Senior German ministers call for ban on wearing the burqa

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Point taken.

reply to: paraphi

I relies this thread is about banning the Burka in Germany. However to people who wish to see that particular clobber banned in the U.K i can only say it's kind of hypocritical stance to take when one of our royal family, and a prince no less, somehow finds it acceptable to wear costumes such a this, even in jest.



I mean if Harry is free to choose to wear what he wants then so should the common day everyday person also be free to choose there own attire.

Which is not to say that people who do don such attire as a Burka should not expect to be stopped and questioned should they enter into any areas where security is a concern, given the nature of the item of clothing, the purposes for which it is designed, and the present world climate regarding fundamentalist Muslim groups.

Its just how the world is, but banning people for wearing an item of clothing is simply playing into these terrorist scums hands.

I mean come on to grips the public should not be scarred of people wearing Burkas anymore than they should be scarred of Muslims.

From time to time there are discussions on why school children should wear

uniforms.

Children dont like uniforms as they prefer to show off who has the latest designer

this or that or trainers etc. However time has shown that *uniforms* are a great

society leveler.


The mind set of peoples living in the east are still set in 1500 plus years ago

unprogresive .... along with the out dated idea that they have no need to

exercise any self control, because when push comes to shove the women always

take the blame.

Just look at the recent case's of assault and rape of German women by the

immigrants reported over the last few months.

These people have been brought up in a culture where women have no

value, and are responsible for all male misdemeanors.


So going back to my first paragraph.... people dressing in similar manner

(like uniforms) is a great leveler in society

a reply to: eletheia

We do it anyways. Just for teams, music, lifestyle choice, ...
Tiny batches of identification, or got it painted all over our bodies, permanently, are both in essence uniforms.

The truth is that Islam is not compatatable with western culture. Anything that promotes sectarianism or the oppression of women in favor of men, should be banned from public life. Even in the case of symbolic head dress. In the west the Burqa should absolutely be banned. Muslims who wish to live strictly by Islamic doctrine should live in Muslim countries, otherwise they must respect the laws and traditions of the open western society model, where women are equal to men.

There should be no place in the west for the Bueqa or any overt religious dress from any culture that promotes segregation of the sexes. Germany has made huge mistakes in bending over backwards to facilitate a backward looking ideology and culture. Whilst everybody should be allowed to practise their faith in private, there should be a definitive and clear separation of state, government and the civil laws, from any religious doctern, regardless of its source.

Muslims who live in, or desire to live in the west and who reject this, should relocate to Muslim countries. The primary mistake was that progressive western society allowed a totally incompatable Muslim culture too much religious freedom and is paying the price. If we had banned the Burqa in the very beginning, it would not have become the issue it has today. Muslim citizens should be allowed to wear it, if they so choose, in the privacy of their own homes, but not in the street, work, public places etc.

This might sound to some like an anti Muslim stance, however, it's an anti anything stance that marginalises women in society or brings religious ideology into the functions of the state or society at large.



a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

originally posted by: danieldematio
The truth is that Islam is not compatatable with western culture. Anything that promotes sectarianism or the oppression of women in favor of men, should be banned from public life. Even in the case of symbolic head dress. In the west the Burqa should absolutely be banned. Muslims who wish to live strictly by Islamic doctrine should live in Muslim countries, otherwise they must respect the laws and traditions of the open western society model, where women are equal to men.

I so agree with what you say, and I reiterate what i have said many times before

on these boards, that political correctness and human rights as currently practised

is detrimental to society.

The west and Germany in particular carry an overload of guilt from the 'past' and

that colours their attitude in the bending over backwards, and over compensation

in an effort to gain some sort of absolution and resolution.

a reply to: eletheia

So going back to my first paragraph.... people dressing in similar manner (like uniforms) is a great leveler in society

Also a great way to push conformity, would you like us all ...to look the same? ..think the same ?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Also a great way to push conformity, would you like us all ...to look the same? ..think the same ?

There are too many ways to think to have all people think alike ....

However I'll come back to you on the question of looking alike when I

come across a lawyer, bank manager, or doctor, who are covered in

piercings and tattoos wearing outlandish clothing.

a reply to: eletheia

who are covered in piercings and tattoos wearing outlandish clothing.

Now you are just showing your age ...

Uniforms are another form of control, if we all look alike we are likely to think alike..

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Uniforms are another form of control, if we all look alike we are likely to think alike..

Really

Or is that just your opinion

There are many people who are 'naturalists' or 'nudists' but they cannot

practice that in public. Surely they have to do so with like minded people or

in privacy.

a reply to: eletheia

So let me get this straight ....you are saying it is no different to be naked than it is
having to wear a uniform ?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

No, because we think alike, we dress alike.

Or don't wear anything. It's called Frei Körper Kultur, FKK. Free body culture. It's a thing with a whole philosophy to it.

a reply to: Peeple

Sorry for being slow, wtf does being the same naked and wearing a uniform have in common.....other than everyone looks different naked ?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So? We also look different, when dressed. Even in a uniform.

What I mean is, what most do if they identify with something. Think Punks, Fans of any sportclub, occupation like banker, every group has a way to signify their identity. Basically a Uniform. Even in the army the navy doesn't wear the same as the airforce.

a reply to: Peeple

Funny that i did not see this used as an explanation to the swiss rejecting some imigrants because they did not fit in or should i say dress to the occasion !

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

That's culture. Funny, but true.

a reply to: Peeple

I like culture

a reply to: intrptr & starwarsisreal

originally posted by: ColCurious
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Conservatism must not lose sight of its original statutes (like it happened in the U.S.).

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Uniforms are another form of control, if we all look alike we are likely to think alike..

Not control, but identity in most cases. It's when you are forced, compelled or pressured to conform to a particular standard set by men is where the burka comes in, alongside other forms of head-dress that differentiate and separate.

Muslim men in the West can wear what they like, but the women are different. That's the control element.

Soldiers wear uniforms for identity and job. I wear the uniform of a middle aged Briton living in the sticks.

The burqua is dehumanising. It is a physical barrier between a woman and the outside world