Why Don't Black People Protest 'Black-on-Black Violence'?

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: TheBulk

Yes, they are targeted a lot more. My links are on my original reply, first one from the FBI.

What do you mean by targeted? If black men are committing over 50% of the violent crime, and they're only 13% of the population, doesn't it make sense that they would have a lot more run-ins with the cops? I don't see what point you're trying to make.

Do you think black crime should be ignored by police?

It's the funding.

The backers have to make money.

Focus on the money not the issue.

a reply to: TheBulk

Re-read my first post: rate of young black men killed by police were 5 times higher than white men.
Jeez, I won't repeat again, read my links.

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: Boadicea
90% of African American homicides are committed by other black people.
82% of Caucasian homicides are committed by other white people.
LINK
There's really no difference. However, in 2015 the rate of black young men killed by police was 5 times higher than black men. LINK

I'm so glad you added that -- thank you!

So yes, black people have the right to protest against police brutality based on skin colour.

Yes, they sure do... and all have a right (and I would say a moral duty) to protest police brutality on anyone and everyone for any and all applicable reasons.

Thank you for this thread!

You're welcome

originally posted by: TheBulk
What exactly are they doing? It only gets worse and worse every year not better. And then of course there is the media attention. Black people are in much more Danger from other black people then they are cops. It's not even close.

Yes. But the other people are not meant to be protecting and second them . It's two separate issues.

It's like asking why black people don't protest cars as they are more likely to die from a crash. It's irrelevant. Cops are meant to be protecting black people as much as white people. Not shooting them like animals.

I support BLM.

a reply to: Boadicea

It's encouraging to read that there are black people who acknowledge that there are very real internal problems with crime/violence within their own communities. Such an approach is far more productive and beneficial for black people as a whole than continually blaming all their issues on an external enemy.

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: TheBulk

Re-read my first post: rate of young black men killed by police were 5 times higher than white men.
Jeez, I won't repeat again, read my links.

Where are you getting these statistics? Please post them. Even if that's the case, it makes sense given the statistics. Why do you keep ignoring that such a small percentage of people is committing such a large majority of the crime? Do you think that it might have something to do with why more black men have encounters with cops?

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: TheBulk
What exactly are they doing? It only gets worse and worse every year not better. And then of course there is the media attention. Black people are in much more Danger from other black people then they are cops. It's not even close.

Yes. But the other people are not meant to be protecting and second them . It's two separate issues.

It's like asking why black people don't protest cars as they are more likely to die from a crash. It's irrelevant. Cops are meant to be protecting black people as much as white people. Not shooting them like animals.

I support BLM.

Do you contend that a majority of black men that are shot by the cops are completely innocent and did nothing to deserve it?

You support a racist organization. There is a plethora of information available to prove that.

originally posted by: xuenchen
It's the funding.

The backers have to make money.

Focus on the money not the issue.

Yes. For example, how much ya wanna bet that the Feds have already given more in grants to BLM than those other groups all put together in their entire existance???

originally posted by: TheBulk


Where are you getting these statistics? Please post them. Even if that's the case, it makes sense given the statistics. Why do you keep ignoring that such a small percentage of people is committing such a large majority of the crime? Do you think that it might have something to do with why more black men have encounters with cops?

For the 4th time: my links are on my first post, first one from the FBI.

And 25% of those young black men were unarmed, how do you justify that?

a reply to: Boadicea

That's right. The problem is in the nauseating term "black-on-black" violence, instead of just "violence". Of course law-abiding citizens are against the violence that occurs in their communities. "Black on black violence" is just as idiotic as "white on black violence" or "cop on black violence", and for the exact same reasons.

It's time to reassess the issues on this thread. LOL

Are there protests about Black on Black Crime.? Yes all over America. Every month, somewhere. The national media doesn't cover them.

Are there protests about any kinds of crime, white on white etc? Yes. There are panels and discussions all over America every week, whether it's about rape or muggings or meth etc.

Is there a real issue with police targeting minorities excessively? Yes. But it differs from community to community. The way police treat black people in Ferguson is much different then the way police treat black people in Las Vegas. What's the difference?

Why don't people trust the police? That's a police issue. PR, community involvement, training and diversity.

Why are some of you so interested in the specific details and statistics when we know there are problems in certain areas of the US.

Lastly, Where does most crime happen? In poor areas...areas with high unemployment and low economic development.

