Take that Islamophobes — Muslim Man Dies Saving Hundreds of Lives by Hugging a Suicide Bomber

I'd like to think that if there is 'god', call it what you will, that sacrificing one's own life for the sake of saving others' lives, with the hope they can learn of your faith would be the definition of a martyr.

The dead cannot be led to anywhere; their fate is sealed, so to speak.

At least while they are alive, they can learn.
Kill them all and there is no one left to teach.

I will leave the actions of those without compassion to those who would rather live and die with hate in their hear than die with love.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Everything I have typed thus far was not a copy and paste. My own words. Verify for yourself, copy what you think I've plagiarized and see if anything comes up in a search.

As for the comparing Islam to Nazism, I'm sorry if you are offended but it needs to be said. Did you even know the Bosniak Muslims were an auxiliary army to Hitler? Did you know the Mufti of Palestine met with Hitler to discuss their commonalities? It's all true and verifiable.

a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

There is no "love" for infidels and you need to take my word for that. Islam is not inclusive

Are Jews and Christians infidels?

Ah yes, the most infamous argument. Why aren't muslims killing muslims in the west if Islam is a bad religion. Simple to answer actually.

I didn't ask that.

Let me ask again, I cant make it any more simple than I ready have so this will be the last time trying to ask a simple question based on your statement that Islam is attacking the west.

You quoted the 1st question but somehow interpreted that I asked why aren't Muslims killing Muslims, not sure how you came to this.

The second question just under the one you quoted was shouldn't Muslims be killing and dying in the name of Allah all over the west if Islam (like you stated ) is at war with the west?


Islam is not at war with the west, just because some Muslims claim to be at war with the west does not mean Islam is at war with the west just like how you agree not all Muslims are bad.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Is France part of the West? or just N. America? You're asking why we're not seeing mass killing in the US of everyone (not just hypocrite Muslims) if Islam is "supposedly" at war with the West. I already explained why. Give it time.

ETA: Almost forgot.

Christians and Jews are unbelievers. AKA infidels. However, they are the "people of the book" so there is some acknowledgment but not to the point of peacefulness you wish there was. They are still oppressed. The Jews got it wrong and corrupted what god had said according Islam. For example, it wasn't Eve who ate the apple, it was Adam. Jesus was only a prophet and didn't die on the cross, it was mistaken identity. So "they" meaning "allah" sent Muhammad as the last prophet to correct everything the Jews and Christians got wrong. So there is some understanding but as long as you don't believe Muhammad was the true prophet, you will be an unbeliever. It's actually quite complicated.

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

Rest In Peace for this hero, showing to the world that its not Islam in general that causes terror !
The world, especially the Muslim world, needs to stand up against any form of terror or the like!
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70.000 looks like a big number, its a start, but we need millions of Muslims to stand up and work togheter within their communities to weed out the radicalist!
They should openly confront any imam that preaches radicalism!
and so on!
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This problem needs the good Muslims to come togheter and form a united barrier to make a front line defense to stop the "fight" in its tracks !!!

originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
a reply to: InhaleExhale

Is France part of the West? or just N. America? You're asking why we're not seeing mass killing in the US of everyone (not just hypocrite Muslims) if Islam is "supposedly" at war with the West. I already explained why. Give it time.

No the west. any western cultural country.

France, the US, Australia, etc

If Islam is at war with the west then my next door neighbour should have tried to kill quite a few us in the neighbourhood because we aren't Muslims but are westerners.

If Islam was at war with the west there would be no Muslims living peacefully in the west, they would be at war and killing and dying in the name of Allah not just a few radicals.

Hence why I say its terrorism at war with the west and not Islam.

Ahh, just like i thought... you mention France because the media has you hypnotized

Just like any other time there has a been a terrorist attack the hate filled people come out and blame Islam and make idiotic statements like Islam is at war with the west. Bla bla bla.

