Overseas travel warnings about USA mount

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SudoNim
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Have they changed the definition of car theft?

No, but cars were not present for almost half the country's existence.

Rape?

Doubtful the definition changed, but if you feel like being extra hyperbolic knock yourself out.

Keep making things up to stop yourself looking foolish.

The homicide rate was 4.6 in 62 and 63 only 0.1 higher than 2014. Wheres the over 8 coming from?

The guy who looks foolish is the one who just read a tiny 4 sentence paragraph about the 1920's and then asks, 'What year you talkin' 'bout?'

Let me know if you need me to explain that to you again.

I was confused that you were comparing it to the 1920's but refusing to acknowledge that crime in the 1960's was lower.

Making your statement false.

originally posted by: SudoNim
I was confused that you were comparing it to the 1920's but refusing to acknowledge that crime in the 1960's was lower.

Some crime was lower however this still does not impact my initial state that crime in the United States has been declining for decades.

Any evidence to the contrary you want to present?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SudoNim
I was confused that you were comparing it to the 1920's but refusing to acknowledge that crime in the 1960's was lower.

Some crime was lower however this still does not impact my initial state that crime in the United States has been declining for decades.

Any evidence to the contrary you want to present?

By "some crime" do you mean "Total Crime"?
Because that would be correct and would be a direct conflict with your statement.

I have never claimed your statement about it declining for decades wasn't true. I'm not sure why you think I did?
Maybe because you realised your other points had been debunked and you wanted to fall back on something.

Will you finally admit that your statement, that I pointed out, was incorrect;

Since it is at historical lows that would be from the beginning.

Or will you continue to ignore this and pretend you only made a statement about it declining for decades.

originally posted by: SudoNim
By "some crime" do you mean "Total Crime"?

No, I mean the crimes that we have accurate data for and have not had altered definitions. The homicide rate is the one constant that can be tracked accurately, the others cannot past a certain point but they are still down from past highs.

Will you finally admit that your statement, that I pointed out, was incorrect.

Do you have violent crime data pre-1950's that proves it is incorrect? The homicide rate is approaching historical lows and continues to drop.

There are plenty of articles that support my point. The rates are even lower now that in 2012 when that one was written.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SudoNim
By "some crime" do you mean "Total Crime"?

No, I mean the crimes that we have accurate data for and have not had altered definitions. The homicide rate is the one constant that can be tracked accurately, the others cannot past a certain point but they are still down from past highs.

Will you finally admit that your statement, that I pointed out, was incorrect.

Do you have violent crime data pre-1950's that proves it is incorrect? The homicide rate is approaching historical lows and continues to drop.

There are plenty of articles that support my point. The rates are even lower now that in 2012 when that one was written.

Wow. There's being stubborn and there's flat out ignorance.

You stated that

Overall crime is down in the United States and has been going down for decades

Crime..., not violent crimes, not homicide. Crime.

I asked;

Since when has crime been coming down?

You responded.

Since it is at historical lows that would be from the beginning. Nothing arbitrary there.

You then posted a source and the statement

As far back as you like. You are the one that made random pronoucnements in the thread.

How about 1960?

As it turns out in 1960 the CRIME rates were much lower than they are not.

THIS IS FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE. YOU WERE WRONG!

And yet, you still argue on. Typical arrogance, I bet you hate it that you messed up. Keep trying to switch focus.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Then if people think the US is a bad place to visit, they can spend their tourist dollars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, etc. Or go to a third world South American country where even Olympic athletes are robbed at gunpoint by thugs dressed like cops... or maybe they were the cops.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Then if people think the US is a bad place to visit, they can spend their tourist dollars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, etc. Or go to a third world South American country where even Olympic athletes are robbed at gunpoint by thugs dressed like cops... or maybe they were the cops.

Or perhaps Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Canada, Japan, Portugal, Singapore, Denmark, Switzerland, Ireland, Mauritius ... etc etc

I just, well yesterday actually, met a crowd (8) of Aussies touring the states on bicycles. They didn't look too terribly terrified...or unsafe, for that matter. In fact, they were having quite a good time of it from the sounds of it. They've been touring for about six months, and plan another four before heading back to school and work.

I actually asked them about that. They said, or the four that I actually talked with, that other than the occasional rude idiot that calls 'em Brits, they've had no issues worth speaking to.

