Origin of Non-human knowledge in antiquity

originally posted by: zinc12You could argue that it is psychological self hypnosis but that would not negate the fact that those consulting such people truly believe they are communicating with gods/daemons.
My point being that when ancients say they obtained knowledge from gods people need not jump to extraterrestrials to understand this.

Actually, I would argue that you've barely researched this at all and if you think you have communicated with a non human entity, or that they even exist, then you need medical help. If you would like to argue using facts rather than assumptions then you might have something worth talking about, currently you don't...

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: zinc12You could argue that it is psychological self hypnosis but that would not negate the fact that those consulting such people truly believe they are communicating with gods/daemons.
My point being that when ancients say they obtained knowledge from gods people need not jump to extraterrestrials to understand this.

Actually, I would argue that you've barely researched this at all and if you think you have communicated with a non human entity, or that they even exist, then you need medical help. If you would like to argue using facts rather than assumptions then you might have something worth talking about, currently you don't...

OK so everyone who prays to God, makes offerings at temples etc all need medical help?

The dalai lama also needs medical help

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: zinc12You could argue that it is psychological self hypnosis but that would not negate the fact that those consulting such people truly believe they are communicating with gods/daemons.
My point being that when ancients say they obtained knowledge from gods people need not jump to extraterrestrials to understand this.

Actually, I would argue that you've barely researched this at all and if you think you have communicated with a non human entity, or that they even exist, then you need medical help. If you would like to argue using facts rather than assumptions then you might have something worth talking about, currently you don't...

OK so everyone who prays to God, makes offerings at temples etc all need medical help?

The dalai lama also needs medical help

No, just everyone who has a two way conversation with a non human entity
There's no wiggle room here

Your claim is that in the past humanity has been taught science by non human entities, if you knew anything at all about what archaeology says on the matter, then you'd realise that it didn't happen like that...

here's a brief history of metallurgy, from wiki

The earliest recorded metal employed by humans appears to be gold which can be found free or "native." Small amounts of natural gold have been found in Spanish caves used during the late Paleolithic period, c. 40,000 BC.[3] Silver, copper, tin and meteoric iron can also be found in native form, allowing a limited amount of metalworking in early cultures.[4] Egyptian weapons made from meteoric iron in about 3000 BC were highly prized as "daggers from heaven."[5]

Certain metals, notably tin, lead and (at a higher temperature) copper, can be recovered from their ores by simply heating the rocks in a fire or blast furnace, a process known as smelting. The first evidence of this extractive metallurgy dates from the 5th and 6th millennium BC[6] and was found in the archaeological sites of Majdanpek, Yarmovac and Plocnik, all three in Serbia. To date, the earliest evidence of copper smelting is found at the Belovode site,[7] including a copper axe from 5500 BC belonging to the Vinča culture.[8] Other signs of early metals are found from the third millennium BC in places like Palmela (Portugal), Los Millares (Spain), and Stonehenge (United Kingdom). However, the ultimate beginnings cannot be clearly ascertained and new discoveries are both continuous and ongoing.

The extraction of iron from its ore into a workable metal is much more difficult than for copper or tin. The process appears to have been invented by the Hittites in about 1200 BC, beginning the Iron Age. The secret of extracting and working iron was a key factor in the success of the Philistines.[5][9]

Historical developments in ferrous metallurgy can be found in a wide variety of past cultures and civilizations. This includes the ancient and medieval kingdoms and empires of the Middle East and Near East, ancient Iran, ancient Egypt, ancient Nubia, and Anatolia (Turkey), Ancient Nok, Carthage, the Greeks and Romans of ancient Europe, medieval Europe, ancient and medieval China, ancient and medieval India, ancient and medieval Japan, amongst others. Many applications, practices, and devices associated or involved in metallurgy were established in ancient China, such as the innovation of the blast furnace, cast iron, hydraulic-powered trip hammers, and double acting piston bellows.[10][11]

A 16th century book by Georg Agricola called De re metallica describes the highly developed and complex processes of mining metal ores, metal extraction and metallurgy of the time. Agricola has been described as the "father of metallurgy".

now if you read that tell me, at what point and where globally did your non human entity step in and give advice.
if you didn't read it, Those are the ugly facts.

a reply to: Marduk

As you can see from the vid in the OP a two-way conversation is taking place so the dalai lama must be mentally sick !


As for your quote about the evolution of the knowledge of metals it is written by modern people from their modern perspective the ancients however say they first learned the knowledge of working with metals from the gods, fallen angels, daemons etc

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Marduk

As you can see from the vid in the OP a two-way conversation is taking place so the dalai lama must be mentally sick !


As for your quote about the evolution of the knowledge of metals it is written by modern people from their modern perspective the ancients however say they first learned the knowledge of working with metals from the gods, fallen angels, daemons etc

Quote "the ancients" saying this.

Harte

a reply to: zinc12

I think easier daemonic contact has to do with the fact they're just closer to us, and offerings, prayer, morality are things that allow focused energy and dedication to cross the earth (etheric) where the gods don't live. I think we're settlers with a weak communication link to home.

a reply to: Harte

Prometheus taught humans the use of fire, working of metals according to Greek mythology

The Sumerians say the Annunakis taught them many basics of civilisation

The Egyptians say the same of the neteru

The Celts also have their triple gods of craft

1 Enoch 8:1–3a reads:

And Azazel taught men to make swords and knives and shields and breastplates; and made known to them the metals [of the earth] and the art of working them; and bracelets and ornaments; and the use of antimony and the beautifying of the eyelids; and all kinds of costly stones and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray and became corrupt in all their ways.