I hope in time people like yourselves wake up to the manipulation, this being westerners that think like you and also religious people that become fanatical and radical.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ketsuko

This is so ignorant it's not even funny. You make it sound like Muslims are some mysterious group of people. They are humans just like everyone else. There are good ones and bad ones. It isn't hard to figure out which is which either. The one blowing people up is clearly the bad one. The one preaching peace and tolerance is a good one.

Stop pretending like these people are some others that behave differently than other humans. They are humans just like you and I. Ignorance like yours prevents us from bridging our misconceptions and overcoming these difficulties we experience between our two cultures.

Pahleeze, it is apparent that you have not lived in a muslim community. There are many different personalities in the muslim world, however there are only three types that matter:

The ones that will do harm to further their agenda.
The ones who will watch the above.
The rare person that goes against his religion for moral reasons.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

When I asked if France is in the west, it was a rhetorical question to get you thinking. Of course France is the west, hence my comment on Islam at war with the West. You don't think when 10 Mohammads in a row responsible for killing tourists and nationals doesn't reflect Islam?? Of course it does.

If Islam is at war with the west then my next door neighbour should have tried to kill quite a few us in the neighbourhood because we aren't Muslims but are westerners. If Islam was at war with the west there would be no Muslims living peacefully in the west, they would be at war and killing and dying in the name of Allah not just a few radicals.

I knew that was were you were going a page ago. I didn't misunderstand your question at all. I answered it specifically. Your comment here is the prime example of logical fallacies. it's a non-sequitur 100%. So to reiterate your statement, Islam is not at war with the west because no Muslim has tried to kill you and they co-exist with infidels peacefully. Absolutely false. Using your logic I can say Nazism is a peaceful ideology because no Germans have tried to kill me and there are many many nice Nazi's living among us.

BUT, according to you, France doesn't count. All of Europe doesn't count either then. News flash, Europe is burning.

I hope in time people like yourselves wake up to the manipulation, this being westerners that think like you and also religious people that become fanatical and radical.

I shake my head in despair if you think I'm being manipulated. You don't even know you don't know how badly you've been manipulated. The powers that be are dividing us by telling us there is nothing to fear while forcing upon us a political system diametrically opposite to our values. And that goes for BLM as well. Both are being used to divide and conquer. Just because DR. Frankenstein made a monster, doesn't mean we shouldn't be afraid of the monster.

a reply to: notmyrealname

I happen to work with Muslims everyday. One of them is my direct supervisor and my company's CEO's are both Muslims. I have two more in my department and the company is filled with many more Muslims. So go on and keep telling me how I don't know Muslims. It's pretty funny to me to watch you stick your foot in your mouth.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You only know what you see on the surface. And no one is denying that peaceful Muslims exist. I concede I concede!! Not all Muslims are bad. Easy peasy 1-2-3. Not all Muslims are bad.

Now, can we talk about the ideology?

a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

You only know what you see on the surface.

That is true for anyone. How many mass shootings have happened and the interviews after the fact about the shooter go something like this, "Well he was always such a quiet boy..."? The fact is that no one knows what anyone is thinking at any given time, but in this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty. The mere ability to commit a crime doesn't make them guilty or deserving of suspicion.

You keep wanting to talk about ideology, but I keep telling you that is irrelevant in the scope of this conversation. Ideology is open to individual interpretation. This is beyond obvious because Christians do it all the time. But then again if you want to bring up ideology, YOU aren't even distinguishing between Sunnis and Shiias. And even then, I've already said that it is specifically Wahhabism (which is within the Sunni sect) that are the violent ones.

a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

Never be afraid of the monster !!
It accomplishes nothing, but strengthen unfounded fears !!
Confront the monster within onesselves, to stand strong against the monster that one made for you !!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What have black and Mexican people got to do with robbery and murder?

That's pretty racist, man. Not because you can't pick out the murderer, but that you associated those crimes with those people. Which is exactly what you're condemning (and rightly so, I add).

