Senior German ministers call for ban on wearing the burqa

originally posted by: intrptr
Go stand on a corner and tear off burkas if it makes you feel better.

You debate like a child. Who has advocated that? Not me.
Typical lame arse intrptr argument...crap.

I assert that if a social demographic has an exemption from state sponsored surveillance from facial recognition and CCTV because they happen to believe in a particular sky fairy then that is discrimination against non-believers.

Answer that. Tell me it is a flawed argument and explain exactly why.
You can't...all you can do is deflect...and I'll pull you up on your lame arse deflection every time.
The more times I do then the more people see how lame your deflective arguments are.

There is no suitable explanation for you.

Except reverse discrimination.

You feel discriminated against because burkas aren't illegal because you feel unsafe around them.

That rhetoric makes everyone unsafe.

originally posted by: intrptr
There is no suitable explanation for you.

Except reverse discrimination.

You feel discriminated against because burkas aren't illegal because you feel unsafe around them.

That rhetoric makes everyone unsafe.

Nope, I don't feel unsafe, I just recognise the discrimination that belief in a particular sky fairy provides a situation where authorities allow people to mask themselves from state sponsored surveillance.
Stick to that specific point and stop inventing bull#.

Nope, I don't feel unsafe...

Okay, from your reply on page one.

No, it's creepy as # seeing just a pair of eyes looking at me, how do I know they are not up to no good?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

LoL Would that kind of not defeat the point of the clothing in question?

Its supposed to hide a females appearance and demure.

Here is another thought, how about see through Burkas, oh wait, is that not a rain mack? LoL

Thats why i said leave it loose around the NAUGHTY BITS lol.

a reply to: intrptr

That is not a safety concern, just common sense about hiding away from society.
Try again.

....and answer my previous question regarding a social demographic getting a free pass to evade facial recognition based solely on their particular belief in sky fairies.

a reply to: intrptr

Do you support equality of government surveillance?
Or do you think a particular religious faith has more of a right to hide from facial recognition cameras than others?
Perhaps all religious faiths?
Do we even need to have faith to hide from cameras?
What is your opinion? It is generally vague and deflective in my experience.

originally posted by: paraphi
Well, Germany is waking up and starting to take action to reduce the risk of separatism and difference that things like the Burka highlight. Not only is the Burka a symbol of women's humiliating oppression and control by men, it's a way to hide the identity of the wearer.

They shouldn't ban the burka specifically. However look at this New York law which restricts use of any kind of masks in public, though they make an exception on Halloween:

Are Balaclavas Illegal in NYC?

...according to the New York Penal Law 240.35(4), it is illegal to congregate in public with two or more people while each wearing a mask or any face covering which disguises your identity. The law has existed since 1845...

So that law doesn't single out burkas, though since burkas do conceal identity they would fall under that law along with many other things that conceal identity.

Apply the same standards to everybody, don't pick on one culture or religion. The enforcement of that New York law related to "Occupy Wall Street" protests had nothing to do with burkas, but it could be applied to burkas.

It´s amazing how some people defend the burkha with "religion freedom".
So I guess it´s okay now to behead people and stone them to death, too. Because it´s their religion. Or rape the women of their victims. Religion freedom for everyone!

Religion or not, do we really want to accept the mental picture that women have to hide themselves because either they or the men feel threatened?? Isn´t it kind of backwards and against society, not so speak of a general accusation about men?

Isn´t it all that? It´s not just a piece of cloth. It has a purpose and a meaning.
And if you want the honest opinion of an "insider", the mothers are to blame! Because they are responsible for raising the kids in this culture. They could stop it, but instead they hand down the violence and attitudes towards women down to their own daughters and sons! It´s just archaic #ting down on the next generation.

Mind you I´m generally speaking about the arabic muslim group.
Either those mothers are so indoctrinated or just enjoy taking their turn.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, it most certainly is.

...and as with the case of Afghanistan, that little bit of culture should see us, as in the United States, bidding them a not so fond farewell.

With this, while not quite the same thing... if it's that troubling...then yes, the same response can certainly be explored, can't it?