I've just given you all the answers you need. Diversify your police force, train them and get your police force out into the community and partner with your citizens. Reduce crime be targeting the economy. All of your problems are now solved.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: Boadicea

It's encouraging to read that there are black people who acknowledge that there are very real internal problems with crime/violence within their own communities. Such an approach is far more productive and beneficial for black people as a whole than continually blaming all their issues on an external enemy.

So very true. The greatest change always comes from within... the greatest empowerment is when we empower ourselves... and the greatest lessons we learn we learn from living. It's when we know better and when we do better that we can affect the greatest change without.

There is plenty of blame to go around, plenty of folks who need to do their part, but everyone benefits from being -- and doing -- their best.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Boadicea

That's right. The problem is in the nauseating term "black-on-black" violence, instead of just "violence". Of course law-abiding citizens are against the violence that occurs in their communities. "Black on black violence" is just as idiotic as "white on black violence" or "cop on black violence", and for the exact same reasons.

I completely understand... and I agree.

I hope and pray we get beyond this one day soon.

a reply to: Boadicea

Boad- I know You know that I'll call a 'spade' a "shovel"... I think the thread got short changed from the title because You've provided enough intel that if One were to take the time to peruse the articles, they would have gleaned those facts. There are some that these facts won't support their own narrative and will question the source of info. It doesn't help that the media won't air these stories as they don't sell newspapers and/or hits not to mention no cool hashtags#..

When I worked in a multi-cultural large city, the murder investigations would include Chaplain Services not for the religious angle but the Clergy would be able to quell their Parishioners.. (Thats why I always tried to work Sundays when I worked Patrol/Motors. Sunday was quiet until about noon.)

namaste

a reply to: JimNasium

Boad- I know You know that I'll call a 'spade' a "shovel"...

Yeah, I do... and I wouldn't have it any other way!

And thanks for the hometruths. There's a reason we hear what we hear and a reason we don't hear what we don't hear. We need to inform and inspire and empower each other. We are our best and only hope.

originally posted by: Agartha


90% of African American homicides are committed by other black people.
82% of Caucasian homicides are committed by other white people.
LINK
There's really no difference. However, in 2015 the rate of black young men killed by police was 5 times higher than black men. LINK

I'm going to attempt to use some actual numbers here so you can get a slightly better picture of what's actually happening.

First of all, the criminal rate of black males is more than 3x the normal male average in America...(6x higher than white males and 2.6x higher than hispanic males)

Black non-Hispanic males, with an incarceration rate of
4,749 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, were incarcerated
at a rate more than 6 times higher than white nonHispanic
males (708 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents)
and 2.6 times higher than Hispanic males (1,822 inmates
per 100,000 U.S. residents)

source

According to the US Census bureau(2015 statistics), 61.1% of the american population are whites, 13.3% are blacks and 17.6% are hispanic or latino. The total population estimate for 2015 was 321,418,820. Now for some simple math.

61% of 321.4m is roughly 196m.
13% of 321.4m is roughly 41.7m
and 17% of 321.4m is roughly 54.6m

It's estimated that 49% of the population are males...so we'll cut these numbers in half....giving us 98 million white males, 21 million black males and 27 million hispanic/latino males.

Please, to the best of your ability, explain to me why 21 million black males are committing 6 times more crime than 98 million white males? Or why 21 million black males are committing 2.6x more crime than 27 million hispanic/latino males? Do you not see a problem there?

Commit crime at a higher rate = pay the consequences at a higher rate....it makes sense...
A2D

(all my numbers are taken from the census bureau)

a reply to: LSU0408

If your only beef is with the name, that's a pretty weak argument...

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: TheBulk
What exactly are they doing? It only gets worse and worse every year not better. And then of course there is the media attention. Black people are in much more Danger from other black people then they are cops. It's not even close.

Yes. But the other people are not meant to be protecting and second them . It's two separate issues.

It's like asking why black people don't protest cars as they are more likely to die from a crash. It's irrelevant. Cops are meant to be protecting black people as much as white people. Not shooting them like animals.

I support BLM.

Do you contend that a majority of black men that are shot by the cops are completely innocent and did nothing to deserve it?

You support a racist organization. There is a plethora of information available to prove that.

I dont support the organisation per se, I support what their original cause is. I would NEVER condone whar hapoened in Dallas, but i understand their frustration and why what happened happened.

And regardless of whether the black men are innocent or not, it's not up to the police to decide. How can you guys not see that?

Because it does not work that way. Much like Different Strokes would have not worked with a white orphan saying:

"What are you talking about William?"