Trump's Ignorant Pitch to Black Voters

Ok, Let me think no too hard actually about what I am about to lose from Hillary been president, vs Trump

Right now, I know Hillary, political career as a pandering lip service Democrat, yes taking into consideration her legacy so far I have a hell lot to lose.

Trump, well that is a risky business but hell what to expect and knowing is more fun with Trump than with Hillary.

Let see what happen.

After all it was another mantra that is the only thing Hillary is not using in her campaign promises that I very much fell for it under Obama, oh yeah, HOPE AND CHANGE.



People until this day are still waiting for Obama HOPE AND CHANGE.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

This illustrates his point.

Why is it that blacks need "special" economic policies only for them? Are they somehow incapable of making it the same way the rest of us do - you know by going to school, learning the things we need to learn, and earning our way in life?

A set of economic policies that work for one ethnic group ought to work for all the rest. Economics are not ethnically sensitive. They are math-based. Numbers don't care if you are one ethnicity or another; they simply are.

It seems from the figures there that the Democrats have been trying to do economics based on "special" policies for different groups ever since the War on Poverty was declared. We can all see how that has worked out. Trump is essentially correct. Insanity is repeating the same failed things over and over and expecting the results to somehow change.

The Top 10 Poorest Cities in the Country

10. Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ

Median household income: $37,674
Median home value: $120,200
Unemployment rate: 8.7%
Poverty rate: 20.6%

9. Grants Pass, OR

Median household income: $36,870
Median home value: $213,100
Unemployment rate: 8.2%
Poverty rate: 19.6%

8. Sumter, SC

Median household income: $36,633
Median home value: $111,100
Unemployment rate: 7.4%
Poverty rate: 24.1%

7. Valdosta, GA

Median household income: $36,340
Median home value: $110,900
Unemployment rate: 6.2%
Poverty rate: 26.0%

6. Sebring, FL

Median household income: $36,120
Median home value: $80,800
Unemployment rate: 7.8%
Poverty rate: 18.1%

5. Goldsboro, NC

Median household income: $35,966
Median home value: $105,700
Unemployment rate: 6.7%
Poverty rate: 25.5%

4. Homosassa Springs, FL

Median household income: $35,671
Median home value: $116,300
Unemployment rate: 7.6%
Poverty rate: 21.2%

3. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX

Median household income: $34,801
Median home value: $79,400
Unemployment rate: 7.9%
Poverty rate: 34.0%

2. Pine Bluff, AR

Median household income: $33,838
Median home value: $80,200
Unemployment rate: 7.5%
Poverty rate: 26.2%

1. Brownsville-Harlingen, TX

Median household income: $32,093
Median home value: $76,200
Unemployment rate: 6.8%
Poverty rate: 35.2%

It took me all of 30 seconds to figure out your meme is wrong, would you like to double down.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

How many years have the African americans been voting democrat? Almost since they could vote. And How many Promises have they kept to them? Id say about 2-3 percent. just enough to keep stringing them on.

My parents were like that. Voted Democratic because Martin Luther King was a Democrat. After Michigan's automotive boom ended, the government stepped in with welfare, food stamps, child support $$$.. courtesy of those who still paid taxes.

At age 97, he's still voting Democrat straight up and down the ballot, because the Black Baptist churches tell him, and all church attendees to do so. But, on a brighter note, if its raining or snowing, the African American turnout will be abysmal. The African American community is NOT EXCITED about Hillary, like they were about Barack Obama. Nowhere near it.

originally posted by: Willtell



You don’t talk about black issues to white people and you don’t ignore the black mainstream organizations and expect to get black support. Trump is obviously deliberately losing this race.

That's what it looks like to me as well. I don't think he was ever serious.

You don't pander to Black Americans and expect to keep your core group of racist conservatives on your side.

www.nbcnews.com...

Flip flopping on his original platform just alienated a lot of his constituancy. They must feel betrayed!!

a reply to: ketsuko

I'll easily condede that Democrats are hardly any more likely than Republicans to fix anything at this point except *maybe* "leading" the painfully, insanely slow end to the War on Drugs and the associated system of mass incarceration that they helped create (how pleased was "progressive" Bill in 1994 when he was anouncing more funding for more jails and longer prison terms?). Hell even the Congressional Black Caucus shares in that blame.

That breeds a mentality that never will try, for anything, because it believes that there is no point to it, and so we get what we see in a lot of places ... people who refuse to try, who scorn education, who vote for the handouts because they believe the system is so against them it's the only way they'll ever get anything in life.

According to this PBS article, in 2013, 42% of blacks aged 25-50 had student loan debt compared to 28% of whites in the same age range.

I'm not going to preach to you. You might want to read this interesting article though.

From 1992 to 2013, the median net worth of blacks who finished college dropped nearly 56 percent (adjusted for inflation). By comparison, the median net worth of whites with college degrees rose about 86 percent over the same period, which included three recessions — including the severe downturn of 2007 through 2009, with its devastating effect on home prices in many parts of the country. Asian graduates did even better, gaining nearly 90 percent.

To understand just how disappointing these results are, look at the impact during this period on comparable groups without college degrees. Blacks without degrees, in large part because they had much less to lose, experienced a 3.8 percent drop in wealth. Whites who didn’t graduate from college lost nearly 11 percent. The wealth of Asian nongrads fell more than 44 percent.

originally posted by: reldra

So, Black people are sitting at home and collecting welfare and they vote democrat so they can continue to do so?

If you think this isn't happening to some degree then your so clueless you can't be helped. Come take a look at some black neighborhoods in Milwaukee and see for yourself and then tell me their not voting dem to keep their EBT gravy train rolling. What's next on the deny reality list? Using your logic you'll soon be telling us most major cites don't have ghettos?

