*****Republican National Convention thread. Let the games begin.*****

People say Hillary will out-debate Trump when the time comes. But do people forget that Trump vanquished a dozen+ good debaters in the GOP? Some of those candidates in the GOP were the "Chosen ones" - Especially Jeb Bush and Rubio. The way Trump debates by using smoke screens and getting down in the mud, is rough on debaters who aren't used to that style of attacks. A lot of debaters aren't comfortable getting off script, which is exactly what Trump is a master of. Hillary is absolutely AWFUL when shes off script. I can see her folding when Trump starts his usual barrage of attacks.

This wont be the friendly Bernie vs Hillary debates coming up. Shes gonna have to throw blows and get down and dirty and honestly, I don't think shes capable of it. Hillary is better suited for a civil debate where she doesn't have to get off script. This will be FAR from civil.

So Trump doesn't necessarily have to out-debate her as much as he has to muddy the waters like hes great at doing. In the end, I think doing what got him here will be enough.

And know whats funny? People say well, Hillary is going to throw around things Trump refuses to discuss. Well, there are a lot of things ole Hillary refuses to discuss as well.

This wont be your typical debate folks. You wont hear much "policy". Its going to be who character assassinates the best.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Well, I found and read his speech and it really is like some have said that it is like he is running for classroom president.

IMO it is always best to read a speech minus the emotion and hand-waving or body language to get to the core.

Most of what he claimed he would do isn't possible to accomplish as a president. If he was an emperor that would be a different story.

Basically, his speech left me with more questions than answers.

Yes, that's my method.

I read through it (not studied it). Definitely pandering to his base, but I guess that's what you do at the conventions.

What happens when he tells China what to do and they say NO!

I don't know if "negotiations" is really something Trump does.

One question at a time. How is he going to accomplish this? Marshall Law?

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon — and I mean very soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

originally posted by: -Blackout-
People say Hillary will out-debate Trump when the time comes.

Hillary knows policy, Trump doesn't.

Serious minded people what to hear policy.

Emotional people just want to be fired up.

If the president was chosen by a team of political scholars - - - I don't think Trump would have a chance.

Public voters? Who knows.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I've provided more than twenty already.

Read the thread.

I have been involved the entire way through the thread from the start - you have said nothing tangible that could support your claim of Trump and his supporters being worse than Nazi's. All I see are wild accusations, pictures of Mussolini and huge leaps to judgement.

I hear a lot on ATS about 'playing to fears' being a fascist tactic, and yet the accusers usually post pictures of Hitler and Mussolini as part of their argument... ironic.

UK, the fact that you don't agree with what I've said, doesn't mean I haven't said it. You're one of several posters here who use the "tell a big lie" propagandizing tactic and simply negate what others have said or demonstrated or deny that they've said it.

It is absolutely unsurprising, given your worshipful adoration of everything Republican, everything Trump, that your perspective is skewed. I can only state the facts of the matter, I can't make you see them.

I would guess, as a TTB (Trump Tru-Believer™) you really can't see what I've said here, or what anyone else has said, that demonstrates anything contrary to The Message. That doesn't mean that anyone is going to stop pointing the actual truth out.

OK, do me one favour then and select just one of your points that show Trump is worse than a Nazi (or indeed fascist). I have looked at them all. I don't mind criticism of Trump and have been critical on certain things myself, but I am not going to agree with extreme claims and a tactic of association to brand Trump (and his supporters) as a fascist(s).

I am negating what you have said, or denying that you have said it. I just don't see how what you have said has any basis in fact in terms of labelling Trump a fascist.

FACT: The majority of law enforcement in this country happens at the State and local level.

Yet, Mr. Trump tells us he's going to restore "law and order" on Day One (that's going to be a busy day!).

How? Establish an (unconstitutional) Federal Police Force? National Guard? Declare martial law?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: -Blackout-
People say Hillary will out-debate Trump when the time comes.

Hillary knows policy, Trump doesn't.

Serious minded people what to hear policy.

Emotional people just want to be fired up.

If the president was chosen by a team of political scholars - - - I don't think Trump would have a chance.

Public voters? Who knows.

Its going to be tit for tat. Hillary isn't going to destroy Trump during the debates like some think she will due to Trump's style and how he debates these things. This entire election process has been very unconventional and full of surprises. I expect many more.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Well, I found and read his speech and it really is like some have said that it is like he is running for classroom president.

IMO it is always best to read a speech minus the emotion and hand-waving or body language to get to the core.

Most of what he claimed he would do isn't possible to accomplish as a president. If he was an emperor that would be a different story.

Basically, his speech left me with more questions than answers.

Yes, that's my method.

I read through it (not studied it). Definitely pandering to his base, but I guess that's what you do at the conventions.

What happens when he tells China what to do and they say NO!

I don't know if "negotiations" is really something Trump does.

One question at a time. How is he going to accomplish this? Marshall Law?

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon — and I mean very soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

You just asked what in my view is THE important question. Trump made a lot of promises last night and I am not sure he can achieve them all. I don't think he needs to provide detailed plans - but I'd at least like to see some form of summary to show the progams that will be defunded and the ones that will be funded.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Obama weighs in on Trump's speech (via CNN)...

Unfortunate juxtaposition of stories.

edition.cnn.com...
(Thanks to Unbreakable)

Let the Libs and the Left continually leave their heads in the sand. Smart folks know who to vote for coming up.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Then Trump would have an issue with us as bad as Obamas or worse depending on how far he pushed that idea.

a reply to: UKTruth

Have I asked you to agree? Do you think I'm trying to prove something to you or the rest of the TTB?

I'm not.

Out of curiosity and decorum, however ... why don't you give me your definition of "fascism"?