To me, it pretty much shows that you must think radicalisation IS a Muslim "thing" on some level, even if you don't realise it.

So, I understand your passion. Your head made a connection (how could it not, we're bombarded with it), but your heart knows better.

Welcome to the boat, meet everyone.

We're all fighting the same battle.

It's hardly surprising people are drawing the conclusions that they are.

a reply to: SlowNail

I really didn't want to make that comparison but I felt it was apt considering the example I was trying to present. When I selected those crimes I picked the most racist ones because that those are the racist accusations people level at those groups. They are ALL ridiculous accusations that have no barring on race or religion.

To me, it pretty much shows that you must think radicalisation IS a Muslim "thing" on some level, even if you don't realise it.

Of course it is a "thing". I'm not denying that terrorists exist. I just don't think it is a threat in any shape or form to the United States of America. More akin to a bee sting. Yes these events are shocking and terrible for the people involved, but at the end of the day I have more to fear walking down the street in Baltimore city than I do from a group of Muslims.

a reply to: Dimirszadex

Confront the monster with a pitchfork and send it back to where it came from. One can not have bravery without fear.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

You only know what you see on the surface.

That is true for anyone. How many mass shootings have happened and the interviews after the fact about the shooter go something like this, "Well he was always such a quiet boy..."? The fact is that no one knows what anyone is thinking at any given time, but in this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty. The mere ability to commit a crime doesn't make them guilty or deserving of suspicion.

You keep wanting to talk about ideology, but I keep telling you that is irrelevant in the scope of this conversation. Ideology is open to individual interpretation. This is beyond obvious because Christians do it all the time. But then again if you want to bring up ideology, YOU aren't even distinguishing between Sunnis and Shiias. And even then, I've already said that it is specifically Wahhabism (which is within the Sunni sect) that are the violent ones.

I can agree with you some more. You're 100% correct, it is the Sunni sect doing this. The reason it wasn't said earlier is because everyone wants to keep talking about people or comparing it to people. But it's not irrelevant, it has everything to do with what's going on. The Sunni or Wahhabi ideology is the most extreme of all 73 sects and they are what make up the majority. We should have the ability to call it out but are quickly labeled as haters to shame us into silence. Like you said, it's open to interpretation so how can we have faith violence will not be carried as per the most orthodox version of Islam (Sunni)? It has already begun! And now we need to talk about it. And you can't talk about it unless you know what they know or come to understand why they do what they do.

Did you know, the Paris Massacre last November, the cops were silent about some new information that came out yesterday. Some of the victims were mutilated, one had his testicles chopped off and stuffed in his mouth. Another their eyes gouged out and eviscerated. A decapitation and a multitude of horrible nightmarish things. Not a word to the public. This is what we're dealing with. Sunnis. National born ones too.

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

As Marcus Luttrell knows, there are ample very good Muslims in this world. It's that 10% that want to behead or strap a bomb on you that we need to worry about!

originally posted by: Bearack
a reply to: Ellie Sagan

As Marcus Luttrell knows, there are ample very good Muslims in this world. It's that 10% that want to behead or strap a bomb on you that we need to worry about!

10% of 1.6 billion is like 160,000,000......It's not a "tiny minority".

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

Thanks for this, it is so tiring seeing people throw everyone in the same box and label it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: notmyrealname

I happen to work with Muslims everyday. One of them is my direct supervisor and my company's CEO's are both Muslims. I have two more in my department and the company is filled with many more Muslims. So go on and keep telling me how I don't know Muslims. It's pretty funny to me to watch you stick your foot in your mouth.

This is a purely anecdotal argument, as you well know. Sometimes I wonder about your arguments. Anyway, facts are facts.

The fact that Islam, as a religion, is anathema to the way of life we have come to accept in the west is irrefutable. Nothing about Islam is worth fighting for in a struggle.

Sorry, but Islam does not belong in the west unless it changes its ideology wholesale.