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Harte

Prometheus taught humans the use of fire, working of metals according to Greek mythology

The Sumerians say the Annunakis taught them many basics of civilisation

The Egyptians say the same of the neteru

The Celts also have their triple gods of craft

1 Enoch 8:1–3a reads:

And Azazel taught men to make swords and knives and shields and breastplates; and made known to them the metals [of the earth] and the art of working them; and bracelets and ornaments; and the use of antimony and the beautifying of the eyelids; and all kinds of costly stones and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray and became corrupt in all their ways.

People were making things out of metal for millennia before Enoch was written. Before Azazel was dreamed up.
None of the rest look like quotes to me. For example, the Sumerians never said anything like you claim about the Anunnaki.
The use of fire by humans dates back millions of years. Millions. The use of fire and metals predates the cultures you are attempting to point to here by a very long time. So long, in fact, that these cultures had no idea where the methods originated.

Please quote from the actual ancient texts regarding these beliefs. Is it that hard?

Harte

Here are just two there are similar mythology in all ancient civilisations of Earth, they all say they were taught rudiments of civilisation through communicating with non-humans.

The Apkallu (Akkadian), or Abgal (Sumerian), are seven Sumerian sages, demigods who are said to have been created by the god Enki (Akkadian: Ea) to establish culture and give civilization to mankind. They were noted for having been saved during the flood. They served as priests of Enki and as advisors or sages to the earliest kings of Sumer before the flood. They are credited with giving mankind the Me (moral code), the crafts, and the arts. They were seen as fish-like men who emerged from the sweet water Abzu. They are commonly represented as having the lower torso of a fish, or dressed as a fish.

en.wikipedia.org...

Before his theft of fire, Prometheus played a decisive role in the Titanomachy, securing victory for Zeus and the other Olympians. Zeus's torture of Prometheus thus becomes a particularly harsh betrayal. The scope and character of Prometheus' transgressions against Zeus are also widened. In addition to giving humankind fire, Prometheus claims to have taught them the arts of civilization, such as writing, mathematics, agriculture, medicine, and science. The Titan's greatest benefaction for humankind seems to have been saving them from complete destruction. In an apparent twist on the myth of the so-called Five Ages of Man found in Hesiod's Works and Days (wherein Cronus and, later, Zeus created and destroyed five successive races of humanity), Prometheus asserts that Zeus had wanted to obliterate the human race, but that he somehow stopped him.

en.wikipedia.org...

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originally posted by: zinc12
The Egyptians say the same of the neteru

Your source is mistaken. "Netjeru" is a word that means "gods" and not all gods offered knowledge - and it was a different god, depending on which era you are talking about. Metal is never mentioned as being something given by a specific god.

Early on, they believed Osiris taught them "all the civilizing things" and later it was attributed to Ptah and then to Thoth. Ptah (the craftsmen's god) was probably the closest to the idea, but Ptah is a potter and not a metalworker like Hephaestus or Vulcan or other divine smiths.

I think the "Annunaki" link is also wrong, since Ea was the deity of mining and Gebel the deity of metalworking and neither is an Annunaki (minor deity.)

Also, Greek civilization and those myths are pretty recent (after 1500 BC)

originally posted by: zinc12
The Sumerians say the Annunakis taught them many basics of civilisation

The Sumerians say they learned the arts of civilisation from a fisherman called Adapa...
Only Sitchin makes the claim that the Annunaki were involved so I'd have to question your source on that one.

Their claims about Adapa post date the use of Bronze by over 2000 years

Have you actually done any research at all ?

a reply to: Marduk

well your Avatar is actually of a Apkallu, one of these non humans that humans according to the ancients acquired knowledge from


en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:A_pair_of_protective_spirits,_Apkallu,_from_Nimrud..JPG

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Marduk

well your Avatar is actually of a Apkallu, one of these non humans that humans according to the ancients acquired knowledge from


en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:A_pair_of_protective_spirits,_Apkallu,_from_Nimrud..JPG

Actually, his avatar is Marduk and not an Apallu - you can tell by the turban style and by what he's carrying in his hands. You can see the image on Wikipedia's page on Marduk: en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Marduk

well your Avatar is actually of a Apkallu, one of these non humans that humans according to the ancients acquired knowledge from


en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:A_pair_of_protective_spirits,_Apkallu,_from_Nimrud..JPG

Lol, they are sometimes described as half human and were capable of producing offspring with humans, that sound non human to you ?
These are just deified early priests, bit like the popes...

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Marduk

well your Avatar is actually of a Apkallu, one of these non humans that humans according to the ancients acquired knowledge from


en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:A_pair_of_protective_spirits,_Apkallu,_from_Nimrud..JPG

Actually, his avatar is Marduk and not an Apallu - you can tell by the turban style and by what he's carrying in his hands. You can see the image on Wikipedia's page on Marduk: en.wikipedia.org...

Gotta give the guy some credit. Apkallus are often portrayed in the same pose.
The majority of people here think that's an Anunnaki, even when it is an Apkallu.

Harte