If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The agendas come from the saps trying to discredit evolution because they have trouble thinking long term.

"Long term" as in infinity? You mean the notion the Universe is infinite (meaning been there forever) and has had pretty much forever to fill with life?.

You also can't see the long (infinite) term, due to your own confirmation bias. You'll been trained your whole life to beginnings and endings...

No long term as in millions or billions of years

Stuck in Plato's Cave, right next to all the other "theoreticians"....lulz...

You clearly don't know the meaning of this story.

intrptr out.

(For future reference, that means I delete all subsequent inbox replies from this thread without reading them.)

Yeah because you realized you poked a bear and don't have the guts to retract your statement and apologize for being wrong.

I agree that he clearly doesn't understand the meaning of a scientific theory or of Plato's cave. According to Plato, we're all stuck in the cave, as it represents the nature of how human beings perceive reality.

a reply to: spy66

I'm not saying that technology hasn't influenced our evolution to some degree, but that isn't a reasonable excuse to dismiss natural evolution as a real concept.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spy66

I'm not saying that technology hasn't influenced our evolution to some degree, but that isn't a reasonable excuse to dismiss natural evolution as a real concept.

There is no way you can claim a Natural evolution to Our present sate becaue there is nothing Natural to Our way of living today.. Damn Our children have to be tought for about 20 years how to drift Our society/system. And only a few are capable of doing it at top Level. The rest are just ants doing what they are told by following man made laws.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lord man, give it up. He is not responding to words in English. Go tell to a tree - you would get better results, and you would be talking to a tree, which is kind of nice, every now and then.

I honestly can't figure out how, in this day and age, we're still having to explain the difference between an everyday-English theory and a scientific theory.

People who don't understand the difference have to be trolling at this point, don't they? I mean, this comes up in EVERY SINGLE EVOLUTION thread.


I repeat:
From en.wikipedia.org...

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

a reply to: olbe66

Yea you're right. That was my last attempt anyways. There is clearly no reasoning with the unreasonable.

originally posted by: olbe66
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lord man, give it up. He is not responding to words in English. Go tell to a tree - you would get better results, and you would be talking to a tree, which is kind of nice, every now and then.

Trees are awesome. I love them.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It was fun to watch....

a reply to: Greggers

It's always the same arguments in these threads. LITERALLY the same ones. All strawmen too...

a reply to: Krazysh0t
I called troll on my second post. Still, nice ride.

a reply to: olbe66

Yea I usually don't enter these threads anymore. The people who disagree aren't looking to learn. They just want to hear themselves speak.

a reply to: secretboss

Is this a serious question? Read something other that the Bible once in a while. Embarrassed for you.

a reply to: secretboss
To me it seems obvious why monkeys haven't become human-like--so to speak. Evolution requires energy, just like everything else. Conservation of energy is like a rutheless king over the universe. So essentially humans required X energy to get where we're. For other species to arrive at our place in evolution, they'd have to consume a similar amount of energy. This is ~ impossible in the span of time allotted and the circumstances which were available. It's still possible for the monkeys to evolve some of our traits, but it will require our intervention or otherwise our absence on this planet. If we intervene, we might engineer them or teach them or use them as slaves. If we leave Earth, other species will have access to the abundant energies we're presently consuming. Either way, nothing is magically free.

I forget the study name, but it found average people frequently ignore conservation of energy as a rule. Scientists, by contrast, recognize it. And that's only because they were dragged kicking and screaming to this realization.

And yet "monkeys" can do thigns, you know. They've worked hard to scavenge what they could. Tehre's recent evidence showing use of stone tools in some populations. In the past this was thought exclusively human.

If you don't believe just read:
www.bbc.com - Chimpanzees and monkeys have entered the Stone Age...

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: secretboss

Saying humans evolved from monkeys is like saying that Pugs evolved from Labradors.

That's not how it works, at all. Pugs and Labradors both evolved from prehistoric wolves. Just like humans and monkeys both evolved from a distant ancestor. We are technically apes, you know.

Baaaadd example. Dogs were directed in their development...by humans.

I recommend reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species. It will give you a better perspective on evolution. He talks about selective breeding to change a species, and he talks about how difficult it is to even define a species vs. a subspecies vs. a genus, especially in the plant world. You actually can watch evolution happen. It starts with individual differences. There are no sudden huge leaps of evolution (a human born with wings, for example) there is a sea of individual differences, and the differences that confer an advantage spread throughout the population, while the differences that create problems gradually disappear.

People mistakenly think that evolution is moving in a specific direction, that there is such a thing as "more evolved" or more "evolutionary advanced". There is no such thing. Every species is always evolving, much like every creature is either alive or dead. Every species is either evolving or extinct. If aspecies appears to be less intelligent, it's ponly because the species does not need intelligence to survive, or even to thrive. Clearly algae doesn't need intelligence, and it's found everywhere on earth that has pools or oceans of water. Algae is evolving and continues to evolve. There's very little to be gained from thinking of algae as less advanced. Instead evaluate it based on how successful it is as a species, how many individual algae are alive right now, and how many ecosystems can it inhabit? THAT is the mark of evolutionary success.

This post is why the world is scary = complete lack of scientific knowledge. I thought this was all taught in like the 5th grade! Anyways, if you ever do any advanced level education, basic 1st year community college level stuff, then this is a very useful graphic. It demonstrates divergent evolution. What that means is that just because a higher level ape or human evolves from a lower level does not mean the lower level ceases to exist. Now yes, sometimes the lower level becomes extinct, but nothing in evolution is instant or fast.

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originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: secretboss

Saying humans evolved from monkeys is like saying that Pugs evolved from Labradors.

That's not how it works, at all. Pugs and Labradors both evolved from prehistoric wolves. Just like humans and monkeys both evolved from a distant ancestor. We are technically apes, you know.

Baaaadd example. Dogs were directed in their development...by humans.

Which is still evolution. Explain how it is different. It is still random mutations (starting with the domestication), even if they are guided to be more probable.

It's such a great example of evolution because humanity guided their environment (to be the "fittest" in) which gave us an abbreviated evolutionary history that is well documented.

Wow, much (dumb) ignorance in this thread.

I looked at the OP and amount of posts they had, and called troll (to myself) straight away.

Also kudos to you Krazysh0t.

That is all.
Thanks

a reply to: secretboss

We didn't evolve from monkeys. We evolved from a genetic relative of them. Also, they do have primitive civilizations and social orders. The thing is, since our growth as the dominant species on this planet has happened, and we are all over the globe, destroying their habitats, they have been more concerned with survival than invention or art. We have observed possible proto-religious ceremonies in them and some exhibit a reverence for their dead. So yeah, they are moving along, it's just that A) evolution takes a stunningly long time and B) civilization doesn't spawn overnight.

A more extreme example, showing the evolution of all life:

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