How does wanting secure borders make someone a XENOPHOBE!?! I'm confused!

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Asians and Indians are not typically on the dole and paying cartel kickbacks or dragging goons with them from homeland organized crime. Even with all that aside what kind of dumbazz country allows 20 foreigners to stay because one of them in the family dropped a baby?

Have you ever heard of the Triad?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes. I ran across that researching Spain's problem with illegals, smuggled in, show how to get onto public services and kickback. But not as big a problem in Spain as other organizations. Mexicans do the same to some degree here. The Mexican underworld are the largest producers of illegal IDs in the world and have set up all over North America. And the powers that be here are chicken s*it of them.

a reply to: Logarock

Tackling the cartel issue is a TOTALLY different monster. Though I agree, it's the real issue to worry about. Getting rid of the cartels would make it MUCH harder for people to hop the border. This is yet another example of American politics ignoring reality in favor of pushing political rhetoric and agendas. Though getting rid of the cartels requires us to end the War on Drugs. I don't expect many conservative politicians to be on board with that though.

originally posted by: schuyler
It's a tactic of extremists to mis-label their opposition. If you even hint that Bruce Jenner really is a male transvestite and not a "transgendered person" you are labeled a "homophobe." It has nothing to do with fear (phobia), of course, and in this case it is mis-applied, but that doesn't matter if you can be marginalized and shouted down. The same is true with the term "racist." "xenophobe," and any number of other appellations freely used by people with an agenda to shut down free speech. Oh, they believe in "free speech," all right, as long as you believe what they want you to.

Couldn't agree more!

I support abortion. According to conservatives I am a murderer.
I support marriage equality. According to conservatives I am anti-family.
I support free healthcare for all. According to conservatives I am anti-America AND anti-freedom.

and my personal favorite....

I support proper gun control DESPITE owning a pair of my own. According to conservatives I am anti-gun, anti-freedom and many other things

a reply to: odinsway

A one world government is inevitable for us to grow as a species, set aside our petty differences, and stop squabbling over the limited resources we have left im afraid.

Im not talking about a malevolent Orwellian draconian technocracy, i talking about a benevolent government there to help people instead of hinder progress.

As to your "stinking globalist" comment, grow up you small minded fool and learn some manners.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: odinsway

A one world government is inevitable for us to grow as a species, set aside our petty differences, and stop squabbling over the limited resources we have left im afraid.

And when it turns into a technological totalitarian police state, who is left outside to stand against it?

Even on a good day, a global government handing down one size fits all edicts to the entire planet is beyond absurd. Look how bad it is here in the US with the 2 party system. We still have fighting and squabbling (now more than ever since the 70's). The "Global Village" isn't a culture, its a pipedream. You could make the entire planet atheist and everyone would still be fighting over what to call it, or some other stupid snip.

We need borders. They help define culture, and keep the fallout from rogue/failed states from spilling over everywhere unchecked (i.e. Europe), while no matter how bad segments of the world go there will always be some other spaces still thinking halfway reasonably to stand and show the way.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

We already live under an Orwellian technological totalitarian police state where our every action is monitored and anonymity simply does not exist.

Globalization is inevitable, its how we address the problems we face and the distribution of wealth that has to change.

Do you imagine our current nation states are ever going to be able to address the problems humanity faces?

Because we don't see to be doing to well while we remain divided, just a thought.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am for absolute and total border control. So is my entire first generation Mexican immigrant extended family.

With this being said, I am for these things because it directly affects my wallet. Illegal immigration is a massive strain on the system. It is also a giant slap in the face to all of the people that have enough respect to go through the process legally. They spend countless hours studying for the tests attached to legal immigration.

If we had true property rights, and the war funding income tax was abolished (which it should be) I would have zero problem having open borders.

If I am forced to fund a broken school system for children that I do not have, and all of the other public services that my stolen tax dollars go toward, I should at the minimum not be forced to provide these things for people that do not want to follow the law of the land.

We have some of the most relaxed and liberal immigration and border policies IN THE WORLD!! Still, if you say you want secured borders, you are automatically a racist xenophobe.

***ALSO***
Don't you find it interesting that the elites at the top always complain and propagandize the "overpopulation" myth? It is funny because at the same time, when a country is prospering and people are doing well, they decide to have less children. When this starts to happen the officials complain about "dangerously low birth rates" and so they justify flooding the country with immigrants. They are using this excuse in Germany and all over Europe in order to usher in a bunch of violent fundamentalists with low IQ and little to no education or literacy under the guise of helping "refugees."

We are overpopulated, yet we are in danger of low populations. Makes sense right?

More propaganda people, open your eyes.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

because of cultural marxism

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
It's like the hot new buzzword, all of the sudden for me, after not paying attention to politics for few good years. Now it's part of the daily language here. I first started noticing it laid on thick in reference to "everyone" who voted "Leave" on "Brexit". Since then I've been seeing it all the time in regard to Donald Trump. Likewise, with anybody else who wants secure borders.

Please articulate for me why wanting secure borders would mean a person is a XENOPHOBE.

I mean, do you have locks on the doors in your domicile? If so, does that mean you're a XENOPHOBE too?

Another thing I've been somewhat perplexed by it is how XENOPHOBE always seems to have attached to it RACIST as well. Like they go hand in hand.

Would that mean if I have burglar bars on my house in the city, that I'm a RACIST XENOPHOBE too?