I don't find burkas quite as horrific as young boys/girls/women being raped...or banning burkas, for that matter. But yes, your point remains...it's up to the Germans to decide about the laws of their country. No one else.

a reply to: intrptr
Is it religious persecution if someone, who´s religion demands him to be naked all the time, is arrested in public because he lives his religious freedom?

Is it religious persecution if we ban slitting the throats of living animals so they are halal?
Or has it to do with animal cruelity?

Is it religious persecution if we ban stoning people to death because their religion demands them to punish the sinner? Or is it because it´s torture?

Is it religious persecution if we do not allow sex between underaged children and adults, because their religion allows it? Or is it because we want to protect the children who can not defend themselves?


If we let everything fly under the name of religion, what laws do we need anymore? With laws I mean those that protect basic human (and animal) rights. You also have to recognize, this is not USA. We have very low crime rates, people tend to trust each other more easy, we have a completely different mindset.

The general consens that comes with that, is, that if you have to conceal yourself going to the extremes of a burkha, you either have something to hide or you make a clear sign that you do not want any contact.
The most people have no problem with "multi-kulti" but for that, everybody needs to be a little bit open.

Burkhas are the opposit. You might sell the "it´s religious freedom" to people who do not know our culture but it´s still our thing. You can have your opinion but at least try to see the reasons for that.

a reply to: verschickter

If I go to a country, where it's custom to wear the thing, I will do. If they come here they have to adjust too. Everything else would be unjust. At least they don't have to worry to get beaten by the police, because they wear it. But still, in our culture it is irritating and in times like these, who knows who hides beneath that thing. Also I honestly don't see how a person who feels the need to wear that could have any interest to integrate in a society like ours. We celebrate the body.
I'm nuuuuuude! FKK!

Haha imagine everytime we see someone in a burqa we take our clothes off...




Or naked flash mobs at the local mosque.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: verschickter

Also I honestly don't see how a person who feels the need to wear that could have any interest to integrate in a society like ours

Thank you, it took me forever to make that clear, I´ll repeat it because it´s a important point that has to do with our culture. I think it´s no secret we love to come together at "fests". That´s why there are so many of them in germany. We always find a reason to sit together and have a good time.
In this context:

I honestly don't see how a person who feels the need to wear that could have any interest to integrate in a society like ours.

a reply to: verschickter

None of those scenarios you posed are relevant to the thread.

But playing along, Is it okay to bomb women running away in burkas?

google

US airstrikes on a Syrian village have killed at least 73 civilians, a majority of them women...

a reply to: intrptr

Nice try, I see what you did here. Typical for you, I have to say. Regardless of your lousy try, I´ve made my points. I can not speak for every german citizen but I certainly know how the majority thinks on this. It´s not my intention to convince you, don´t worry.

And I will not comment on that rhetorical question.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: intrptr

Yah, best to stick to the religious persecution rhetoric.

a reply to: intrptr
You mean like you do the whole time?

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: intrptr
You mean like you do the whole time?

Hating on burkas is the distraction everyone is supposed to wallow in.

a reply to: intrptr

No, it's a necessity. # could fly towards the fan every second. Then the last thing you want is the enemy wearing burqas and all the time you're at risk killing an innnocent.
That's irresponsible towards our soldiers and police, the risk of them suffering trauma is way too high. And the well being of those protecting me and risking their life for me, is more important than some lifestyle choice.
We all live our fetish at home or in groups sharing the same interests, but in public we accept "the norm" mostly. Religious freedom, sure, your kink, your business, but in public: please try not to cause harm to others.
And everyone who wants to benefit, has to accept the terms of agreement. Why the hell are they in germany, if they despise the people living there? Why do I have to watch, other human beings getting enslaved? The bird in the cage sings, but its wings are crippled. Nobody who doesn't have serious issues separates themselves from their environment like that.


Also it should be obvious for them it could soon be like painting a target on their own back, so out of self interest, they should adjust.





They still can live their religion, nobody denies them to cover their body and hair, but show your face.

a reply to: intrptr
Now bring feelings into the game, is this your next step on the script?
Do you have some kind of yes/no framework to follow? Seriously.
But roll on.. whatever pleases you. I´m done trying to discuss with you.