Take that Islamophobes — Muslim Man Dies Saving Hundreds of Lives by Hugging a Suicide Bomber

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SlowNail

I really didn't want to make that comparison but I felt it was apt considering the example I was trying to present. When I selected those crimes I picked the most racist ones because that those are the racist accusations people level at those groups. They are ALL ridiculous accusations that have no barring on race or religion.

To me, it pretty much shows that you must think radicalisation IS a Muslim "thing" on some level, even if you don't realise it.

Of course it is a "thing". I'm not denying that terrorists exist. I just don't think it is a threat in any shape or form to the United States of America. More akin to a bee sting. Yes these events are shocking and terrible for the people involved, but at the end of the day I have more to fear walking down the street in Baltimore city than I do from a group of Muslims.

[SNIP] if one of your family members was killed by someone perpetrating violence for their cause of religious domination, would that still be a "bee sting"?

Do you hold public office or something because you seem very similar in opinion to those 'bought-and-sold' clueless folks that I see on CSPAN.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Oh, you don't believe there's a corrupt elite that works through a variety of networks and institutions? This has been demonstrated thousands of times all over ATS.

You're right. I am a gun owner, I have thousands of guns and that includes anti aircraft batteries. I'm like that gun shop owner in the Simpsons, the guy in the movie Falling Down or that guy in Pulp Fiction. You can come and take them if you want to but you'll have to go over my cold dead body first. My militia is the deadliest.. try your luck if you want to punk.

And don't waste my time with pointless posts that don't even try to argue rationally because everything I've said can be demonstrated as fact.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nice troll on the weapon side.

now I will post an "as relevant" post back:

I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage...

Relevant to what ?....other than your nonsensical rambling ?

Relevant to your comment "What scares me more is that you are likely a gun owner ....do you conceal carry ?" which has as much to do with the conversation at hand as my purposefully nonsensical and irrelevant comment.

Try to stay on topic and keep your anti-gun agenda in another forum

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nice troll on the weapon side.

now I will post an "as relevant" post back:

I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage...

Relevant to what ?....other than your nonsensical rambling ?

Relevant to your comment "What scares me more is that you are likely a gun owner ....do you conceal carry ?" which has as much to do with the conversation at hand as my purposefully nonsensical and irrelevant comment.

Try to stay on topic and keep your anti-gun agenda in another forum

You guys...you crack me up....

What is relevant is your "if you # with me and my beliefs i will # you up attitude"

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nice troll on the weapon side.

now I will post an "as relevant" post back:

I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage...

Relevant to what ?....other than your nonsensical rambling ?

Relevant to your comment "What scares me more is that you are likely a gun owner ....do you conceal carry ?" which has as much to do with the conversation at hand as my purposefully nonsensical and irrelevant comment.

Try to stay on topic and keep your anti-gun agenda in another forum

You guys...you crack me up....

What is relevant is your "if you # with me and my beliefs i will # you up attitude"

I have no idea what "guys" you are referring to and I would actually resemble the comment you made if there was a threat to family, myself or friends. I would not however, do anything to assist someone that has your point of view; I'd just sit and watch what happens to you.

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nice troll on the weapon side.

now I will post an "as relevant" post back:

I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage...

Relevant to what ?....other than your nonsensical rambling ?

Relevant to your comment "What scares me more is that you are likely a gun owner ....do you conceal carry ?" which has as much to do with the conversation at hand as my purposefully nonsensical and irrelevant comment.

Try to stay on topic and keep your anti-gun agenda in another forum

You guys...you crack me up....

What is relevant is your "if you # with me and my beliefs i will # you up attitude"

I have no idea what "guys" you are referring to and I would actually resemble the comment you made if there was a threat to family, myself or friends. I would not however, do anything to assist someone that has your point of view; I'd just sit and watch what happens to you.

Of course i would expect nothing less from a someone who has the contempt of everything that makes no sense to them....you have the right to your views however small they may be, perhaps one day if you are lucky enough you may get to view the world from a perspective that is different...

As a single note of a musical instrument can allow for the beginning of a symphony, so, too, does the act of one brave man allow for the possibility of others.

The act of this man should be honored, and praised.

Behold a worthy sight, to which the God, turning his attention to his own work, may direct his gaze. Behold an equal thing, worthy of a God, a brave man matched in conflict with evil fortune. -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Bravery this man had, or rather has, in abundance...but also love. No one has greater love than this--a man laying down his life for his friends, his family, complete strangers.

I don't know this man, nor will I ever know him. Tonight, and forever more, he rests under the wings of angels. Blessing upon him.

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

My favorite deflection tactic when a terrorist attack occurs can be applied here.

One man does not represent all Muslims.

#NotAllMuslims

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
So go on and keep telling me how I don't know Muslims.