Apparently they don't agree that the United States is a "dangerous" place to be. How 'bout that? Who'd have thought it?

a reply to: seagull

That's great. Of course it is not a 'dangerous' place to be, if you don't go looking for trouble.
Did you see where I posted about the National Parks and how so many foreign visitors were there? It was great.
I have also said I know how it is to be in a different country and aware of the different 'manners' one uses in the general public.....it's fascinating to me.

Back in the early 80s I lived in a ski-resort town, and there were "ski bums" from New Zealand, and Australia, and they would stay at Breck in the winter and then go to Peru for the summer.....

they were 'touring' the globe. It was fantastic. I've always enjoyed meeting and coming to know foreigners - in college, in professional circles, at conferences and at conventions, in local shops, in my own neighborhood! etc.

In college we had a group of friends from Pakistan, India and Egypt. My bf was from Ohio, but had grown up overseas and went to the American Schools in Rome and Madrid for his 4th - 11th grade education....so yeah.
"Fun with foreigners."

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Of course you can find trouble if you go looking for it. You could find trouble in the Sistine Chapel if you really try...

My point was, and is, despite arguments to the contrary, unless it's an active war zone, many/most countries are perfectly safe to tour with a few rather easy and simple precautions. Most of which have been brought up here.

I suppose it's mostly my growing annoyance at people who seem to be insisting that it's "dangerous" everywhere in America and trot out stats that supposedly prove it...supposedly.

a reply to: seagull

Ah. I see.
Yes, it irritates me as well. That's why I posted it. Not to agree with it, just to post that USAToday had published it.
It's more MSM crap.

I wanted our not-American members and friends to hear about how it isn't really dangerous.

ALso - it would be nice if everyone were nice to each other, instead of hateful and rude and homicidal and stuff.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'll go along with that.

But, unfortunately, doesn't quite work that way in RL.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: seagull

Ah. I see.
Yes, it irritates me as well. That's why I posted it. Not to agree with it, just to post that USAToday had published it.
It's more MSM crap.

I wanted our not-American members and friends to hear about how it isn't really dangerous.

ALso - it would be nice if everyone were nice to each other, instead of hateful and rude and homicidal and stuff.

Luckily, it's just a tiny portion of the population that wants to kill others, most are happy being happy. The SJW's invent issues to worry about, but the normal folks seem to run on a very even keel. I try to emulate the normal folks. If you smile and nod, you can blend right in. (they never have to know what you are really thinking)

a reply to: SudoNim

In the long term, violent crime in the United States has been in decline since colonial times. - Fischer, Claude. "A crime puzzle: Violent crime declines in America". UC Regents.

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originally posted by: seagull

that other than the occasional rude idiot that calls 'em Brits

As an Aussie there really is nothing worse than being called a Brit.

I'm just kidding I love our former masters like brothers!

(What does offend me is when Americans try to do an Aussie accent. Just......don't. Please for the love of everything holy don't. I have yet to meet a single American who can do a convincing Aussie accent without royally screwing it up and sounding something like a cross between a confused Brit and a stroke patient.)

a reply to: Kryties

Robert Downey Jr did a very good one in Tropic Thunder.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Kryties

Robert Downey Jr did a very good one in Tropic Thunder.

Admittedly yeah that wasn't bad, I'd say it's the best interpretation I've heard. Not quite right though, but definitely close.

I loved that movie btw, one of the funniest Ive seen lol. Sorry, off-topic I know.

a reply to: Kryties

EVERY country hates that ,but BEER is universal even if you don't drink you still smile.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: seagull

that other than the occasional rude idiot that calls 'em Brits

As an Aussie there really is nothing worse than being called a Brit.

I'm just kidding

I love our former masters like brothers!

(What does offend me is when Americans try to do an Aussie accent. Just......don't. Please for the love of everything holy don't. I have yet to meet a single American who can do a convincing Aussie accent without royally screwing it up and sounding something like a cross between a confused Brit and a stroke patient.)

I only got called Australian twice in my recent visit to to Wyoming,Montana,Idaho and Washington.Oh and 'Are you from Manchester?' a few times when they have one of the most recognisable regional accents in England,completely different from where I live on the south coast and what is considered to be a neutral or no accent area.

Apart from that everyone I met made me feel more welcome than here at home.In America 'Hi there,how are you today?' In England 'waddyawant?'
The only place I didn't feel really welcome was the predominantly Spanish part of Miami a couple of years ago,and being told in no uncertain terms I need to learn to speak Spanish if I ever visit there again.Very odd I think in a country where the primary language is English.