot protect your current rights, and is bypassed by things such as the patriot act, what hope is there for new additions? They would have even less acknowledgement in the long run. All my opinion Ofc but I think it is a valid outlook.

True. But I think this takes us back to a widespread internal change of people in elected and appointed positions. After all, the Constitution can't do anything on its own. The system still needs people to write new laws in the legislative branches, people to interpret them in the executive branches, and people in the judicial branch to decide if those laws are "constitutional" or not. And if "good" people don't run for those positions, only the "neutral" and "bad" ones will.

I've come to the conclusion that they don't want "normal" people to get in the system because they want to keep that power to themselves. They constantly promote the image that all forms of govts are incompetent or corrupt. But then they turn around and accept positions in those same govts! It seems like parents who warn their children that alcohol is bad, then go off and drink it while the kids are asleep. (I guess that gets the point across lol)

WanderingNomadd

I agree with the two party bull# line. And would like to add that I believe most people wouldn't even know what the platforms are for these two candidates...but they would know what has been tweeted about them in the last 24 hours.

Quite honestly, I am sooo tired of these two being pushed in my face that I would never vote for either of them..

Hillary's

Trump's

Just in case someone wants to know what promises will be broken once they get into office...

Thanks,
blend57

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

I feel the same exact way!!! More and more people are waking up to this fact which is still not enough but I do have hope that one day THE PEOPLE will take over and begin a new establishment.

Even after such a great worded logical thread you will find many will still take up for their "party" and totally lose sight of what you said. Don't be discouraged... just keep educating people. That is our best defense at the moment.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I totally agree. I am more of a solution dweller than I am a dweller of a problem. The solution is exactly what you mention imo.

We have to cut off their cashflow before we can consider anything else. But people love their corporate products & services, so I think that part's impossible.

This above is a great place to start. Think about this.... if everyone stayed home for five days and didnt purchase anything not even gas what would happen? We have to get to a place where we barter because the dollar is an illusion people have become slaves to.

Neither party wanted Trump from the beginning. The only way an outsider could possibly get elected is if they have a lot of money. If neither corrupt party like Trump, It is obviously that he is exactly the right one for the job.

You can have more of this



Or you can have this. And if Trump gets nothing done we are still headed in the opposite direction of total death and chaos.

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

You came to the wrong place. This is Trump central where all problems are blamed on the opposite party. No one here actually cares about solving problems. You also didn't mention Trump in your thread title therefore you will not be getting stars and flags. Not to worry though. Upon further research I found that approximately 50% of ATS are either homeless or live in a tent somewhere while they contribute absolutely nothing to society and complain about social services despite that people who live in tents don't pay any taxes anyways. You don't want attention from that riff raff.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
Neither party wanted Trump from the beginning. The only way an outsider could possibly get elected is if they have a lot of money. If neither corrupt party like Trump, It is obviously that he is exactly the right one for the job.

You can have more of this

Or you can have this. And if Trump gets nothing done we are still headed in the opposite direction of total death and chaos.

Neither party wants you to vote for Vermin Supreme either.

What really surprises me is the amount of people who truly believe Trump is an outsider , not a puppet, who can really get the us on a much better course. It's so absurd to see/hear people act like he is not a liar, not a politician, not a puppet.

It's all childs play and until we the people stop playing the bs games it will continue on to our demise.

originally posted by: MamaJ
What really surprises me is the amount of people who truly believe Trump is an outsider , not a puppet, who can really get the us on a much better course. It's so absurd to see/hear people act like he is not a liar, not a politician, not a puppet.

It's all childs play and until we the people stop playing the bs games it will continue on to our demise.

I'm curious? Who is Trump a puppet of? Provide some links to any actual evidence you have.

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert Kennedy

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. James Madison

These are brilliant quotes. Everyone should read them carefully, and think about them. Thanks for the strong and correct OP.
F/S

a reply to: Doctor Smith

If trump gets in that would just confirm doubts. You say he is an outsider but he is actually an insider, just not a political one, he is a corporate one.

Corporations, corporate businessmen and private banks are destroying America. He has been enjoying the same legal immunities and the same "privelleges" of determining how laws are written via donations and support. He isn't Anti-Estab he is trying to get more money for him and his buddies. He isn't going to attack the corporate takeover or the banks, and without doing that you won't "change" America. Unless he pulls a JFK in Which case I will mourn for him after the assassination.

Does Obama not ring a bell? He trashed Hillary all through his election then made her secretary of state and then endorsed her years later. They have whatever views, opinions and policies suit them at that given time. Smoke and Mirrors

Anyway as I am not privy to some kind of smoking gun in regards to trump I do the only thing you can in a world full of deception and lies. Follow the breadcrumbs. If your right and Trump is the answer, he will not get in. The lengths the DNC are going to keep Hillary looking like she is doing ALOT better than she actually is just proves it for me. You don't go to this much effort to protect your image just to get votes when everyone already knows the truth. You keep up the Image so that when you rig the election no one can complain. And ask the bernie supporters if you don't think they will get away with it.

Either Trumps with them, or he is'nt getting in. Thats my view. But your right; if you believe it isn't just a puppet show with flashing lights Trump or 3rd party would be the way to go.

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

If trump gets in that would just confirm doubts. You say he is an outsider but he is actually an insider, just not a political one, he is a corporate one.

With yuge ties to the Mob, too.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

They are. If the first two were apart of more peoples lives; It would make the world a much better place. The third one sums up exactly what is happening, and what has been allowed to happen, today. Except now they are implementing and funding domestic enemies aswell.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

REALLY Who?
I have no data on that, other than the usual business stuff...AKA I really don't KNOW so show me.

a reply to: beeyotch

I think this is a fairly common sentiment, "well, at least he's offending the totalitarian left".. but that's how you end up getting suckered back into the two party system. Trump is not a coherent politician or a serious candidate. Pretty clever if you think about it.

He's a mockery though, anyone that wanted to could totally vanquish the establishment in a real debate with facts. There's endless ammunition testifying to their criminal nature. It wouldn't be hard to beat them with facts but no one is seriously challenging them. If Trump wanted to he could do a way better job at exposing these people which tells me he isn't really in a conflict with these people. He's been running in their circles for his whole life and this is the person you people want to trust?

The problem is the public debate has degenerated into both sides ignoring the faults of their particular chosen politician, and the synthesis of this is that candidates on both sides of the aisle get a pass on their criminal behaviour while the people divide themselves by political affiliation. And the show goes on. This is literally what goes for debate at kindergarten. This is how low the lowest common denominator has sunk. What goes for debate these days is reacting emotionally and completely ignoring everything your particular opponent says while BLINDLY following and making excuses for your particular corrupt candidate.

I remember another political climate where liberals had at least a somewhat cogent narrative of tolerance and inclusion. It seems the political elites completely hijacked your ideology and made it the ideology of their hegemony. A twisted monstrosity, look at what goes for politics from the left these days. It's almost completely identity politics. A caricature taken to an extreme and used to push an agenda.

Paul Joseph Watson said it right when he said the new counter culture is conservative. I couldn't think of a better time to offend people than when it is forbidden to.

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

Of course everybody believes this bull cr#p. Just look at the threads and what people are talking about.

The people will not let you down when it comes to gullibility.

What are you worried about anyway.. as if it matters who is the president.

a reply to: WanderingNomaddWith almost half of Clinton and Trump supporters only favoring their candidates in order to stop the other candidate from winning, Americans are left with two leading candidates that they really do not want.
Americans are going to have to deal with the reality that Trump or Clinton is going to win the election. Regardless