I don't know....just a wild guess but maybe look up the definition of the word...? Maybe your answer lies within that....?

originally posted by: TonyS
I've looked at the migration of the early 1900's and understand that most of the immigrants were processed through Ellis Island. Things were, obviously, different in those days. It was more difficult to get to the US and the immigration regulations and filtering had much more to do with screening for disease than anything else.

The US-Mexican border was even more porous back then. Operation wetback was actually a joint effort between Mexico and the US. Anyone denied under the Bracero Program would just hop the border. It got to the point where Mexico said round up the illegals and give them to us. We got work for them way south of the border where it will be harder for them to hop right back into the US and we will even pay to get them there. Now it is touted as a US only move to remove illegals.

Ellis Island is always brought up but that is far removed from what was happening on the southern border. Different parts of the immigration issue.

originally posted by: Logarock
Even with all that aside what kind of dumbazz country allows 20 foreigners to stay because one of them in the family dropped a baby?

One where that is the law. Hear it all the time, have to keep to the letter of the law.

ETA: That isn't what actually happens but what does happen is in accordance.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
It's like the hot new buzzword, all of the sudden for me, after not paying attention to politics for few good years. Now it's part of the daily language here. I first started noticing it laid on thick in reference to "everyone" who voted "Leave" on "Brexit". Since then I've been seeing it all the time in regard to Donald Trump. Likewise, with anybody else who wants secure borders.

Please articulate for me why wanting secure borders would mean a person is a XENOPHOBE.

I mean, do you have locks on the doors in your domicile? If so, does that mean you're a XENOPHOBE too?

Another thing I've been somewhat perplexed by it is how XENOPHOBE always seems to have attached to it RACIST as well. Like they go hand in hand.

Would that mean if I have burglar bars on my house in the city, that I'm a RACIST XENOPHOBE too?

Ask the native americans, let them decide based on past experience. Seeing as they are the actual real original owners of the entire American continent, what they do think about this? why are the conquerors that killed the real owners choosing? who can go in or out? lets make a poll around the original owners, then take it from there.

Don't get angry or surprised if they call hypocrisy on current "Americans" and their "right" to own the land they stole in the same way as current migrants are doing, except for the mass killing. The entire thing just stinks of hypocrisy but anyway, lets move on and pretend the past didn't happen and everyone has been born on America since forever and no killing or take over happened at all.

originally posted by: Winstonian
We are overpopulated, yet we are in danger of low populations. Makes sense right?

More propaganda people, open your eyes.

So which one is the truth?

originally posted by: MOMof3
When I lived in Texas in the 50's, no one, I mean no one, gave a hoot about people crossing the border. Now we are all afraid of a bunch of mexicans and gave it a name.. It is not the Mexican fault that businesses found a new slave pool to fill good jobs with cheap labor. Thank you Ronald Reagan and busting the unions.

Well, considering Operation Wetback occurred between 1954 and 1962 primarily in Texas and California due to an outcry from the people in those states, I find your post hard to believe. How old were you in the 50's? it was 60 years ago, you know.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
Well, considering Operation Wetback occurred between 1954 and 1962 primarily in Texas and California due to an outcry from the people in those states, I find your post hard to believe. How old were you in the 50's? it was 60 years ago, you know.

No, the outcry came from mexican agribusiness owners who lost their labor force because the southern border of the US was no hurdle to those who wanted into the land of milk and honey.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
Well, considering Operation Wetback occurred between 1954 and 1962 primarily in Texas and California due to an outcry from the people in those states, I find your post hard to believe. How old were you in the 50's? it was 60 years ago, you know.

No, the outcry came from mexican agribusiness owners who lost their labor force because the southern border of the US was no hurdle to those who wanted into the land of milk and honey.

not true....

'

2. At first, Mexican-American groups supported Operation Wetback In his book Walls and Mirrors, David Gutierrez dedicates a chapter to the complex relationship Mexican-Americans had with Mexican immigrants. In the early '50s, he writes, influential Latino organizations like the League of United Latin American Citizens and the American G.I. Forum supported the tough immigration policies the U.S. government instituted. Gutierrez quotes one Mexican-American talking about the newly arrived Mexican braceros: "I've been following the crops in California for about 12 years, and I still don't know if I'm for or against the braceros. I guess that's because I first came to this country as a bracero myself in 1944, and know something about their problems. But I also know that when the braceros come in, the wages stay very low; that's pretty bad for people who have to earn their whole year's income just during the harvest season."

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: KyoZero

originally posted by: schuyler
It's a tactic of extremists to mis-label their opposition. If you even hint that Bruce Jenner really is a male transvestite and not a "transgendered person" you are labeled a "homophobe." It has nothing to do with fear (phobia), of course, and in this case it is mis-applied, but that doesn't matter if you can be marginalized and shouted down. The same is true with the term "racist." "xenophobe," and any number of other appellations freely used by people with an agenda to shut down free speech. Oh, they believe in "free speech," all right, as long as you believe what they want you to.

Couldn't agree more!

I support abortion. According to conservatives I am a murderer.
I support marriage equality. According to conservatives I am anti-family.
I support free healthcare for all. According to conservatives I am anti-America AND anti-freedom.

and my personal favorite....

I support proper gun control DESPITE owning a pair of my own. According to conservatives I am anti-gun, anti-freedom and many other things

I'm a conservative and I'm pro-choice.
Doesn't everyone support marriage equality? Men and women have been equal for a long time.
There is no such thing as free.
I support fair gun laws...not control.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

I was born in 51. I lived in Texas from 8yrs old to 16yrs. My folks owned bars in Ft. Worth. The two governments started that wetback business, not ordinary folk.