The ones you 'seem' to know are getting by. They're not dealing with adversity. They're also probably talking about the infidels in their midst behind your back.

You don't know. Stop being an apologist.

Seeing as how they regularly denounce and talk down the violence when it happens I think I'll trust them over you. Thank you very much.

originally posted by: seagull
That is a man who can stand before God, however she calls herself, upright with nothing to be ashamed of.

Fascinating. This 'God' you mention, he allowed not alone this innocent man to be killed, depriving his family and friends of the rest of his life, but also this absolute sick f**k who decided to try and kill people in the name of....'God'.

I find is entertaining yet sad that the religious stand on either side of the same fairy tale, each convinced they are 'right' when both are categorically wrong.

a reply to: ketsuko

I could say all the same things about Christians... exactly the same things. So where does that leave your lame argument?

a reply to: seagull

I see a good man who did the right thing. Something that, quite honestly, I'm not sure I could do.

Yah, you could. If you see the 'rightness' of it, yah... you could.

Of course, it might not occur to you at the time...

originally posted by: Ellie Sagan
I think it's important for this story to be seen. It is about a man who saved a lot of lives by stopping a suicide bomber by hugging him and setting off the bomb, killing them both of course. I don't know what else to add. I think it's great to see something like this though. Maybe he can be the hero and cause more Muslims to stand up to the terrorists.

According to a Joint Operations spokesman in Iraq, the attack caused 70 injuries. Instead of hundreds dying, only 37 were killed because of the heroic actions of a single Muslim man.

Also, never really spoken of in the mainstream:

Last December, 70,000 clerics came together, representing the majority of the Muslim world and publicly denounced ISIS as a threat to humanity. Also, a Duke University study found more terrorism suspects and perpetrators were brought to the attention of law enforcement by members of the Muslim-American community than were discovered through U.S. government investigations. And a Pew survey found that roughly half of U.S. Muslims say their religious leaders aren’t speaking out enough against Islamic extremism, reports CNN.

thefreethoughtproject.com...

Its a shame you decided to tarnish your post by calling people Islamophobes. You would likely call me one based upon my views and some of my posts...but you would be wrong. You see, I don't hate any group. But when I see and hear a lot of bad things being executed by a group...any group...I get concerned. I educate myself and sometimes get even more concerned. Then I try to look at the whole group where only 1% or so actually execute anything evil. But I see the rest doing little if anything...I realize their religion give them permission to lie to the infidel to hide their true intent and then see how many, especially overseas, allow these evils.

I judge a person based upon who that person is...their character, they past history and their being. But when I, or any of us don't have that opportunity, we have no choice but to judge based upon the group. That is human nature and how life works. You generalize when you don't have specific information.

Yes...I'm very concerned about Muslims. But this one...the one in your OP...he is one of the good ones. I hope there are more and I hope they will flood their religion with their good, instead of allowing it to flood with the bad. But in the meantime...I will remain cautious.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
So go on and keep telling me how I don't know Muslims.

The ones you 'seem' to know are getting by. They're not dealing with adversity. They're also probably talking about the infidels in their midst behind your back.

You don't know. Stop being an apologist.

Seeing as how they regularly denounce and talk down the violence when it happens I think I'll trust them over you. Thank you very much.

Cool beans. Just remember, one of the tenants of Islam is that it is okay to lie to the infidel.

Do you know the old adage, "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."?

Maybe you'll open up the lyrics and read along as Roger tells you a story in a context you may not have heard before.

I learned my lessons back in the late 70s. Are you capable of learning from 'other's mistakes'?

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

A man died trying to minimize the damage of a suicide bomber. I struggle to see how this is a good news story that paints (Extremist) Islam in a good light. People shouldn't have to sacrifice themselves to protect others from religious fanatics of ANY RELIGION.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not an Islamaphobe. I hate all religions equally. They're ALL part of the problem to some degree. And this man WAS a hero, I'll admit that. But it's all still death in the name of God/Allah/Daddy/Whatever. It's gotta stop. I don't care if they're Muslims or Christians or Mormons or Buddhists, killing innocent people for your God is not the way. It can't be. It's too evil and disgusting to be the way of any true God or Creator. What kind of Creator sends his creations to war over what name they call Him (or Her or Whatever)?

And ALL traditional religions claim their God to be the only True God, and declare that all non-followers are infidels and heathens undeserving of their God's love and mercy. So based on that sentiment I'd say that religion itself is the culprit here, though some are worse than others in terms of violence. Obviously some Muslims have taken their book more seriously than the other religions, but they're all toxic. They all have to go before we do 'in the name of God'.

If God exists then they're all gonna be mighty disappointed when they die and God is too embarrassed to even look at them.