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Please define what makes a city.

We are talking about major cities. Homasassa Springs has barely 2,500 people in it.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

The graphic is clearly comparing large cities.

"For a the survey, a large city is defined as a city with a population of 250,000 or more. "

Wik ipedia

originally posted by: Nucleardoom

originally posted by: reldra

So, Black people are sitting at home and collecting welfare and they vote democrat so they can continue to do so?

If you think this isn't happening to some degree then your so clueless you can't be helped. Come take a look at some black neighborhoods in Milwaukee and see for yourself and then tell me their not voting dem to keep their EBT gravy train rolling. What's next on the deny reality list? Using your logic you'll soon be telling us most major cites don't have ghettos?

Perhaps a little reality check....

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.cheatsheet.com...

Yeah man, to hell with Trump trying to offer a different perspective for black America. Everything is wonderful in the black ghettos in this country.

It isn't like there is a crime problem or anything.....

But hey, let's keep voting for the Democrats that destroy every black urban community. Chiraq, Detroit, and Milwaukee are shining examples of the "help" the establishment has giving these communities.

If the people on the left really cared, would we still be in the situation we are in? Would we still be sitting at a point in history with extremely low race relations?

Check out this video. This man is the author of the book "Please Stop Helping Us" How Liberals Make It Harder For Blacks To Succeed"
youtu.be...

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

How many years have the African americans been voting democrat? Almost since they could vote. And How many Promises have they kept to them? Id say about 2-3 percent. just enough to keep stringing them on.

Just look at the worse inner cities in America........Detroit MI , Baltimore MD, Camden NJ, to name a few. All have been under Democratic rule for decades. What more can be said?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Please define what makes a city.

We are talking about major cities. Homasassa Springs has barely 2,500 people in it.

I got that now, and its pretty good for you, because my list showed that the poorest city's in America are mainly in red states.

a reply to: theantediluvian

It's interesting, but where is the data on whites and similar from similar economic backgrounds to those blacks and Hispanics? They do exist ... poor whites who take on a ton of college debt in order to get their degrees. You are having this conversation with one of a pair of two of them. Our only break was that I got more than half mine on scholarship.

We nearly lost our house during the last downturn, and I lost income in a fairly significant manner ... much like those the article describes.

So is the bias racial or more descriptive of those who happen to meet a certain set of economic criteria - basically, struggling to get out of lower economic classes and into better ones? You will see more minorities in that group because minorities are less well represented at higher rungs.

Also, is there data on how ethnic minorities already ensconced in the higher rungs of the ladder did? You know, the ones who did not have to pack on college debt? Did they suffer similarly or did they weather things as well as their white counterparts? Those exist too.

Also, what is the breakdown of degrees pursued? It is a known fact that some degrees will net much better returns. So what degrees are different groups pursuing and what are the expected returns on investment with those programs? If many black students are pursuing degree options like education or studies degrees or many other liberal arts options, they are not going to net much in the way of return, assuming they can get work in their fields. And if you pull down a lot of debt to earn a degree that is only going to pay you roughly $30K to start ... then you are going to be in a tough spot economically. I know, it was the thing I ended up doing and regret at this point, but at least my debt burden was halved by scholarship.

You could say at this point that many of those of us who come out economically disadvantaged backgrounds where we are going to have to find a way to pay back the entirety of our college degree are caught between the harsh reality that college is stupid expensive and that the degrees we are expected to earn don't do much other than perhaps open a door to us while also saddling us with the equivalent of a mortgage right off the bat.

Most of the jobs won't pay enough to make it worthwhile unless you pick your degree option very carefully and take your coursework very, very seriously so that you can step right into your work and make bank right off the bat.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Please define what makes a city.

We are talking about major cities. Homasassa Springs has barely 2,500 people in it.

I got that now, and its pretty good for you, because my list showed that the poorest city's in America are mainly in red states.

Is this measuring poverty as a percentage of the national mean income? If so, then it's tough to figure what poverty actually is. No doubt some of the people there are very, very poor, but what truly poor is depends as much upon an area's cost of living as it does some comparison to a national average.

There is a reason why we have cost of living calculators, you know.

To illustrate, the US Census Bureau reports the mean household income as $51,539 in 2014.

Let's say I make that in Milwaukee, WI. If I move to Mobile, Alabama, I would only need to make $48,053 in order to maintain my same standard of living. If I moved to Rochester, New York, I would only need to make $48,900 in order to maintain my standard of living. However ... if I moved to San Fran, Cali, I would need to make $80,919 in order to maintain my current standard of living.

So, as you can see, cost of living does vary quite a bit and the mean household income doesn't really mean much as you move from place to place.

Liberals think that equality of opportunity should also be equality of outcome.

I think Trump's message should be the same to all races. Why does he need a specific message to black voters?

Romney's numbers were single digit with blacks - he got 6% of the vote in 2012.
According to LA Times Trump has risen from 4.8% to 12.8% of the black vote since his speech (as of today).

I am sure some will see his outreach as 'ignorant', but others won't. I am sure the same people who call him 'ignorant' for reaching out would also call him ignorant if he found a cure for cancer.

originally posted by: In4ormant

I think Trump's message should be the same to all races. Why does he need a specific message to black voters?

Because Trump isn't stupid. He knows that with out a significant minority vote, he has no chance of being elected.

He has already flipfloped on deporting illegals. They however will never vote Republican in a million years after the way they were treated by the conservative right wing.

mediamatters.org...

You simply can't pander to any significant group this late in the game and expect it to have any effect.

As the nations demographic becomes younger, more liberal, racially diverse, the GOP has mostly lost it's relevance as it now stands and Trump put the final touches on their demise.

It almost seems planned....