I'd give you mine, but that would be pointless. So, tell me what a fascist is, and I'll show you how Mr. Trump either meets or exceeds that definition.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

Then Trump would have an issue with us as bad as Obamas or worse depending on how far he pushed that idea.

Cav, who do you refer to when you say "us"?

Exactly.

a reply to: Annee

HANG on ,are you enjoying THIS CURRENT POLICY?

a reply to: -Blackout-

So ... now we're back to the school-yard argument?

If we don't agree with you, we're dumb? *guffaw*

On the contrary, anyone, of any intellectual capability, that cannot see that Mr. Trump is experientially, emotionally, developmentally, and probably legally, unqualified to be the President of the United States simply isn't paying attention.

Let's assume that Mr. Trump and the RNC had produced this inspiring, uplifting, awesome event that so many acolytes here seem to perceive, tell us why, on the very next morning after that "historical event" Mr. Trump is whining and trying to pick a fight with the guy he beat? Does that strike you as "Presidential" in any way? Or the behavior of a spoiled man-child that perceived some small slight from Mr. Cruz?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face ..

originally posted by: Gryphon66
FACT: The majority of law enforcement in this country happens at the State and local level.

Yet, Mr. Trump tells us he's going to restore "law and order" on Day One (that's going to be a busy day!).

How? Establish an (unconstitutional) Federal Police Force? National Guard? Declare martial law?

Or maybe it's nothing to do with any of those?

He might increase funding for the FBI, The US Marshalls Service, the DEA, ATF, DHS.. more equipment, more training, new powers? Maybe he is going to provide more support to local police in terms of man power? There is a point about him not being specific, but not sure speculation to paint him as unconstitutional is very fair.

a reply to: UKTruth

He might give the FBI et. al. "new powers?" All on his own? Sure, why not. Damn the Constitution.

Federal law enforcement still does not have primary jurisdiction in the States nor in the cities, nor in the counties.

Next?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Combat vets who hate bullies enough to attack anyone who tries that in our country again.
I think we will see an Islamic purge of the government (Fired from their jobs,not shot)and he'll make his own choices based on the best outcome.
I want all the a military personnel reviewed for reinstatement and the current batch in favor of T.V. troops and women in combat units to be gone.
COMMANDS will just have to develop a more cognizant rank structure,rather than put all women at risk so a few achieve their ideals.
BACK to the gold standard ,WE just don't have time for it all.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: -Blackout-

So ... now we're back to the school-yard argument?

If we don't agree with you, we're dumb? *guffaw*
On the contrary, anyone, of any intellectual capability, that cannot see that Mr. Trump is experientially, emotionally, developmentally, and probably legally, unqualified to be the President of the United States simply isn't paying attention.

Let's assume that Mr. Trump and the RNC had produced this inspiring, uplifting, awesome event that so many acolytes here seem to perceive, tell us why, on the very next morning after that "historical event" Mr. Trump is whining and trying to pick a fight with the guy he beat? Does that strike you as "Presidential" in any way? Or the behavior of a spoiled man-child?

Oh, and Hillary is a Saint I guess? Hillary is a great human being who farts rainbows and unicorns? Also, the Clinton name is such a GREAT name. Its a well respectable name eh? People just love the Clintons...........

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
FACT: The majority of law enforcement in this country happens at the State and local level.

Yet, Mr. Trump tells us he's going to restore "law and order" on Day One (that's going to be a busy day!).

How? Establish an (unconstitutional) Federal Police Force? National Guard? Declare martial law?

Or maybe it's nothing to do with any of those?

He might increase funding for the FBI, The US Marshalls Service, the DEA, ATF, DHS.. more equipment, more training, new powers? Maybe he is going to provide more support to local police in terms of man power? There is a point about him not being specific, but not sure speculation to paint him as unconstitutional is very fair.

Don't you think those are the kind of specifics that he should have spoke about having now billed himself as the 'Law & Order' candidate?

I do.

Why are you/we having to speculate?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Well, I found and read his speech and it really is like some have said that it is like he is running for classroom president.

IMO it is always best to read a speech minus the emotion and hand-waving or body language to get to the core.

Most of what he claimed he would do isn't possible to accomplish as a president. If he was an emperor that would be a different story.

Basically, his speech left me with more questions than answers.

Yes, that's my method.

I read through it (not studied it). Definitely pandering to his base, but I guess that's what you do at the conventions.

What happens when he tells China what to do and they say NO!

I don't know if "negotiations" is really something Trump does.

One question at a time. How is he going to accomplish this? Marshall Law?

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon — and I mean very soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

You just asked what in my view is THE important question. Trump made a lot of promises last night and I am not sure he can achieve them all. I don't think he needs to provide detailed plans - but I'd at least like to see some form of summary to show the progams that will be defunded and the ones that will be funded.

I think about the inner city shootings. Reminds me of the prohibition days. Except today is mostly drugs.

Probably everyone in the neighborhood knows what goes on, but you try to stay out of the way and keep your mouth shut.

"Gansters" own the neighborhoods. I'd guess most of those shootings are "business" related.

But, like countries in South America the "Gansters" are expanding out of their neighborhoods, spreading into the suburbs and cities. (and government, of course).

I worked with a guy from El Salvador. His family there had to store food and other survival stuff near the floor for access, so they could lay prone on the floor when the shooting started. Sometimes the shooting would continue for days. This could happen here. Actually, I think it is happening.

Its not an immigration problem.

So, of course, the bottom line is money. What's Trump gonna do? Stop the drug flow? Succeed where no one else has?

Short of Marshal Law and tanks in problem neighborhoods (like during the Watt's riots), I don't think he has a clue.

disturbing speech on many levels