Humor me, ATS, do you see a RAISED seal on the back of Obama’s short form birth certificate?

this is madness... I smell bull# on FactCheck and validation in OP's research and conclusions

a reply to: FamCore

You are saying they are both wrong? How?

Who benefits?

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: hellobruce

Learn some law.

How about you look at the 3 court cases where once again birthers lost trying to use your argument!

Birthers have no clue at all about law, which is why they have lost every single court case, over 200!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

One pic looks raised and the other looks like the back. This thread is just ridiculous.

Makes ATS look ridiculous too.


I am ashamed this is on here and on the front page.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Hillary first brought this issue up, why if she wasn't aware of something?

Because Obama was her competitor for the Democratic nominee!

evryone gets quiet.

Because they realise it is a whole lot of crap and made up silly stories, like this thread.

I just want the truth.

The truth is Obama is a natural born US citizen, and was legally elected as POTUS. Twice.

Some people hate that fact, and they become obsessed with it.

At the beginning of this thread I said it was delusional and obsessive thinking. You are right.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Excellent topic

It's time we re-explore this forgery.

It is not time to re explore this. So many experts have explored it. We have no standing to come to any different conclusion.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

If anything, this is proof positive that ATS doesn't censor. This mess got to the top of the front page. ATS did not show bias. However, I am disappointed that others let this get so far. Very disappointed.

a reply to: reldra

I am disappointed that others let this get so far. Very disappointed.

we are sorry queen Reldra. Can you ever forgive us ?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Most non-Americans see this business about Obama's birth certificate as pure racism: he is the only non-white president, and he is the only president who had to show his birth certificate. You may say it's not about racism, but it is, the only dark skinned president is the only one whose legitimacy to the White House is questioned. I'm sure most Americans are deeply embarrassed about this.

In 2011 the White house released his long certificate (LINK) with a statement from local officials confirming it is authentic: why is this not enough as proof?

originally posted by: Agartha
Most non-Americans see this business about Obama's birth certificate as pure racism: ..........
why is this not enough as proof?

See your first sentence!

This is still a thing? We're really still doing this?

Y'all do realize that Obama is currently sitting in the White House, staring at the dwindling number of spaces left to check off and thinking to himself "I can't believe I ever wanted this damn job..."

He's gone. He's done. It's over.

But if you're really bored I'm sure somebody can dig up that picture of that ring he wore that one time that the Internet spent like 2 years trying to decipher into some coded Jihadist message.

originally posted by: hellobruce

See your first sentence!

Yep.... but I'm sure those doubting will have a list of reasons, they just don't realize how racist they look to the world (even though they all deny being racist).

a reply to: xuenchen

From working with documents of that nature (albeit in another country), no information confirming nor denying the existence of such documents is to be given. Otherwise, if the answers were either "We have no such documents" or "We are not allowed to give you these documents" this would already answer the question in part.

(And yeah, I can clearly see that it has been way to long since I wrote English )

lol we are still on about this? Wow. This website has turned into total #. Mods this is your fault. The same goes for the owners. You guys have allowed this bull# to fester long enough. For the love of all that was good with this place please make a oublic announcement stating this website was not created to be solely an echo chamber for US politics, especially when the dialogue has devolved into such a way that constructive conversation is almost non-existent. You guys are essentially providing a voice for radicals at this point. You know it's true. Springer do something about your beautiful website. It's turned into a steaming pile of #.

originally posted by: Hefficide
Y'all do realize that Obama is currently sitting in the White House, staring at the dwindling number of spaces left to check off and thinking to himself "I can't believe I ever wanted this damn job..."

Remember this?

Excellent thread. Harping back to the old days of well researched conspiracies. As a membership we cannot accept conspiracies anymore, only political nonsense and media fueled agendas.

Thanks for posting and doing some great research!

a reply to: thesungod

no, that comment came out wrong my b.

I think OP is on the money and FactCheck is full of ****

So this is silly and a non-issue and old news right?

Why so many angry posters?

It's not a bad 'conspiracy' post, why get MAD? It's not Racist. Racist is not an attitude or just talking about another race, it's doing something that oppresses a specific group or race.

Yeah, yeah, people have made the term as broad as possible, but that's just so they can shout down any comments that seem to be related to there being groups or nationalities or races.

NEWSFLASH: There are races of people on the planet. Get over it. Nobody except the Human Rights Denying states and countries are involved in suppression and oppression of 'races'.

I don't like Hungarians (I do, just making a point). Is making that statement racist? I'm not calling for them to be put down or even given the short end of the stick. It's stupid.

Is BO a non-US-Born person? We don't know. Is it interesting to talk about it given this embossing conundrum? Sure.